Wayne Cubed Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 How late were they out? Police report says the incident happened between 11:30 PM and 12:42 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Police report says the incident happened between 11:30 PM and 12:42 AM How many times have you heard it, "Nothing good ever comes after 12:41 a.m." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Only if theyre black and in a hoody *stirs the pot* Only if they attack you first. Police report says the incident happened between 11:30 PM and 12:42 AM So then, the "it was dark" defense is in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 I suppose the question would be, is that from a punch? Or was Aaron trying to take a chair back and tried grabbing it and the "kid" didn't let go and there was a bit of back and forth and he got knocked in the face in the back forth struggle. Not saying the kid is lying but this whole account thus far is from him, after the fact. i agree. We only know one side of the story at this point. I'd expect him to plead not guilty and go for a plea deal. That is if he is formally charged, which hasn't been decided yet. The link I posted last night from Sal about the legal process in FL said there could be increased, decreased, or no charges coming after the case is reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 At the end of the day, Aaron Kromer and his son would have been better off going to see the Stones at the Ralph (no matter how this turns out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Check out my comedian friends write up of the Kromer saga on his comedy sports news site. HILARIOUS. http://dailyupperdecker.com/2015/07/buffalo-bills-offensive-line-coach-arrested-for-punching-kid-and-threatening-to-kill-his-family/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 i agree. We only know one side of the story at this point. I'd expect him to plead not guilty and go for a plea deal. That is if he is formally charged, which hasn't been decided yet. The link I posted last night from Sal about the legal process in FL said there could be increased, decreased, or no charges coming after the case is reviewed. I expect that he'll plead as well, just because it's likely to be a slap on the wrist . It's pretty much a slam dunk that he gave a minor a black eye, but stopping a group of thieves, on your property, in the middle of the night while using force that was not endangering anyone's life or risking serious injury is a pretty mitigating factor. The more I hear, the more Kromer seems sympathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 That is if he is formally charged, which hasn't been decided yet. It will be hard for a prosecutor to file on this with only hearsay allegations from the kids. An arrest in and of itself doesn't prove anything. Cops often arrest people just to diffuse situations knowing the person will be kicked shortly after they get through booking, as Kromer was. At this point, the only certainty is that the parents are lining up for a civil suit, which is as American as Apple Pie and Lipitor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 At this point, the only certainty is that the parents are lining up for a civil suit, which is as American as Apple Pie and Lipitor... My favorite take on that is "As American as apple pie and the childhood obesity it leads to" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 As I've said, I can only assume he thought Rapoport wouldn't use the story. Which was dumb admittedly. I doubt he ran to Rapoport so as to reveal it to the world. Are you kidding? Then you keep it off the record. These guys know how it works. He obviously wanted it out there that he was questioning Cutler's decision making so he could justify benching Cutler in favor of...Jimmy Clausen! Or the guy who tried to spin "deflate" as "losing weight." Although this is infinitely more plausible than that excuse was. You might be right. Most of these people guffawing at Kromer would be using every defense possible to get themselves out of a predicament like this. So much for giving people with no prior history of legal problems second chances. He will get a plea deal down from the misdemeanor battery. After getting dumped from that trainwreck of an offensive coaching staff in Chicago, Kromer got his second chance....from Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Grainy photos have emerged of Kromer and his son teaching Tom Gamboa not to mess with their beach chairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) It will be hard for a prosecutor to file on this with only hearsay allegations from the kids. An arrest in and of itself doesn't prove anything. Cops often arrest people just to diffuse situations knowing the person will be kicked shortly after they get through booking, as Kromer was. At this point, the only certainty is that the parents are lining up for a civil suit, which is as American as Apple Pie and Lipitor... They do it all the time--and it's obviously their allegations aren't "hearsay". One is an alleged victim. The others are witnesses. Edited July 13, 2015 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) They do it all the time--and it's obviously their allegations aren't "hearsay". One is an alleged victim. The others are witnesses. He said, she said. Prosecutors only bring slam dunks to trial and the word of three minors doesn't carry much water. Especially if Kromer brings his own, contradictory story line into the mix... http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150620/NEWS/150629947 Edited July 13, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 @RapSheet: #Bills OL coach Aaron Kromer was arrested last night and charged with battery with intent to cause bodily harm, per the Walton County Jail. He should be able to relate very well with some of the clowns we are bringing in here to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 the cops did say that the kid had visible swelling on one eye Well, I get visible swelling in my crotch from time to time. Maybe I should get a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Very wide right Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Well, I get visible swelling in my crotch from time to time. Maybe I should get a lawyer. Or a doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Well, I get visible swelling in my crotch from time to time. Maybe I should get a lawyer. Aaron Kromer punched you in the bagels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Or a doctor or a new hobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) He said, she said. Prosecutors only bring slam dunks to trial and the word of three minors doesn't carry much water. Especially if Kromer brings his own, contradictory story line into the mix... http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150620/NEWS/150629947 The poster said their account is "hearsay".. It's clearly not. And it's not about bringing cases to trial, it's about getting convictions--usually through plea deals. This will never go to court. Everyone knows it. The key here is Kromer's son. He saw it all. If these kids attacked his father, I doubt he would stick around to help them find their gear--unless he is ready to deny that. Edited July 13, 2015 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Check out my comedian friends write up of the Kromer saga on his comedy sports news site. HILARIOUS. http://dailyupperdecker.com/2015/07/buffalo-bills-offensive-line-coach-arrested-for-punching-kid-and-threatening-to-kill-his-family/ Now....that is some funny ****!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 He said, she said. Prosecutors only bring slam dunks to trial and the word of three minors doesn't carry much water. Especially if Kromer brings his own, contradictory story line into the mix... http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150620/NEWS/150629947 I agree. Kromer probably wants this over with as quickly and quietly as possible for his career's sake. Few prosecutors are going to take a hard line for a misdemeanor offense when the defense is "It was dark, and there were people on my property and they were stealing/defacing my furniture. They'd done it before. So I lost my temper and hit one. What was I supposed to do, let them rob me while I wait for the cops to roll up an hour later so they can file a report under "Let's go and work on important cases"?" I'm not saying that is the case, but I doubt you can get 12 jurors to completely disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Bobby Carpenter on our local radio show said he was staying 2 miles from where this happened last week. He said the way it works is you pay for a set of chairs for each week (?) and using other people's chairs is like stealing. Not that it justifies kromer punching the person but whatever. He also said he knows him well and when asked if he could see him doing something like this he said "yes" and laughed. Not that it means anything, just an anecdote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I agree. Kromer probably wants this over with as quickly and quietly as possible for his career's sake. Few prosecutors are going to take a hard line for a misdemeanor offense when the defense is "It was dark, and there were people on my property and they were stealing/defacing my furniture. They'd done it before. So I lost my temper and hit one. What was I supposed to do, let them rob me while I wait for the cops to roll up an hour later so they can file a report under "Let's go and work on important cases"?" I'm not saying that is the case, but I doubt you can get 12 jurors to completely disagree. You're hired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Where's Willie "Mayberry" Meggs when you need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Are you kidding? Then you keep it off the record. These guys know how it works. He obviously wanted it out there that he was questioning Cutler's decision making so he could justify benching Cutler in favor of...Jimmy Clausen! You might be right. He will get a plea deal down from the misdemeanor battery. After getting dumped from that trainwreck of an offensive coaching staff in Chicago, Kromer got his second chance....from Rex. I assume he thought it would be off the record. But looking to put it out there to bench Cutler for Jimmy Clausen? Seriously? And the guy is not an OC. Although Cutler didn't do him any favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The poster said their account is "hearsay".. It's clearly not. And it's not about bringing cases to trial, it's about getting convictions--usually through plea deals. This will never go to court. Everyone knows it. The key here is Kromer's son. He saw it all. If these kids attacked his father, I doubt he would stick around to help them find their gear--unless he is ready to deny that. Why? Chances are high that both sides were very wrong, and Kromer's kid was trying to diffuse the part where they may go to the cops because his dad punched one and may have threatened him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 In the 24 hours since this story broke I've come to the conclusion I don't really care whether this guy is coaching the Bills' OL or not -- but I keep coming back for the jokes. It's not like our blocking can get any worse, so no big deal, right? haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sometimes reading these threads is like listening to my mom's bridge group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The poster said their account is "hearsay".. It's clearly not. How so? How are the statements of three minors going to pass the "reasonable doubt" threshold to make this worth prosecuting? “The police are looking at cases based upon probable cause, which is a lesser standard than is used at trial. That standard is reasonable doubt and is much higher and one that has been used since the beginning of the criminal justice system,” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 How so? How are the statements of three minors going to pass the "reasonable doubt" threshold to make this worth prosecuting? The police are looking at cases based upon probable cause, which is a lesser standard than is used at trial. That standard is reasonable doubt and is much higher and one that has been used since the beginning of the criminal justice system, That's not the definition of hearsay. Also...the statements of the minors - and everyone else - were redacted from the police report. We have one statement, from the arresting officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I assume he thought it would be off the record. But looking to put it out there to bench Cutler for Jimmy Clausen? Seriously? And the guy is not an OC. Although Cutler didn't do him any favors. There is no way he didn't know it would be printed. They were going to bench Cutler for Clausen. There is no other reason to undercut Cutler to the press. No, he's no OC, for sure. And is there evidence that he's a top O-line coach? Why? Chances are high that both sides were very wrong, and Kromer's kid was trying to diffuse the part where they may go to the cops because his dad punched one and may have threatened him. "Did your father push this kid down and punch him in the face and then threaten to kill his family if he went to the cops?" If he says yes, yes and yes, it's case closed, I would think. The proscecutor (no grand jury here) doesn't care if these kids were scarfing Kromer's rented beach chairs. No one has leaked any arguement of self defense, so this is simple battery. That's not the definition of hearsay. Also...the statements of the minors - and everyone else - were redacted from the police report. We have one statement, from the arresting officer. As Tom says, their account cannot be considered hearsay--they were there to give frist hand accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 There is no way he didn't know it would be printed. They were going to bench Cutler for Clausen. There is no other reason to undercut Cutler to the press. No, he's no OC, for sure. And is there evidence that he's a top O-line coach? guys like bushrod, evans, carl nicks, goodwin, strief, etc... reflect pretty well on the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 As Tom says, their account cannot be considered hearsay--they were there to give frist hand accounts. OK. Semantics (and technical letter of the law definitions) aside, how much weight do statements from three minors (who may or may not be credible witnesses) have in meeting a "burden of proof" prosecutorial threshold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 guys like bushrod, evans, carl nicks, goodwin, strief, etc... reflect pretty well on the guy. They have been as good since he left. Also, the Bills are the 4th team he has been O-line coach for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in Pasadena Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sometimes reading these threads is like listening to my mom's bridge group. They must have a very strange bidding convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) They have been as good since he left. Also, the Bills are the 4th team he has been O-line coach for. they have all been mid to late round draft picks when he started. and evans has struggled, nicks was a massive flop in tampa and is out of the league, goodwin didnt play well particularly well when he went to SF, bushrod followed him to chicago..... so.... i know you can do better than that. also the bills are only the second team he has held that title, though he was OC in chicago and asst offensive line in oakland and tampa i believe. Edited July 13, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 OK. Semantics (and technical letter of the law definitions) aside, how much weight do statements from three minors (who may or may not be credible witnesses) have in meeting a "burden of proof" prosecutorial threshold? One of the kids has a shiner. Unless Kromer can credibly say he was defending himself (or unless someone can successfully cripple the credibility of 3 witnesses and conclude the kid was never hit by Kroemr), the burden of proof (Any actual and intentional touching or striking of another person against that person's will (non-consensual), or. The intentional causing of bodily harm to another person) for the charge has been met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Just F5ing waiting for the thread title to read ; fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 they have all been mid to late round draft picks when he started. and evans has struggled, nicks was a massive flop in tampa and is out of the league, goodwin didnt play well particularly well when he went to SF, bushrod followed him to chicago..... so.... i know you can do better than that. also the bills are only the second team he has held that title, though he was OC in chicago and asst offensive line in oakland and tampa i believe. His own wiki lists him as O-line coach for Raiders 2002-4. He was also hired as "offensive line coach and offensive coordinator" for the Bears when he got there in 2013, later handing over O-line duties to Pat Meyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 His own wiki lists him as O-line coach for Raiders 2002-4. He was also hired as "offensive line coach and offensive coordinator" for the Bears when he got there in 2013, later handing over O-line duties to Pat Meyer. Didn't the raiders go to the Superbowl in 2002? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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