The Senator Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 not sure why the hate on Newton Mike Leach would be drooling all over him Hew couldn't lock his own QB in an equipment shed fast enough to get Cam on the field I can't think of a QB that Mike Leach doesn't like - I know he likes Ryan Mallett a lot too. Myself, I don't HATE Newton at all. I just think he's been thrust into the 'we-gotta-gush-over-a-QB-some-QB-any-QB...quick-name-a few-QBs-we-can-gush-over' void left by Andy Luck's very predictable decision to finish his education, and I don't think Newton measures up to all the hype he's getting. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 How 'bout the other Stanford guy I like - the Croatian guy, Owen Marecic, in round 4... youtube.com/watch?v=c6yDDMbW32A And... . Now HERE is someone we can agree on, Owen Marecic in the 4th!! If he is still there, grab him. Would be great LB depth and I would bet be our Special Teams captain (a la Coy Wire), and agree he would be a great high character "pure football player" for our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If Cam Newton is available at #3 the Bills will draft him. As of this date there is not a defensive difference maker in the 2011 draft. There are a lot of good defensive players, but none worthy of a top 3 pick. That's why I say if available, Carolina might be thinking the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If Cam Newton is available at #3 the Bills will draft him. As of this date there is not a defensive difference maker in the 2011 draft. There are a lot of good defensive players, but none worthy of a top 3 pick. That's why I say if available, Carolina might be thinking the same way. How do you know that Newton is a "difference maker"? He was clearly very good in the ONE (1) year that he started in Div 1AA, but a lot of his success came as a runner. I don't know if he will be great or not, but I also don't think any of us knows if any of the DL will be great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 How do you know that Newton is a "difference maker"? He was clearly very good in the ONE (1) year that he started in Div 1AA, but a lot of his success came as a runner. I don't know if he will be great or not, but I also don't think any of us knows if any of the DL will be great either. Can we stop this myth about Newton being successful because of his running? He threw 30 tds passes and had more passing yards than AAron Rodgers did his senior season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The question not being asked in this thread. Did we really need another Cam Newton thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If Cam Newton is available at #3 the Bills will draft him. As of this date there is not a defensive difference maker in the 2011 draft. There are a lot of good defensive players, but none worthy of a top 3 pick. That's why I say if available, Carolina might be thinking the same way. I see 4-5 defensive players who could be worthy of a top 5 pick. Specifically...Fairley, Quinn, Peterson, Dareus, and Von Miller. All of these players will likely be "difference makers" at their respective positions, I only see one offensive player, however, who would be worthy of a top five pick, and that of course is Green. I like Newton, but I don't think it's the right move for the Bills right now. We have a good quarterback already, and we desperately need to upgrade many other areas of our football team. No thanks to QB this year unless Mallett slips to the 2nd round. He would be a good developmental QB who could learn the system from Fitz while we upgrade our defense and solidify our offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordByrd Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The question not being asked in this thread. Did we really need another Cam Newton thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Newton is a project and the people on bills message boards cant handle projects. So the bills wont draft Newton because of the chaos he will create. I hope to god that this does not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The question not being asked in this thread. Did we really need another Cam Newton thread? Didn't we have a pinned Tebow thread last year? Seems like a pinned Newton thread would be a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Didn't we have a pinned Tebow thread last year? Seems like a pinned Newton thread would be a good idea. No. No. No. No. We do not need to waste our time. Actually, lets put it back up, it kept Tebow away, lets hope it works again with Newton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beerball Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Newton will participate fully at Combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenty Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 i know this is crazy, but would you rather trade maybe two picks for tebow, keep the 1st for somebody who is a better choice then cam? then you can have a one year qb behind fitzy, train him a little more, and worry about our defense. im sure i will get laughed about this, but i just think tebow is better then cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Grid Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Tebow may have better intangibles, but Cam is basically better than Tebow in every physical category and more accurate. Tebow has an average arm, cam will have one of the strongest in the league. Tebow can run some but might not be able to take an NFL pounding, cam is faster stronger and far more likely to duplicate his college running success in the pros. Tebow still has to work to fix his delivery, cam's is already good. And here's the kicker, Tebow scored low for a Qb on the wonderlic, so while he might not have ever been in trouble like cam or have sketchy people around him like cam's dad, when it comes to the most important intangible of intelligence, there's a good chance cam has him beat there too. In all I think there is a good chance Tebow flames out and that people come to the realization that Cam is basically the NFL version of a Qb Tebow tried, but didn't have the physical skills, to be. So obviously I say keep the picks draft Cam and let Chan does what he does best, develop a winning Qb. Edited February 22, 2011 by DC Grid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Tebow is a high character, high motor guy and ultimatly might be a winner in the NFL, today he is not. Newton has all the strengths required of a future great NFL QB as he will provide a multi level threat for the team that drafts him from day one. The answer is Newton! With that I hope the Panthers draft him, so we can draft for our biggest needs and not have to make excuses and explain why we passed on Newton when he is winning for his team, with the knowledge that we could have had him. If he is there at 3, the Bills will have a big choice to make, hopefully smart people, smarter than us or even those who have made choices for the Bills in the past, are now in charge at 1 Bills Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 You can feel it coming . . . Cam Newton #1 to the Carolina Panthers. I'm calling it now. Same time last year. Suh #1 to the Rams. QBs rise to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Since we have outstanding evidence on our own roster about 1 year college starters(See Aaron Maybin) why do so many people think Cam Newton can excel at the most difficult of positions with the same amount of experience? Nevermind all the other glaring red flags about the guy. Please don't take this as a personal attack on your opinion of him, but I do welcome your answers if you'd like to discuss with the focus around your logic, and what you see in him. Thanks! McCurse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Since we have outstanding evidence on our own roster about 1 year college starters(See Aaron Maybin) why do so many people think Cam Newton can excel at the most difficult of positions with the same amount of experience? Nevermind all the other glaring red flags about the guy. Please don't take this as a personal attack on your opinion of him, but I do welcome your answers if you'd like to discuss with the focus around your logic, and what you see in him. Thanks! McCurse MC, I thought the same thing last week...the one year starter thing bugs me quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) First off, I believe your understanding of what Buddy Nix meant by "one year wonder" might be a little off. He never mentioned "one year starters", he specifically said "one year wonders". I find it hard to accept that Nix and Co. only want to draft guys that have started more than 1 year. In college football, that happens ALL THE TIME with great players who are stuck behind other great players. Most players don't get much time until their junior year, and then head for the pros the following year. The difference between them and Maybin is hard to define in a single post, but it is there. Maybin was a red shirted sophomore so he had very little actual time in college football, let alone on the field. He "came out of nowhere" and got playing time due to injuries. He did not have much of a history on the team and was sort of a flash-in-the-pan anomaly. Players like Newton, and Fairley, while only having started for Auburn for 1 year were well known and established players before they hit the field. People down south were talking about Fairley finally getting more playing time. Same thing with Dareus in Alabama, who had been buried behind a talented DLine and only saw very limited playing time prior to this season. While it may only be JUCO, there is a full season of tape on Newton... and that tape shows him carrying that team to a dominant year and a JUCO National Championship. Posters can say "I dont want to hear about JUCO, it doesnt count", well tell that to Freddie Jackson. Before that Newton was a backup at Florida. Say what you will about how that situation ended up off-field, but the point is that he was a HEAVILY recruited and sought after player by major college programs across the best Conference in college football. As a matter of fact, back then the worry about Newton was that he was TOO MUCH of a pocket passer and people questioned whether he could scramble and run the ball in Florida's offense. Can you imagine?!? So in conclusion, the difference is their short history. Maybin was the pure definition of a "one year WONDER", as in "I wonder who the heck this kid is or where he came from??". Newton (and others) are known commodities, even if they only have 1 year of starting. Edited February 22, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I am actually changing my first round prediction to Newton...... - QB is a need.....we dont have a backup I even want to put on the field. - My biggest fear of Cam Newton is putting him on the field too soon and ruining him......but I think we are in a good position here to have him sit for a year and learn or possibly putting him in wildcat situations. Fitz is the perfect QB to run this team right now. - Use EVERY other pick on defense, get a OT and TE in free agency. Cam's potential is incredible.....as long as we dont rush him along too quickly. I don't agree with all of this. If the Bills do take Newton 3rd he will be starting before the end of the season. Teams don't draft a QB that high to sit him for a year. Last time I can remember that happening was with Carson Palmer in 2003. I can't see that happening here. If Newton's the pick he may begin the year as the back-up but he will be the starter sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) What I see is a guy who got thrown out of Florida for academic laziness, cheating, and theft, then went on to be a dominant QB for one year in a small-time junior college environment, then enabled his dad to earn a nice bit of $$scratch$$ by choosing Auburn - where a superior program, excellent coaching, and a stellar supporting cast allowed him to shine for one season on real NCAA (Div 1-A FBS) team, after which he instantly abandoned his team and the program and hired a team of agents, lawyers, and PR consultants to enable him to 'cash in' quickly for the maximum financial gain... So what's not to like? Who wouldn't burn a high first round pick and knock over anyone in their way to hand a $50M contract to a kid like that?? Edited February 22, 2011 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not saying that I am an ardent supporter of Newton, but the one year that he started in D1, he won the Heisman Trophy, lead his team to a National Championship, and dominated the competition to have one of the greatest seasons a college football player has ever had. Maybin, OTOH, didn't dominate nearly as thoroughly as Newton did. There were some games he was completely ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 First off, I believe your understanding of what Buddy Nix meant by "one year wonder" might be a little off. He never mentioned "one year starters", he specifically said "one year wonders". I find it hard to accept that Nix and Co. only want to draft guys that have started more than 1 year. In college football, that happens ALL THE TIME with great players who are stuck behind other great players. Most players don't get much time until their junior year, and then head for the pros the following year. The difference between them and Maybin is hard to define in a single post, but it is there. Maybin was a red shirted sophomore so he had very little actual time in college football, let alone on the field. He "came out of nowhere" and got playing time due to injuries. He did not have much of a history on the team and was sort of a flash-in-the-pan anomaly. Players like Newton, and Fairley, while only having started for Auburn for 1 year were well known and established players before they hit the field. People down south were talking about Fairley finally getting more playing time. Same thing with Dareus in Alabama, who had been buried behind a talented DLine and only saw very limited playing time prior to this season. While it may only be JUCO, there is a full season of tape on Newton... and that tape shows him carrying that team to a dominant year and a JUCO National Championship. Posters can say "I dont want to hear about JUCO, it doesnt count", well tell that to Freddie Jackson. Before that Newton was a backup at Florida. Say what you will about how that situation ended up off-field, but the point is that he was a HEAVILY recruited and sought after player by major college programs across the best Conference in college football. As a matter of fact, back then the worry about Newton was that he was TOO MUCH of a pocket passer and people questioned whether he could scramble and run the ball in Florida's offense. Can you imagine?!? So in conclusion, the difference is their short history. Maybin was the pure definition of a "one year WONDER", as in "I wonder who the heck this kid is or where he came from??". Newton (and others) are known commodities, even if they only have 1 year of starting. These are very good points, and things I haven't been looking at when evaluating him. My opinion of him as a player are based on some things I see in his game. I actually wasn't really referring to Buddy's statements of a one year wonder. I actually didn't even read what he said, this was more my take on his starting time, I will have to see what he meant now that you bring it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I was thinking about this the other day. My opinion is that Tebow will be very good in the NFL, but I don’t have the same confidence for Newton. I think that mobility and arm strength wise there isn’t much more you could ask for with these two. Newton has displayed more short and mid range accuracy but Tebow throws the fade and seem route with the best of them. What separates them, IMO, is intelligence and dedication. I have no question about either with Tebow, but there are serious red flags with Newton. Considering the massive strides Tebow made from college through his rookie year, that’s a good indication that he will succeed. Newton that’s still a huge ? He could get his paycheck and give up like J Russel or M Lienart. IMO, trading the #3 overall pick for Tebow would be a better move than taking Newton with that pick. It makes perfect sense if you agree that Tebow>Newton, and you were ok with taking Newton at 3 anyways. Considering the new regime in Denver (reportedly) isn’t too high on Tebow, I bet they would take that trade, maybe giving up one of their 2nd rounders too. Also, were did this false notion of Tebow having an average arm come from? I’ve seen the guy throw 70 yarders on the run with a low trajectory. Honestly throws that only Vick and a young Farve could make. Newton has a strong arm too, but Tebows is not weaker that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 One would think that if the Bills draft him #3 they will have done a good job of interviewing him and removing any risk associated with him being mentally and mature enough to succeed. They probably also would have gotten a handle on his ability to handle the pro offense. As far as being a one year wonder - in today's world, that is what you get. I beleive the same label could have been put on AL - but noone here would have had a problem drafting him. To go to your point - I think a one year wonder at QB is more difficult to pull off than what Maybin did. CN went undefeated in the toughest league, made the biggest plays passing and running, won big, won from behind, won it all. If you have only one year to prove it - what else can you do? I think - as usual - people have polarized on him and either are 100 percent for or against. What I see is a guy who got thrown out of Florida for academic laziness, cheating, and theft, then went on to be a dominant QB for one year in a small-time junior college environment, then enabled his dad to earn a nice bit of $$scratch$$ by choosing Auburn - where a superior program, excellent coaching, and a stellar supporting cast allowed him to shine for one season on real NCAA (Div 1-A FBS) team... So what's not to like? Who wouldn't burn a high first round pick and knock over anyone in their way to hand a $50M contract to a kid like that?? As far as his "transgressions" - I am of the opinion - who cares...for better or worse CN has been a pro QB for years. He was always going to be either a NFL QB or a landscaper. He was never going to be a good student - or even a student. I think in the SEC - the football players probably aren't really asked to be students anyway - they are their to play football - and historically - they have been "pros" - although I am not quite sure how much of that actually goes on anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What I see is a guy who got thrown out of Florida for academic laziness, cheating, and theft, then went on to be a dominant QB for one year in a small-time junior college environment, then enabled his dad to earn a nice bit of $$scratch$$ by choosing Auburn - where a superior program, excellent coaching, and a stellar supporting cast allowed him to shine for one season on real NCAA (Div 1-A FBS) team... So what's not to like? Who wouldn't burn a high first round pick and knock over anyone in their way to hand a $50M contract to a kid like that?? Wow. Way to make things up. 1.) UF did not throw him out. He transfered when Tebow made his decision to stay for another year 2.) He did not steal anything. He purchased a stolen laptop and as far as I know, there is no proof that he knew it was stolen 3.) No proof has been found that Auburn paid Cam or his father any money. 4.) Superior program? Auburn has not been a superior program since Bo Jackson left almost 20 years ago. Get real. There are plenty of questions marks surrounding Newton and plenty of reasons not to want the Bills to take him at 3, but you shouldn't just make things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Totally agree with both Ditka and baskin's posts. (Didnt want to copy and paste both into a long post just to say I agree) Ditka makes great points about the level of play during that one year. And Im with baskin in the "who cares?" camp. I could post of list of stupid crap I did as a 19 year old in college that is way worse the Newton. I bet so could most posters here. Yet, I was recruited straight from college into higher level Networking/IT positions, and have always been a professional. People grow up. Especially from 19 to 23 years old and going forward. I dont pin the actions of his scumbag father on him. That's on his father for trying to pimp out his son. Cam was trying to play football either way. If we're going to start holding kids responsible for their parent's behavior, that's a whole other discussion, and a ridiculous one at that. With regards to the Senator, Im not even going to respond to such nonsense. I get it, you want to be a slightly provoking, slightly funny poster. Some of us want to talk football and facts and have a discussion. (Thank you Maddog) Edited February 22, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 What I see is a guy who got thrown out of Florida for academic laziness, cheating, and theft, then went on to be a dominant QB for one year in a small-time junior college environment, then enabled his dad to earn a nice bit of $$scratch$$ by choosing Auburn - where a superior program, excellent coaching, and a stellar supporting cast allowed him to shine for one season on real NCAA (Div 1-A FBS) team, after which he instantly abandoned his team and the program and hired a team of agents, lawyers, and PR consultants to enable him to 'cash in' quickly for the maximum financial gain... So what's not to like? Who wouldn't burn a high first round pick and knock over anyone in their way to hand a $50M contract to a kid like that?? but...but...but....he's the most amazing talent since Tim Tebow EVER!!!! He will revolutionize the QB position!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 but...but...but....he's the most amazing talent since Tim Tebow EVER!!!! He will revolutionize the QB position!!! That's probably more right than you mean it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Each player is his own entity. Cam newton whether he is good or not has nothing to do with aaron maybin. Maybin was undersized for his position and a one trick pony (speed rush). Cam newton has excellent size with no concern over his accuracy, arm strength, or throwing motion. There was a great write up on here a couple of days ago by a dolphins writer all about cam newton. In it they interviewed several teammates who all raved about his leadership. Also mentioned was how he was instrumental in getting his receivers together during the offseason to prqactice. Also how he was first in and last out and he knew where every player was supposed to be and when. These are all intagibles your looking for in a qb. So I'm left looking at a qb who appears to have great leadership skills and an excellent commitment to getting better and making his team better. Add to that his physical skills that you can see on tape and you've got pretty much everything your looking for in a qb. That's why I want cam newton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The comparison of Newton's situation to Maybin's is a little ridiculous. Maybin did exactly 1 thing well in college for 1 year, speed rush. Maybin was also fairly undersized for his position. Newton proved through the course of the year that he had many talents, obviously his running and mobility, but also accurate smart throws both short and long (far more accurate than Tebow). Newton also has terrific size for his position and abilities, something Maybin did not. Newton was the unquestioned leader of his team, which he took to, and won, the national championship (these weren't even a thought with Maybin). Don't get me wrong there are some questions about Newton (can he read defenses, was it the scheme?), but he has the most talent and ability of any of the other WAY OVERRATED QB's in this draft. He proved in his 1 year he has NFL talent far beyond Maybin did. Would he (or any other QB) be able to succeed in Buffalo though, that is the question. With his mobility, at least he has a shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) There was a great write up on here a couple of days ago by a dolphins writer all about cam newton. In it they interviewed several teammates who all raved about his leadership. Also mentioned was how he was instrumental in getting his receivers together during the offseason to prqactice. Also how he was first in and last out and he knew where every player was supposed to be and when. These are all intagibles your looking for in a qb. So I'm left looking at a qb who appears to have great leadership skills and an excellent commitment to getting better and making his team better. Add to that his physical skills that you can see on tape and you've got pretty much everything your looking for in a qb. That's why I want cam newton! YES! Ive been searching for it since I first posted in this thread. I think its a great read and would be perfect to link again in here. FOUND IT!! McCurse, and all others, please read this. It is pretty long, and you can skip the part about his off-field issues, since it basically recaps them and says "These arent major issues, this is just a college kid". And get down to the real on-field football player analysis. http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html The natural and undeniable conclusion is that nobody should accuse Cameron Newton of being a ‘run-first’ quarterback, or a glorified running back, or anything of the kind. The fact of the matter is we have isolated every single snap (both pass and run) of Cam Newton’s over his final six games against Ole Miss, Chattanooga, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Oregon. What we found is that Newton only scrambled for yardage on a total of 15 of 169 pass snaps. The other 80 or so runs were called as run plays from the sidelines. The rate (just under 9%) at which Newton pulled down the ball and ran for yardage rather than continuing to try and pass the ball, was comparable with the rate at which Aaron Rodgers did the same (just under 8%) for the Green Bay Packers during the 2010 regular season, according to Pro Football Focus.... ...The reality is that when Cam Newton was being recruited out of Westlake High School, he had to dispel scouts of the complete opposite notion, that he was just a pure pocket passer that didn’t use his feet to hurt teams. Here is a quote dated March 22nd, 2006 in a report about Newton’s recruiting prospects: Some have labeled Newton as a pure pocket passer but he is quick to discard that assessment. “I used to just sit back in the pocket but now with defensive ends running 4.6 forty’s you have to be able to move around and make plays with your feet," he said. “Now, I consider myself a guy who can run and pass. I really like to sit back and throw the ball but if you give me some space I’ll tuck it and run.” Edited February 22, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Since we have outstanding evidence on our own roster about 1 year college starters(See Aaron Maybin) why do so many people think Cam Newton can excel at the most difficult of positions with the same amount of experience? Nevermind all the other glaring red flags about the guy. Please don't take this as a personal attack on your opinion of him, but I do welcome your answers if you'd like to discuss with the focus around your logic, and what you see in him. Thanks! McCurse Of course none of us can predict exactly what kind of NFL player Cam Newton will be. We only have our opinions and none is worth more than another. IMHO Cam Newton shows signs of being a very good NFL quarterback. He is the prototype for what NFL teams are currently looking for in a QB. Coaches want that mobility as well as the ability to throw the ball. Newton has demonstrated both. I think he is better than Tebow. If drafted, you could start him off in Wildcat packages, just to get his feet wet. He would bring a new element to the offense while understudying Fitz. Once he gets his feet wet a bit, plug him in there and I believe he will be a star. Just my opinion, based on watching him play this year. If you disagree, I respect your opinion, but again, none of us really knows until we see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Posting this again in this thread just for organizing. I appreciate the merge and pin, but now its hard to find anything from previous discussions and a lot of good stuff has been posted. http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 but...but...but....he's the most amazing talent since Tim Tebow EVER!!!! He will revolutionize the QB position!!! True, but Kim Newton only became all that after January 15th, when Luck announced he would stay at Stanford - leaving a huge void of QB-draft-hype that someone had to fill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 True, but Kim Newton only became all that after January 15th, when Luck announced he would stay at Stanford - leaving a huge void of QB-draft-hype that someone had to fill! NO. HE. DID. NOT. only to a few dummies. a lot of us, and experts, had him on our radar all year. he only jumped up to the TOP qb prospect after Luck dropped out, but he should have always been up there as a close 2nd. I wish Luck wouldve come out this year so Carolina would have grabbed him and we could have had a clear shot at Newton. This also probably would have sparked a QB run which allowed some DL talent to fall to us in the 2nd. I blame Luck for the Bills defensive problems next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Wow. Way to make things up. 1.) UF did not throw him out. He transfered when Tebow made his decision to stay for another year 2.) He did not steal anything. He purchased a stolen laptop and as far as I know, there is no proof that he knew it was stolen 3.) No proof has been found that Auburn paid Cam or his father any money. 4.) Superior program? Auburn has not been a superior program since Bo Jackson left almost 20 years ago. Get real. There are plenty of questions marks surrounding Newton and plenty of reasons not to want the Bills to take him at 3, but you shouldn't just make things up. Well, you're probably right about the Auburn program - I am guilty of hyperbole there - but Newton's as guilty as they come regarding the rest of it. He left Florida because he was about to be expelled, not because of Tebow. (If he stayed, wouldn't he he have been 'the guy' this season anyway?) No one throws a laptop out their dorm window when the campus police come knocking unless they know it's a stolen laptop - he either stole it hmself, or certainly knew it was stolen. Regarding the rest of the scandals... Source: Newton left Florida after cheating scandal Scandal offers no escape for Auburn or Cam Newton Edited February 22, 2011 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 True, but Kim Newton only became all that after January 15th, when Luck announced he would stay at Stanford - leaving a huge void of QB-draft-hype that someone had to fill! You provide some great comedy in slagging every QB prospect. Need I remind you that the savior you annointed last year, Graham Harrell, got released 2-3x (including by a CFL team) and is now the 4th QB/tackling dummy on GB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 True, but Kim Newton only became all that after January 15th, when Luck announced he would stay at Stanford - leaving a huge void of QB-draft-hype that someone had to fill! I've just got one thing to say to you on the QB front Senator Graham Harrell Hope all is well my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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