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33 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Voting rights have, generally, been expanding in our country. Age, sex and race are all barriers than have fallen in the last century. Guns did not play a role in expanding those rights 

 

 

You're an idiot.

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Virginia is for Idiots. 
 

On Friday, the Democratic-majority Virginia General Assembly voted to implement a gun ban for the Pocahontas Building and the Capitol, effective immediately. That meant as employees arrived for work as usual Monday morning, they were met with a huge line as they had to pass through metal detectors and be patted down. Even those with concealed carry permits are prohibited from entering the buildings with a firearm.

 

 

 

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On 1/7/2020 at 2:44 PM, LeviF91 said:

 

The Black Panthers would like to have a word with you. 

 

In any case, you're missing the forest for the trees.  Armed resistance is what gave us back the right to self-government that had been trampled on via tyranny.

He isn't missing anything.  He is dishonest, period.  The argument is logical and right in his face.

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First “red flag” gun confiscation request denied in Colorado

Hot Air, by Jazz Shaw

 

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On January 1st, Colorado’s new “red flag” gun confiscation law went into effect. This hasn’t resulted in the immediate stampede of requests that some gun owners feared, but there have been a handful of them processed already. Three such requests, including two in Denver, were approved. A fourth request coming from the town of Limon in Lincoln County, however, was denied by the judge hearing the petition. This represents the first such denial of a red flag complaint against a gun owner in the state. (CBS Denver)

A judge denied a woman’s request to take away a man’s guns under Colorado’s new “Red Flag” law. The Limon woman claimed the man, who she had a relationship with, had threatened her with a gun.

Since the law took effect, the Red Flag law has had many gun owners seeing red. At least four requests have been filed since the first of the year; two in Denver, one in Larimer and one in Lincoln County.

Many gun owners, like Jak Gruenberg, despise it.

“Red flag laws just allow for harassment of legal gun owners,” he said.

 

Colorado’s new law faced a lot of opposition compared to some other states where such laws have been enacted. It’s not as broad in scope as the ones in New York and the District of Columbia, for example. Requests for gun confiscations can only come from law enforcement, family members of the gun owner or people “in a relationship” with them. That last category brought up the original issue in this case.

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CITIZENS, YOU CAN’T CARRY LEGAL FIREARMS HERE — THIS IS A SECOND AMENDMENT RALLY! 

 

Virginia Governor to Declare State Emergency to Prevent Lawful Carry at 2A Rally.

 

 

 

 

WHAT ABOUT BLACKFACE? 

 

AP EXCLUSIVE: Northam to ban guns from Capitol grounds. 

 

“Fearing a repeat of the deadly violence that engulfed Charlottesville more than two years ago, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam plans to declare a temporary emergency Wednesday banning all weapons, including guns, from Capitol Square ahead of a massive rally planned next week over gun rights.”

 

Dishonest as usual. The Charlottesville event wasn’t about gun rights, and the violence involved a car being driven into a crowd, not guns. In fact, the gun-toting militia members doing crowd control got higher marks from observers — even the Huffington Post — than did the Charlottesville Police, who funneled two opposing groups into one another as if they were trying to provoke violence.

 

I suspect that Northam is trying to provoke violence here, too, just as Nancy Pelosi did when she carried her gavel through a crowd of Tea Party protesters.

 
 
 
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4 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, is it really going to be a bad ending?

time will certainly tell, won't it?

 

though we do have some sort of sense of how these things turn out such as in cities that have strict gun laws like Chicago.

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6 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Eh, is it really going to be a bad ending?

 

 

It might.

 

It is a rally ABOUT our gun rights, certainly several citizens are going to challenge the governor's ludicrous "emergency" bullspit.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

It might.

 

It is a rally ABOUT our gun rights, certainly several citizens are going to challenge the governor's ludicrous "emergency" bullspit.

 

 

 

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And they will go to jail. Right wing terrorism must be met with jail time 

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West Virginia Lawmakers Invite Virginia Counties Fed Up With Gun Control to Secede

... The group of 20 West Virginia Republicans, and one Independent, introducing the resolution said in the proposal that Virginia lawmakers have repudiated “the counsel of that tribune of liberty, Patrick Henry-who stated to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 that ‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.'”

 

“[T]he government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of [Virginia,]” the proposal reads.

 

If it passes, the Virginia General Assembly would need to approve the resolution as well, and hold an election prior to August 1, 2020 allowing residents in Virginia counties to vote on whether they’d like to join West Virginia. ...

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31 minutes ago, Foxx said:

West Virginia Lawmakers Invite Virginia Counties Fed Up With Gun Control to Secede

... The group of 20 West Virginia Republicans, and one Independent, introducing the resolution said in the proposal that Virginia lawmakers have repudiated “the counsel of that tribune of liberty, Patrick Henry-who stated to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 that ‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.'”

 

“[T]he government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of [Virginia,]” the proposal reads.

 

If it passes, the Virginia General Assembly would need to approve the resolution as well, and hold an election prior to August 1, 2020 allowing residents in Virginia counties to vote on whether they’d like to join West Virginia. ...

 

I would vote yes

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49 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

We have Amber Alerts, why not have #orangemanbad alerts

 

Yeah, but I really don't need an "alert" every day informing me that Trump's morning bowel movement is an existential threat to American democracy.

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3 hours ago, Foxx said:

 

 

I patroned this bill in 2012 so that no one could declare an emergency in an effort to prohibit citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Signed into law 3/1/2012

 

 

Phhttttt !! Since when does a democrat have to follow the law ?

 

Besides, didn't you hear ? Citizens gathering to protest gun laws are just right-wing terrorists............ 

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See that map up there? The counties or cities that have county like status in the Commonwealth of Virginia in various shades of green have passed “second amendment sanctuary status” laws.  Those in yellow are in the process of passing them. The four spots in grey are where they failed. Yes, there are four, but you gotta look real close to see two of them. Oh, and the little spots in red are where no action has been taken.

 

What’s caused all of this? Well, let me tell you.  

 

First, there’s a law being proposed that would ban the purchase of Semi-automatic Firearms.  Whether or not you would be allowed to keep the guns you already own is still being debated. If you are allowed to keep them you would have to register them. (history has shown that when you register them, a new law within five years WILL require that you turn them in.  It’s happened literally everywhere that this has been done.) The way the law is written a lot of handguns, possibly including most handguns used as issue weapons by police departments all over the world would be illegal.

 

Additional laws being considered would make the purchase of a magazine holding more than ten rounds illegal, raising the age to buy a firearm to 21, banning “binary” triggers (this is a drop in replacement trigger on AR and AK style weapons that allows a rapid second shot, by firing the weapon once on depressing the trigger, and a second time when you release the trigger.  They have been identified as legal by the BATFE boys) banning outdoor ranges, and any range not run by the state… and the list goes on.

 

The resolutions are county governments saying “we’re not going to enforce these laws”.  Which doesn’t mean the state can’t send in the state police, or as at least some lawmakers have threatened, send in the National Guard. 

 

Well, here’s the thing.  Most of these laws or variations of them are already the law of the land, in California, New York, or both.  They are backed by organizations run by Mr. Bloomberg, who is a former Mayor of NYC, a candidate running for the Democratic nomination for President, and is and has been one of the richest and loudest members of the Anti-Firearm movement in the United States.  He seems to think that because it has been pulled off successfully (so far) in CA and NY, he can now take it up and down the coasts. (My home state of Washington is currently seeing some of the same proposals show up, some of them even worded identically) 

 

Trouble is, VA isn’t NY, and WA isn’t CA.  New York and California have a much higher ratio of urban and immigrant to Rural and multigenerational American than any of the other states we could look at.  

 

Look, ignoring everything else, the laws they’re proposing aren’t going to make anyone safer in any meaningful way. If you want to look at a really great Data Geek’s data geek report on it, see  https://www.waguncontrol.org/articles/an-honest-conversation-about-assault-weapons-bans?fbclid=IwAR1ckHrM6lkcye-N9WF4dz9CmF-ecPBo7v14yeoiHmTAxiP2Hd-1qwei4d4  The article (until the last paragraph) doesn’t address the second amendment at all, but merely looks at the statistics on crime, to examine “what tools are being used to hurt people” and how often. 

 

 

Because of this swing to Democrat by the state, they (the elected officials) seemed to think that they finally had a mandate for their agenda. Go back to the top of this article and look at the map again.  I’m thinking they’re wrong.

 

Once it’s a law, the SCOTUS can step in and say “nope, that’s in violation of the constitution” and the Commonwealth Supreme Court can do the same, because their constitution also makes allowing the public to keep and bear arms a central part of their laws. 

 

Of course, the problem with that, is first the law has to pass, and then someone has to take it to court.  Meanwhile, the elected officials just changed the law on recall elections to make it significantly harder to do a recall, and changed the laws on hearings to require that the attendees be evenly split on both sides of the issue.  This has led to literally hundreds of pro gunners standing outside, while anti gunners are escorted past them into the hearing room, so that we have even numbers of people from each side of the issue.

 

All of this has made for some VERY pissed off Virginians. A LOT of very pissed off Virginians.  We have seen a couple of times in the history of this nation what that looks like. Governor Northam I beg you, on bent knee, step back.  Do not walk off this cliff. You may get the laws you want passed, but there’s a lot of good ol’ boys out there that are not going to wait for the Supremes to weigh in on the issue. Sir you are a graduate of VMI for Gods’ sakes, I know they taught you some history.  People are coming into your state from everywhere in the union to be part of this. IT WILL NOT GO WELL! This will go to insurrection if it’s attempted to be enforced.

 

To the various supreme courts involved: I beg you, if these laws pass, for the love of law, and the love of our nation, grant an immediate injunction stopping the enforcement until the laws make their way through the appeals system.  Once the first attempts to enforce a confiscation law goes down it will be too late. The first one, or maybe two will go just fine, especially if it’s done in secret, but after that I expect a massacre, based on an ambush of law enforcement by citizens, followed by a mess that will make the Watts riots, or the Detroit riots in the 60s look like a sandbox fight between toddlers.

 

We stand on a precipice. The nation is divided almost straight down the middle on this.  

 

Both sides are sure within their echo chambers that they will win, and the hotheads on both sides are eager to start the fight.  If the fight starts, it’s WAY too easy to envision it going national. Both sides are wrong. No one wins a civil war, and the nation that comes out of it will not look anything like the nation that went into it.

 

The citizens will not blink and are not bluffing.

 

 

MORE AT THE LINK: https://thehashtag.us/ever-feel-like-custer/?fbclid=IwAR3ap1oAcYqkA3hrNoRLasZeQmJgmXDbopSp1rp42m3oayCgCau3nj7jewY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So let's see if I have this straight:

 

Virginia legislators and governor introduce a ton of gun-grabbing bull####.  Citizens of the Commonwealth are like "uh no, and we're voting you all out next chance we get."

 

So the government responds by introducing a bill eliminating voter ID.

 

So the citizens go, well ***** that, we're going to petition your removal from office by collecting the signatures of 10% of the prevailing vote.

 

So they introduce a bill raising the amount of signatures needed from 10% to 25%.

 

The government does whatever it wants and it won't let them vote them out of office or remove them from office, AND takes away their ability to arm a militia to force them out of office.

 

If that's not tyranny, I don't know what is.

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On 1/15/2020 at 5:52 PM, Foxx said:

West Virginia Lawmakers Invite Virginia Counties Fed Up With Gun Control to Secede

... The group of 20 West Virginia Republicans, and one Independent, introducing the resolution said in the proposal that Virginia lawmakers have repudiated “the counsel of that tribune of liberty, Patrick Henry-who stated to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788 that ‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.'”

 

“[T]he government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of [Virginia,]” the proposal reads.

 

If it passes, the Virginia General Assembly would need to approve the resolution as well, and hold an election prior to August 1, 2020 allowing residents in Virginia counties to vote on whether they’d like to join West Virginia. ...

Why, it IS almost heaven, West Virginia. 

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