What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[The_Dude]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Of course that's not what he said. At. All. 

 

But that's the spin... so I guess it's the same thing in today's world. 

 

He said he’d ‘have gone in there,’ and that’s a freaking lie. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

He said he’d ‘have gone in there,’ and that’s a freaking lie. 

 

Again, that's not what he said. 

Quote

"You know I really believe, you don't know until you're tested, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would've done that too,"

 

 

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Again, that's not what he said. 

"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Mr Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/43202075

 

youll have to forgive me as I wasn’t a fly on the wall, but I did read about it. A bit brash for the coward of the country, don’t ya think?

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Mr Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/43202075

 

youll have to forgive me as I wasn’t a fly on the wall, but I did read about it. A bit brash for the coward of the country, don’t ya think?

 

You left out the key part. 

 

But you don't get a cute sound byte and insult if you leave that bit out.

[The_Dude]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Again, that's not what he said. 

 

 

 

Thats such BS....’you don’t know till tested.’ BS. And Trump said he would have went in without a weapon. 

 

And my interpretation is inline with the BBC’s so I’d say I’m a pretty good reader, and I’ve heard they’ve got some readers at the BBC, so I’m just gonna have to dispute your argument on semantics. Cheers. 

Edited February 26, 2018 by The_Dude

[Deranged Rhino]

 

"You know I really believe, you don't know until you're tested, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would've done that too,"

Just now, The_Dude said:

 

 

Thats such BS....’you don’t know till tested.’ BS. And Trump said he would have went in without a weapon. 

 

When you misquote someone to fit your joke, BS tends to be the result. 

[Azalin]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

"I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon," Mr Trump told a group of state governors gathered at the White House.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/43202075

 

youll have to forgive me as I wasn’t a fly on the wall, but I did read about it. A bit brash for the coward of the country, don’t ya think?

 

"I think most of the people in this room would have done that, too," said Mr Trump on Monday of his assertion that he would have rushed into the school.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/43202075

 

There you go, pal - there's the rest of the quote for ya'. I found it in the same article, too.

 

 

 

[The_Dude]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

"You know I really believe, you don't know until you're tested, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would've done that too,"

 

When you misquote someone to fit your joke, BS tends to be the result. 

 

Those damn Brits!

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

"You know I really believe, you don't know until you're tested, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon and I think most of the people in this room would've done that too,"

 

When you misquote someone to fit your joke, BS tends to be the result. 

 

I agree with that completely. Look, I despise Trump but I’ve defended him from that kind of buffoonery many times because it happens often. 

 

First, can I definitively prove Trump wouldn’t have gone in there like the Duke, but I do think it’s mockable coming from him. First, it’s a ridiculous statement for a POTUS to say. He was in official capacity and talking like he was at a bar with guys, 6 drinks in. Think of how hard it’s is for foreigners to translate that nonsense — most of what he says loses any coherent meaning when one does so, but sometimes he’s quite incoherent. Nevertheless, he’s right on some issues and he does get unfair press treatment. 

 

This is however, is one of them times Trump said something while holding a sign saying “kick me.” That was a stupid comment. His inability to not say stupid things leads people to have no faith in his communication skills and that’s kind of an important thing to have as POTUS, I think. 

 

[Cugalabanza]

46 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Then perhaps this is more your speed.

 

Ok, it’s clear now, the guitar dorks are just as dorky as the gun dorks.

[LA Grant]

On 8/21/2014 at 12:44 PM, LABillzFan said:

You're arguing that if more people in Ferguson had guns, morepeople would have been killed over the weekend.

 

Chicago has, far and away, the strictest gun laws in the country, and routinely has more shootings, murders and youth killings every weekend than virtually other city in the country.

 

People with guns isn't the problem. The wrong people with guns is the problem.

 

Bolded is correct. Specific bans don't work, for a variety of reasons. Chicago bears that out. But the argument that Chicago has more gun violence because of ban laws is not true.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

 

The correct answer is universal background checks & registration across the board to weed out more of the wrong people.

Edited February 27, 2018 by LA Grant

[Azalin]

6 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Bolded is correct. Specific bans don't work, for a variety of reasons. Chicago bears that out. But the argument that Chicago has more gun violence because of ban laws is not true.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

 

The correct answer is universal background checks & registration across the board to weed out more of the wrong people.

 

Are you really going to use universal background checks and registration in an effort to reduce gun crime in Chicago, a place where the vast majority of crimes committed using firearms involve stolen and black market weapons?

[LA Grant]

1 hour ago, Azalin said:

Are you really going to use universal background checks and registration in an effort to reduce gun crime in Chicago, a place where the vast majority of crimes committed using firearms involve stolen and black market weapons?

 

Yes. Chicago proves the point. Specific bans don't work because, as you point out, the guns are coming in from too many other sources. Across state lines. On craigslist. Indiana is a huge supplier of legal guns that become murder weapons. To have any chance of fighting the black market, you have to stop feeding it. There needs to be a consistent, rigid system in place to weed out the bad guys from the good guys, and it needs to be across the board. 

 

Let's say — put it on the books, universal, give it 10 years. And let's see what the data suggests. If it does nothing, then fine. We tried. You win. Sorry about that. Everyone gets 10 free guns on us as reparations. But if the data suggests that these measures do drastically reduce the mass shootings, and the lives of Lawful Gun Owners are virtually identical to the way it was before, then hey, congrats to the graduating class of 2029 on everyone surviving HS. 

Edited February 27, 2018 by LA Grant

[Azalin]

5 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Yes. Chicago proves the point. Specific bans don't work because, as you point out, the guns are coming in from too many other sources. Across state lines. On craigslist. Indiana is a huge supplier of legal guns that become murder weapons. To have any chance of fighting the black market, you have to stop feeding it. There needs to be a consistent, rigid system in place to weed out the bad guys from the good guys, and it needs to be across the board. 

 

Let's say — put it on the books, universal, give it 10 years. And let's see what the data suggests. If it does nothing, then fine. We tried. You win. Sorry about that. Everyone gets 10 free guns on us as reparations. But if the data suggests that these measures do drastically reduce the mass shootings, and the lives of Lawful Gun Owners are virtually identical to the way it was before, then hey, congrats to the graduating class of 2029 on everyone surviving HS. 

 

And if we ever were to completely stop the manufacture and sale of these weapons, how would we then stop them from being smuggled into the country? The Chinese alone have a massive knock-off industry , let alone all the the other countries from around the world with their own firearm manufacturers. There are an awful lot of these military grade semiautomatic weapons besides just the ARs in production around the world, and I think it's unrealistic to think we can stop them from making their way into places like Chicago by doing nothing more than extending the range of an already existent ban on their ownership.

[B-Man]

4 killed, 21 wounded in shootings across Chicago since Friday night Chicago Sun-Times Wire (IL), by Staff

Original Article

[B-Man]

Matt Walsh..............GOOD QUESTION:

 

Why Does The Media Care More About The Parkland Shooting Than It Ever Did About Las Vegas?

 

“You might speculate that the media has found Parkland to be more politically useful due to the anti-gun activism from some of the survivors.

 

You might speculate that the media simply had less sympathy for the Vegas victims because they were white country music fans.

 

You might speculate that there are some very powerful forces — Vegas hotels and casinos, namely — interested in burying the Vegas shooting.

 

You might speculate that the unanswered questions just made the story too difficult for our lazy and apathetic society to track.

 

You might come up with a more conspiratorial explanation than any of these I’ve listed.”

[row_33]

Maybe the attention span of the media is a picosecond?

 

On to the next new thing...

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

7 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Maybe the attention span of the media is a picosecond?

 

On to the next new thing...

 

 

 

That's a valid point under normal circumstances - but Vegas was squashed from the news cycle by numerous forces converging at once. That's not the normal case of the media moving on to the next squirrel sighting. 

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's a valid point under normal circumstances - but Vegas was squashed from the news cycle by numerous forces converging at once. That's not the normal case of the media moving on to the next squirrel sighting. 

 

I hate to say that it seems there's a new shooting every week....

 

 

[B-Man]

 

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RBe‏ @RBPundit 3h3 hours ago

 

One of the funniest parts about the "the founders never intended for regular people to have guns" is that it requires completely ignoring the 1800s.

 

 

 

Man armed with AR-15 stops stabbing attack by neighbor in Oswego

http://wgntv.com/2018/02/27/man-armed-with-ar-15-stops-attack-by-neighbor-in-oswego/

 

 

 

 

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Edited February 27, 2018 by B-Man

[Deranged Rhino]