CSBill Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) I said this last week, and I'm so mad this week I even took the time to learn his name. It's time to let Danny Crossman go. Last week a stupid decision cost us a game, and it almost happened again. The words, "Over Coaching" come to mind here, just kick it through the end zone make them have to earn every inch. I realize there is another thread that has an ancillary connection to this, but this issue is so huge it deserves it's own attention. Marrone, you've had the b@%#$ to dump your Punter, your starting Left Guard, now it's time to show your truly a leader and hold your coaching staff just as accountable. And if you won't do it, time for Whaley to step in and take charge. And by the way, would love to hear one of the team reporters ask about this. Edited October 20, 2013 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I'm concerned about this play as well, but how do you know at this stage that it was called this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 +1 He is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 + 1 Don't hire your friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 OK, Marrone just clarified that that was not the call on the last kick. Bad thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 OK, Marrone just clarified that that was not the call on the last kick. Bad thread. Still p*ss poor coverage. I'm not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 OK, Marrone just clarified that that was not the call on the last kick. Bad thread. regardless, still time to get rid of him . . . and I would bet Marrone is just covering for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 OK, Marrone just clarified that that was not the call on the last kick. Bad thread. Still a poor coach that many of us were upset with the hire of- and I don't think he's proven that wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 OK, Marrone just clarified that that was not the call on the last kick. Bad thread. Miami nearly took it to the house. But thanks to our kicker, he was slowed and stopped. Still a bad thread, Danny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 what's "Offer Coaching"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share Posted October 20, 2013 what's "Offer Coaching"? fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebes Bubble Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 The words, "Over Coaching" come to mind here, just kick it through the end zone make them have to earn every inch. I'm not arguing with getting rid of Crossman, but Carpenter has proven he does not have the leg to do this consistently. Buffalo is in the lower portion of the league for kickoff touchbacks. Don't you think he would be asked to do this every time if he could manage it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 fixed i should have figured that out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 regardless, still time to get rid of him . . . and I would bet Marrone is just covering for him Marrone said he doesn't lie though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 there´s a history here with SPT coaches. right, wade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 regardless, still time to get rid of him . . . and I would bet Marrone is just covering for him Carpenter covering for him too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) If it was a called kick Marrone either made the call or was aware of it bc that kind of call doesn't happen at the end of the game without the head coaches knowledge Edited October 20, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leper65 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Still a poor coach that many of us were upset with the hire of- and I don't think he's proven that wrong. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Carpenter had been kicking them all through the end zone. I'm assuming the call was to do it again and he just came up a little short. I would've been pissed if they did the squib kick and gave them the ball at the 30. What did you think Crossman should've called there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'm not arguing with getting rid of Crossman, but Carpenter has proven he does not have the leg to do this consistently. Buffalo is in the lower portion of the league for kickoff touchbacks. Don't you think he would be asked to do this every time if he could manage it? He seemed to be doing it all game, up until that final kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 +1 He is awful Worse than awful. He'll be fired at seasons end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Worse than awful. He'll be fired at seasons end Look on the brightside, he's gotten worse with time with all his previous jobs. We may get to see some real interesting stuff by that point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) At least he made the tackle. Phew! @ChrisBrownBills Carpenter’s last kickoff not what he wanted http://wp.me/plmrg-8Yt Edited October 21, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 BTW, Thigpen's knee was down at the 33-yard line after Carpenter's tackle. Should have been reviewed upstairs but wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario's Fridge Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) http://espn.go.com/n...osition/defense If you are going to complain about our kickoff coverage, at least know that it's 5th best in the NFL right now. Punts are 5th worst, though. Edited October 21, 2013 by Mario's Fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Cut that meat, cut that meat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 http://espn.go.com/n...osition/defense If you are going to complain about our kickoff coverage, at least know that it's 5th best in the NFL right now. Punts are 5th worst, though. As Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Sometimes you need to trust your eyes over the stats sheet. And what we have seen in the last two weeks is all the evidence I need: When the game was on the line in two straight games, the kick coverage units 1) did cost us a game last week, and 2) almost did it again this week. Moreover, throw in the Cleveland game for exhibit "B." A case could be made for pinning a lose on the kick coverage teams for two games, and almost a 3rd . . . and we've only played 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKelso'sHelmet Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Crossman stands right next to Marrone the whole game and they are constantly talking. As another poster said, they are clearly close friends with a long history. His special teams units are consistently bad and he needs to do a better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 A reminder - if you look at the buffalo noews piece today, the kick was intended to be deep in or out of the end zone. Carpenter made a bad kick, and it wasn't planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdub Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) BTW, Thigpen's knee was down at the 33-yard line after Carpenter's tackle. Should have been reviewed upstairs but wasn't. I was surprised...and a little furious that this wasn't looked at. I'm thinking that Marrone called the timeout afterwards to give the booth more time to look at it...still didn't get a challenge. Edited October 21, 2013 by kdub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 A reminder - if you look at the buffalo noews piece today, the kick was intended to be deep in or out of the end zone. Carpenter made a bad kick, and it wasn't planned. I'll say again, even without that call his résumé hasn't been great here or the last decade. Odds are we are seeing his absolute best right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If you listen to carpenter postgame you'll know what happened. It's not on a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 After seeing the New England player that got the penalty on the last play of the Jets game blatantly lie to protect the coaches I have to wonder if Carpenter is lying. The New England guy said he decided out of the blue to push the other guy up the middle to disrupt the kick and wasn't coached to do that? BS! You could tell that was a play they practiced many times and thought they were getting away with it on a technicality because the rule states that a 2nd line player can't push someone up the middle but the NE coaches were counting on the refs not calling it because it was another lineman doing the pushing. With Carpenter's kick watch the tape. It looks like he takes something off it and tries to kick it high and short. He didn't drive it like he usually does. I bet they wanted it returned to run some time off the clock and it backfired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paupmvp1995 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 After seeing the New England player that got the penalty on the last play of the Jets game blatantly lie to protect the coaches I have to wonder if Carpenter is lying. The New England guy said he decided out of the blue to push the other guy up the middle to disrupt the kick and wasn't coached to do that? BS! You could tell that was a play they practiced many times and thought they were getting away with it on a technicality because the rule states that a 2nd line player can't push someone up the middle but the NE coaches were counting on the refs not calling it because it was another lineman doing the pushing. With Carpenter's kick watch the tape. It looks like he takes something off it and tries to kick it high and short. He didn't drive it like he usually does. I bet they wanted it returned to run some time off the clock and it backfired Our kickoff coverage has been awesome all season. A high shorter kick around the goal line, and Easley gets down there and nails Thigpen inside the 15 is what they were probably trying to do. And it would run some clock. Instead the coverage on one side did not stay in their lanes and gave him the outside. Made for a very stressful ending. That being said, Carpenter is light years better than Lindell was. He could be here for a long time. A GREAT pickup by the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I hate trying to get a guy fired but STs has be a huge question mark and the least impressive unit on the team. If it doesn't improve, it should definitely be reviewed after the season. But how do you fire your good friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 You guys are forgetting how a ST coach gets fired. It goes like this: 1) Major personnel change (Powell cut--check) 2) head coach defends ST coach 3) more starters are committed to ST unit 4) FO exerts pressure 5) ST coach fired we're only at step 2 in the cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I said this last week, and I'm so mad this week I even took the time to learn his name. It's time to let Danny Crossman go. Last week a stupid decision cost us a game, and it almost happened again. The words, "Over Coaching" come to mind here, just kick it through the end zone make them have to earn every inch. I realize there is another thread that has an ancillary connection to this, but this issue is so huge it deserves it's own attention. Marrone, you've had the b@%#$ to dump your Punter, your starting Left Guard, now it's time to show your truly a leader and hold your coaching staff just as accountable. And if you won't do it, time for Whaley to step in and take charge. And by the way, would love to hear one of the team reporters ask about this. Carpenter said the plan was to kick out of the endzone. He said he missed it and it was a bad kick. Why fire a coach because of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 He sucked in Detroit & his record & stats proved it & he still sucks in B/Lo !! Bad hire !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Still waiting for a big return from McKelvin and/or Goodwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I said this last week, and I'm so mad this week I even took the time to learn his name. It's time to let Danny Crossman go. Last week a stupid decision cost us a game, and it almost happened again. The words, "Over Coaching" come to mind here, just kick it through the end zone make them have to earn every inch. I realize there is another thread that has an ancillary connection to this, but this issue is so huge it deserves it's own attention. Marrone, you've had the b@%#$ to dump your Punter, your starting Left Guard, now it's time to show your truly a leader and hold your coaching staff just as accountable. And if you won't do it, time for Whaley to step in and take charge. And by the way, would love to hear one of the team reporters ask about this. I got on this bus after the Browns game. He should have never been hired in the first place. Just looked up the stats... We're 28th best in kick return average. 12th best in punt return average. 7th best in kick return coverage. 28th best in punt return coverage. Our average ranking for these ST units is about 19 of 32. We're a bit below league average but not as much as I had guessed. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/yardsPerPuntReturn/position/defense/order/false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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