Bills 2010 Draft... really terrible

[Ramius]

I can't imagine you really believe that.

 

What i was referring to is that Bill's been on a "ralph made the pick just to sell jerseys" rant since that draft. That's what he's delusional about. I'm actually agreeing with you in that the Spiller pick was made mainly by Gailey, who made it plain as day he wanted a "waterbug" back to boost the offense.

 

It just so happened that the best player left on the board in round 1 matched with this perceived need. Hence the reason he was selected. Much like Cordy Glenn in round 2 of this past year.

Edited August 25, 2012 by Ramius

[spartacus]

These guys are all still young....and you guage successful drafts by how many starters you are able to put out on the field

 

- There has been no indication that Aaron Williams is losing his job.....only that he might be getting pushed by even better draft selections. To take a 6' 200 pound plus corner is was rated as a 1st round pick int the 2nd is not a bad selection. To be faire to Willaims he started off bad but got better as training camp went on.

 

- There has been no indication that Shep has lost his starting MLB job yet with the exception that Morrison is getting reps at MLB.....Morrison could frankly be on the bubble and they are trying to see if his versitility will allow him to stay on the team. Its way too early for this.

 

- The ONLY reason way Searcy is not starting is because we have two of the best safeties in the league....PERIOD. The bills love this guy.....and keep in mind that your going to be seeing more then 2 safeties on the field at a time due to defensive packages. Searcy is gonna play a lot this year......we also have Byrd (who I hope we resign) coming up as a free agent. Searcy was an excellent pick. Once again going with a large player at his position who loves to hit just like Williams.

 

- Jasper was a project....at that time in the draft your not going to find a lot of Demitrous Bell's.......and Stevie Johnson's......its no big deal.

 

- Chris White and Johnny White....same same.....

 

I will say this again......if you can get 3-4 starting players/Impact players out of a draft then you have had a successful draft. There is NO QUESTION that this roster from top to bottom is far more talented for Nix coming in then pre Nix. Anybody who says other then that is full of ****

 

too bad all of the improved talent is not resulting in more wins than Dick was able to generate

 

if the talent is there, it must be a regression in the coaching

[Bill from NYC]

if the talent is there, it must be a regression in the coaching

 

It cannot be. Jauron is bad in every single phase of being a head coach. He isn't even good as a defensive coordibator. Watch what happens to Cleveland this season. He uses the worst formations I have ever seen. His players run away from the line of scrimage, and he believes in building from the secondary. He used to send Schobel out on pass coverage.

 

Offensively, he was probably worse. He had not one clue in terms of clock management. He made utterly bizzare calls in terms of when to kick field goals, and didn't bring an offensive formula into games.

 

Gailey might not be one of the all time great coaches, but he is not to be denied in terms of offensive game plans. He is an intellectual, and it works well with a healthy Fitz. I think that the real difference between Gailey and Jauron is that wrt Gailey, given enough talen,t he could actually win. I hope to see this soon.

Jauron couldn't win under any conditions. He employs a "play not to lose" philosophy that never has worked, nor will it ever.

[SouthernMan]

After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible.

 

Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick)

Troup - IR for 2nd straight season

Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill

Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut

Wang - trash

Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much)

Batten - likely to be cut

Levi Brown - trash

Calloway - trash

 

After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was.

 

Your thoughts?

After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible.

 

Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick)

Troup - IR for 2nd straight season

Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill

Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut

Wang - trash

Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much)

Batten - likely to be cut

Levi Brown - trash

Calloway - trash

 

After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was.

 

Your thoughts?

 

My thoughts are that I'm the guy that gets lambasted by the Stadium Wall mafia for daring to question the greatness of Nix & Co. Several weeks ago I originated a post questioning why Nix and Bills FO are being praised to high heaven in this forum by so many when they haven't produced on the field yet.

 

Great, they signed some top flight FAs. Fck, I could do that! That's the easy part.

 

How about making the most of the draft and taking a Gronkowski over achy breaky Troup. (BTW - I'm far from being a draft guru or college fan, but I watched some college stuff when Troup was a consideration. I knew from those couple games I watched that he's not an NFL player).

 

A team can't be built around FAs. If the Bills fail to stock their roster with productive players through the draft and FA, they will fail, and Nix will be a failure. Show me the baby.

Edited August 26, 2012 by SouthernMan

[Ball'n]

First...I appreciate that you actually gave an answer rather then ignore it like most do that are taking your position.....kudos on that

 

- Brian Bulaga (if you have not noticed) does not fit the mold of offensive linemen that Nix drafts.....Buddy likes his tackles extremely big and extremly LONG LIMBED.....Bulaga is a T Rex. I would also make the arguement that Bulaga has faired no better then Chris Hairston has thus far......and Green Bay wouldnt have dreamed of playing him at Left Tackle while the bills entrusted the LT spot to Hairston in his first year. He wasnt worth the slot where we drafted.

 

- Have you seen how much we use a Tight End in this offense? If Chan actually ran offenses that featured tight ends I could see that pick...but he doesnt. Even Chandler who is a Fitzpatrick favorite gives way to a blocking TE a lot of the time. I am a big believer in drafting talented players and Jermaine is that.....but how much would he actually be used here.

 

 

MEANWHILE.....you have CJ spiller who was rated where he was picked.....is fast as hell......is an excellent receiver....and had excellent consistant production coming out of college. What the bills did not figure on is just how long it was going to take him to pick up pass protection concepts. He looks like he is coming around in that area.

I agree with your post except for this, CJ is struggling as a receiver as he does not run good routes and lacks the awareness to find the open spot. He is good on quick routes that require nothing but him running to the spot, catching the ball and then showcasing his skills. I think that his speed led to him seeming like a better receiver in college than he really was. One would think CJ would be a better receiver than Fred but that is simply not the case.

[spartacus]

It cannot be. Jauron is bad in every single phase of being a head coach. He isn't even good as a defensive coordibator. Watch what happens to Cleveland this season. He uses the worst formations I have ever seen. His players run away from the line of scrimage, and he believes in building from the secondary. He used to send Schobel out on pass coverage.

 

Offensively, he was probably worse. He had not one clue in terms of clock management. He made utterly bizzare calls in terms of when to kick field goals, and didn't bring an offensive formula into games.

 

Gailey might not be one of the all time great coaches, but he is not to be denied in terms of offensive game plans. He is an intellectual, and it works well with a healthy Fitz. I think that the real difference between Gailey and Jauron is that wrt Gailey, given enough talen,t he could actually win. I hope to see this soon.

Jauron couldn't win under any conditions. He employs a "play not to lose" philosophy that never has worked, nor will it ever.

 

"Jauron couldn't win under any conditions" - yet Chan has yet to match even a mediocre 7 win season

[Bill from NYC]

"Jauron couldn't win under any conditions" - yet Chan has yet to match even a mediocre 7 win season

 

Yes, this is a cause for alarm.

I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens.

 

Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job.

[Chandemonium]

With the cuts today, 3 of 9 players from this class remain, excluding Troup. NIx is Batten .333 with the 2010 class.

[thewildrabbit]

On one hand...a single draft is a crapshoot....however, when you line up drafts one after the other....and a pattern of sucking emerges....then...you have to take action.

 

See: Fire Modrak

 

On the other had....

 

This doesn't take into account the fact that a draft chart....takes an entire year to build, involves the entire scouting department for that year, and involves the entire pro personnel people for that year, because drafting without thinking about FA is stupid.

 

So...your assertion that Buddy could have some how come in, and immediately fired Modrak, and then have just "watched film" to replace the work product that Modrak had created...is absurd.

 

It's not about one individual, Buddy, just watching college game tapes. If it were...then why do you need a 10-15 guy scouting department?

 

No. They had to keep Modrak, and keep work product, for that first year. That's why they fired him...AFTER the draft. Your premise is false, therefore, the rest of the argument can't be right. Also, giving draft position the credit, rather than Buddy, for Buddy making good draft decisions? Also absurd.

 

I don't see any Ryan Leafs in the last 2 drafts. Rather, I see nothing but starters/contributors. You can't take credit away...for doing what they are supposed to do....no more than you can give extra credit...for doing what they are supposed to do.

 

....

 

 

As always, I don't mind fans being critical. I do mind when they are misguided/inaccurate.

I don't know what planet you are from, but it certainly doesn't take an entire year to build a draft chart or plan free agent moves. That statement in itself is ridiculous!

 

The real grading starts AFTER the college season, and NFL season ends. All Nix needed to do was to sit and watch past game film, it would take about a few days to evaluate and grade his current players. Then a few days to figure out what players to target in free agency. Then spend some time looking at film of the top 60-90 college players previous to the draft. He had more then enough time to do all those things IMO.

 

Buddy Nix was hired Jan 3rd, 2010. The combine is Feb and the draft the end of April. Nix should have had plenty of time to do his job diligently, and correctly! The fact is that Nix failed badly in that first draft and free agency period and simply didn't do his job properly. Nix not only failed in the 2010 draft, he failed horrifically with his acquisition of free agent RT Cornell Green, 3 mill for that scrub. That one wrong move is a big reason for the 0-8 start of the 2010 season. Then Nix spent half the season trying to find decent replacement RT off the streets.

 

Looking at Tom Modrak's history of a decade of bad drafts there should have been no way Nix relied on him for anything. If you understand there is a problem somewhere why not do some actual work yourself instead of letting a known moron keep doing the drafting.

 

The Bills only turned over about 8 players total that first year. Probably because Nix stated he thought the team was "not that far away"

 

I'd have to say 99% of all GM's are fired and hired at the end of the NFL season. I don't see the good GM's failing in their first year like Nix did. Case in point Thomas Dimitroff was hired by the Falcons on Jan 13th 2008, hired HC Mike Smith,and the Falcons went 11-5 that first year. They didn't get worse like the Buffalo Bills did after they hired Nix. The difference between the two is Nix only need concern himself with the football operations!

 

 

The lengths that some fans will go to in making excuses for the current regime is absurd! Talk about misguided / inaccurate!

 

 

 

 

 

edit: Nix was hired 12-31-09

Edited August 27, 2012 by Fear the Beard

[Dragonborn10]

Easley is gone next week. Carrington as well if the insist he play DT. He is a DE just as Moats is an OLB. If I were Carrington I would ask for a trade to a 3-4 team.

[thewildrabbit]

Yes, this is a cause for alarm.

I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens.

 

Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job.

I give Chan / Nix no room because Nix stated he thought the team had enough talent to win, hence his monumentally foolish "we are not that far away" statement just after he was hired

 

 

Giving Jauron autonomy after Levy retired was the worst move ever, by any franchise! I simply can't understand how Jauron could merit that kinda of trust from an owner. Jauron's biggest downfall was not hiring an experienced NFL OC to teach his young QB's. it was the blind leading the blind on offense

 

 

 

 

http://www.huliq.com/3257/90070/buffalo-bills-choose-buddy-nix-new-gm

[Sisyphean Bills]

With the cuts today, 3 of 9 players from this class remain, excluding Troup. NIx is Batten .333 with the 2010 class.

 

Aren't you setting the bar sort of low? I mean when gastropods are leaping it...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I don't know what planet you are from, but it certainly doesn't take an entire year to build a draft chart or plan free agent moves. That statement in itself is ridiculous!

 

The real grading starts AFTER the college season, and NFL season ends. All Nix needed to do was to sit and watch past game film, it would take about a few days to evaluate and grade his current players. Then a few days to figure out what players to target in free agency. Then spend some time looking at film of the top 60-90 college players previous to the draft. He had more then enough time to do all those things IMO.

 

Buddy Nix was hired Jan 3rd, 2010. The combine is Feb and the draft the end of April. Nix should have had plenty of time to do his job diligently, and correctly! <....>

The lengths that some fans will go to in making excuses for the current regime is absurd! Talk about misguided / inaccurate!

edit: Nix was hired 12-31-09

 

Huh, I guess NFL teams keep the director of player development and a scouting staff of 10-15 guys on the job, year round, why? Just for shucks and yucks, since according to your great knowledge and acumen about football ops a new hire could walk in New Years eve, interview and hire a coaching staff, and single-handedly have plenty of time to evaluate all the current players, evaluate the draft and build a draft board - y'know, the work the coaches and staff were hired to spend the year doing - in 3 months.

 

Thank you for setting us all straight.

Edited August 26, 2012 by Hopeful

[Chandemonium]

 

 

Aren't you setting the bar sort of low? I mean when gastropods are leaping it...

 

Look at who from 2010 was cut today and reread my post.

[Sisyphean Bills]

Look at who from 2010 was cut today and reread my post.

 

You must not have seen what I bolded. In other words, big !@#$ing deal that 3 of them are still on the team. It hasn't even been 3 years and this class is looking dreadful. As the foundation of Nix's rebuild plan, the 2010 draft truly is panning out to be nothing but mud.

[spartacus]

Yes, this is a cause for alarm.

I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens.

 

Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job.

 

and he still won more games than Gailey - every year he was here

 

Buddy may have a better idea no what makes a good football player - but Chan is sure not converting that better talent into wins

 

really remains to be seen if the Bills do have better talent -

none of Buddy's draft picks are pushing for the Pro Bowl

Edited August 26, 2012 by spartacus

[T master]

Keep in mind too that Carrington is not playing the position he played in college . I thought going back to a 4/3 D they might have him lose the weight he gained to change to a 3/4 lineman & go back to being a 4/3 end like he was but they didn't so seeing as we tried to change him that may be something to do with his lack of production !!!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible.

 

Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick)

Troup - IR for 2nd straight season

Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill

Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut

Wang - trash

Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much)

Batten - likely to be cut

Levi Brown - trash

Calloway - trash

 

After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was.

 

Your thoughts?

 

ugh!

Edited August 27, 2012 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Chandemonium]

You must not have seen what I bolded. In other words, big !@#$ing deal that 3 of them are still on the team. It hasn't even been 3 years and this class is looking dreadful. As the foundation of Nix's rebuild plan, the 2010 draft truly is panning out to be nothing but mud.

I saw what you bolded. You must not have seen that my post was intended to be an admittedly bad pun, and nothing more, which is why I said to reread it. The only reason I used players left on the team as the criteria is because it fit the joke while making the math easy (and looking back I still didn't even count right, there's actually 4 guys left ). If I were actually evaluating the draft class I agree that it was pretty bad, especially since I doubt Carrington or Easley will make it to the final 53 this when its all said and done. While i still have hope for Troup in 2013, he's got an uphill battle ahead of him to say the least.

[thewildrabbit]

Huh, I guess NFL teams keep the director of player development and a scouting staff of 10-15 guys on the job, year round, why? Just for shucks and yucks, since according to your great knowledge and acumen about football ops a new hire could walk in New Years eve, interview and hire a coaching staff, and single-handedly have plenty of time to evaluate all the current players, evaluate the draft and build a draft board - y'know, the work the coaches and staff were hired to spend the year doing - in 3 months.

 

Thank you for setting us all straight.

You are welcome.

 

Are teams supposed to fire or lay off their workforce during the off season or do they go by the evaluations in 2010 they made before the 2009 season?

 

 

Like I pointed out, Thomas Dimitroff was hired in Atlanta in the exact same time frame. They hired a new HC, turned over the team along with a new coaching staff and then turned out an 11-5 season.

 

""I'd have to say 99% of all GM's are fired and hired at the end of the NFL season. I don't see the good GM's failing in their first year like Nix did. Case in point Thomas Dimitroff was hired by the Falcons on Jan 13th 2008, hired HC Mike Smith,and the Falcons went 11-5 that first year. They didn't get worse like the Buffalo Bills did after they hired Nix. The difference between the two is Nix only need concern himself with the football operations!""

 

Want more then one case in point? NY Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum was hired on Feb 19th 1997 after a 4-12 season. The Jets went 9-7 the very next year. The Dolphins did the same thing in 2007 with a new Pres / GM staff and HC they went from 1-15 to 11-5.

 

Bills fans can keep blaming Modrak for that 2010 draft, IDC. Nix was the GM at that time and he takes 100% responsibility for a draft under his watch.

[Mr_Blizzard]

Well the fact of the matter was that Troup and Carrington were projected to go wayyy lower than where we took them. Are the rankings always right? Of course not. But those two guys would have been there two rounds later respectively. The fact that we passed on guys like Gronkowski, Angerer and Navorro Bowman is sickening. Again, no GM is perfect but that's bad.

 

I was almost over it and you brought it up again!

[DrDawkinstein]

Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy.

 

Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies?

[Coach Tuesday]

Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy.

 

Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies?

 

Do you not see the irony in that last sentence? What do you think Spiller was/is?

[DrDawkinstein]

Do you not see the irony in that last sentence? What do you think Spiller was/is?

 

The best player available, and a type of RB/weapon we did not have.

 

We had 2 power RBs on the roster: Lynch, who was on his way out of Buffalo because he would not even come in to meet with Gailey. And Jackson, who at the time was 29 years old and not getting any younger.

 

We were bound to have at least 1, if not 2, needs at RB. Luckily, Jackson has stayed productive (to say the least).

 

To bring up Spiller as a comparison, you'd also have to say we drafted another RB in the 3rd or 4th.

[BuffBill]

Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy.

 

Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies?

Heck, don't mentioned a Pro Bowl tight end who broke every single season receiving record for tight ends in just his second season. Not sure how you can defend the Spiller pick then type that second sentenced you typed?

[DrDawkinstein]

Heck, don't mentioned a Pro Bowl tight end who broke every single season receiving record for tight ends in just his second season. Not sure how you can defend the Spiller pick then type that second sentenced you typed?

 

He wasnt a pro bowl TE at that draft. He didnt break any records before that draft. He was just a prospect with a very bad back.

 

Do you understand how time works? I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now.

[Lurker]

I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now.

Yeah. Once upon a time, TSW was full of knowledgeable posters.

 

Sure wish we had a way-back machine...

[Best Player Available]

Yes, this is a cause for alarm.

I give Chan/Nix some room because as soon Levy/Jauron rolled into town, they started screwing up the team. Jauron had a huge say in the draft, and after Levy left, he might well have had final say (other than perhaps Ralph). They left the Bills a complete mess, and Jauron got a job as a defensive backs coach. Somehow, Cleveland was stupid enough to hire him as DC. Watch what happens.

 

Jauron was unthinkably bad in every phase of his job.

 

Yet amazingly some of the better starters on the team are Jauron era leftovers.

[ganesh]

You must not have seen what I bolded. In other words, big !@#$ing deal that 3 of them are still on the team. It hasn't even been 3 years and this class is looking dreadful. As the foundation of Nix's rebuild plan, the 2010 draft truly is panning out to be nothing but mud.

And even Donahoe's first draft was awesome with starters in Clements, Schoebel, Travis Henry, Ron Edwards, Jonas Jennings....Even his scrubs like Brandon Spoon, Tony Driver and Jimmy Williams played in the NFL for a few seasons...and we bitched about Donahoe....

 

Nix and Gailey have a lot riding on this season.

[Mr. WEO]

He wasnt a pro bowl TE at that draft. He didnt break any records before that draft. He was just a prospect with a very bad back.

 

Do you understand how time works? I understand it's a bit of an abstract concept, but events happen in a linear order, and you cant go back and change things based on what you know now.

 

He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

A couple of thoughts

 

- Modrak was shown the door after this draft.....you can pin this on Nix and Gailey if you want but if you are going to do that at least give the two of them credit for the ability to recognize errors and not be to proud to admit them by making changes......just like QB edwards and that OT from the raiders. After this horrid draft Modrak was gone.

 

- Since that draft and truly getting settled in it looks like Nix and Gailey have followed that up with two very solid drafts. At least HUGE steps in the right direction are being taken unlike former GM and HC who have stringed bad drafts along with lackluster free agent off seasons.

 

So yes...the draft was bad.....but the team might actually be good

 

THIS x 10000... I dont know if it was just too late to get thier own draft board together or whatever the reasons are.

 

2010 clearly had Mordak's paw prints all over. Lots of hooded gems and lots of outsmarting the other guys in the room with "high motor guys".

 

2011 and 2012 are flat out different. Guys are either the biggest, strongest, fastest or some combination of all. Heavy on ACC or SEC and many more rookies getting onto the field and contributing for 2011 class and I expect from 2012...

 

Anyone missing this pattern isn't paying close enough attention to post anything meaningful on this subject.

[Ramius]

He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk?

 

Seeing how he missed the entire '09 college season with a back injury, i'd say that he had back issues.

[MyHorseAteTheKid]

I wish Easley would show something.. Anything... He looked like the real deal last year before the mystery heart ailment!!

[thewildrabbit]

And even Donahoe's first draft was awesome with starters in Clements, Schoebel, Travis Henry, Ron Edwards, Jonas Jennings....Even his scrubs like Brandon Spoon, Tony Driver and Jimmy Williams played in the NFL for a few seasons...and we bitched about Donahoe....

 

Nix and Gailey have a lot riding on this season.

This is a really great point!

 

The first year under Donahoe / Williams the Bills went 3-13, then went 8-8 the second year.

 

That 2nd draft most fans wanted to crucify Donahoe for taking Mike Williams with the #4 overall. Williams never became that stud LT, but at least he started at RT for 4 years. The others from that year were Josh Reed, Ryan Denny, Coy Wire, Justin Bannan

 

The 3rd draft under Donahoe was also good. Willis McGahee, Chris Kelsay, Angelo Crowell, Terrance McGee, Sam Aiken, Mario Haggen

 

 

What is it with this team and avoiding 1st round QB's the last 10 years?

[ganesh]

What is it with this team and avoiding 1st round QB's the last 10 years?

 

Technically, they have spent 3 First Round picks on QBs in the last decade....

One for the Drew Bledsoe Trade

One for the draft pick for J.P Losman and One for the trade.

 

They have also spent 1st round picks on RBs exclusively in McGahee, Lynch and Spiller and have got nothing out of any of them except for some stupid low round draft picks.

[Dopey]

After Troup going on IR for the season I was just thinking back to how awful Nix's first draft was for this team... I mean it is really terrible.

 

Spiller - hasn't produced enough at this point to justify the pick although a lot of upside here (best pick)

Troup - IR for 2nd straight season

Carrington - likely to be cut this year, never done anything as a Bill

Easley - injured the entire time he has been on the team, likely to be cut

Wang - trash

Moats - should make the team (2nd best pick.. not saying much)

Batten - likely to be cut

Levi Brown - trash

Calloway - trash

 

After cuts we are likely to only have Spiller and Moats playing this year... what a disaster this was.

 

Your thoughts?

My thoughts?!?!? My thought is "aren't there like 2-3 or 4 threads like this already?!?!? Yawn.

[bbb]

Anyone mentioning Gronkowski in this thread should be banned. He had SERIOUS injury issues. So bad in fact that the Pats spent another pick on Hernandez as an insurance policy.

 

Were we in the position to be wasting picks on insurance policies?

 

This is what I was saying the other night about this very issue. I really did not want Gronk. I thought he knew he was badly injured and was trying to get one payday out of it. He didn't play the entire '09 season due to back surgery and could have went back to school, and proved he was a high first round pick. But, he chose to come out. I thought he had red flags coming out the butt.

[BuffBill]

He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk?

Exactly, Gronk and Hernandez play two distinctive roles in the Pats offense. If all Hernandez was only insurance why did they just extend him after extending Gronk not that long ago? Some people will say the dumbest things trying to defend this FO, who by the way have averaged less wins per season then their predecessors did.

Edited August 27, 2012 by BuffBill

[DrDawkinstein]

He had a very bad back when he was drafted? How and when did it get un-badded? And how do you know the pats drafted Hernandez as "insurance"? Why didn't they draft Hernandez before Gronk?

 

Are you seriously this clueless about Gronk's history? Or are you just parodying the rest of the dummies?

[jahnyc]

We really need A. Williams and Sheppard to step up this year. Otherwise, the 2011 draft will be a bust other than Darreus, who was a no brainer of a pick.