Multiple people shot at KC parade.

[Bob Jones]

51 minutes ago, boyst said:

Also, final post here. 12+ hours after the issue. The perps haven't been named, the national story will be dropped in a few days, this will be forgotten quickly because of the narrative being false.

Still no suspects publicly named/identified, even though you would certainly think that there were plenty of EYEwitnesses who actually saw the shooters shooting their guns. The "official" word is that they have 3 suspects in custody and also have recovered some guns too.

[T master]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Mass shooters are cowards so they tend to choose targets where they will face no resistance. Parades have armed law enforcement officers posted everywhere so I'm not surprised that this is the first time.

 

Given early reports of there being 2 shooters in custody I'm inclined to think this was not a run of the mill random mass shooting. We'll see.

 

I agree 100% ! But this really doesn't surprise me in todays world which is truly sad . I hope they make examples of these to f n people .

 

But as it goes they will probably get 3 hots & a cot that we will have to pay for while they also go work out at the prison gym then take a sit in the hot sauna then go to the library and then a hot meal . Some kind of justice in that ...

 

What ever happened to a eye for a eye ??? Those 2 are just sick !!! 

[wnyguy]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Is this kind of like I used to hate mushrooms but now I love them?

It's the texture I can't stand.

[Heels20X6]

13 hours ago, SCBills said:

More gun control is not to be taken seriously when it’s championed by those that vote for politicians who don’t enforce existing laws. 
 

What they advocate for is more gun control for mothers and fathers that want to protect their family. 
 

We have a society in decline and we are awash in guns.

 

Gun violence is a symptom of the deeper cause.  But no one wants to dig deeper because that would require actual introspection as a society and we’re conditioned to fix everything with band-aids. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just wanted to bump this because this was so well said.

 

No one wants to look into WHY gun culture is gun culture.  The 2nd Amendment has been around forever, but this raving need to own as many guns as possible (gun sales always go UP after media-publicized shootings) is a NEW thing.  In the 80s and 90s, no one was screaming from the rafters about banning guns, or stocking up on AR15s....what happened?!

 

How do we get back to "common sense" and guns?

[K-9]

32 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Here's a photo of one of the "alleged" shooters. Funny how most of the media won't post this photo. 🤔

Any respectable media source wouldn’t publish this photo before it is properly vetted. What is the source of this photo? Who corroborated with what law enforcement authorities to confirm this person is one of the alleged perpetrators? There are very good reasons, legal and otherwise, why respectable outlets follow these protocols. Not the least of which is to not compromise law enforcement during its investigation. 

 

Regardless, when information is confirmed by law enforcement authorities, pictures of all the suspects will be prominently displayed by media sources everywhere. 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

 

Regardless, when information is confirmed by law enforcement authorities, pictures of all the suspects will be prominently displayed by media sources everywhere. 

No, they won’t .. and we all know why. 

[BringBackFergy]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/14/us/kansas-city-chiefs-rally-shooting-thursday/index.html
 

Sadly, it will be tough to identify ALL of the shooters. Most were wearing red jerseys. Eyewitness accounts will be subject to scrutiny. A defense lawyer’s wet dream. 
 

RIP to the young lady shot and killed. I wonder if she was the initial target? Some kind of revenge? 
 

Sad story. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

I think this really depends on a person's age.  I was in high school in the 1990s and 2000s and the idea we must go to college was really pushed hard I thought on our generation.  Like you won't be successful in life without it.  And yeah at 17 I wasn't exactly the best long term planner.  So in that sense I have sympathy for kids that racked up the debt.

 

But I hear what you're saying.  It seems less and less boys these days go to college for this and other reasons imo.  Understanding debt accumulation is one of them.  

 

Understood, but I think you’ll admit this is far from being one of the biggest problems many in our society face on a daily basis. 

[nedboy7]

Lots of talk on here about Chicago and why they wont publish the shooters photos within a day of the shooting.  "We all know why right?"    Here are some stats.

 

From 2016 to 2020, the two U.S. counties to experience the most gun homicides per capita were rural:*

 

Phillips County, Arkansas: 55.45 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

Lowndes County, Alabama: 48.36 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people**

 

From 2016 to 2020, 13 of the 20 U.S. counties with the most gun homicides per capita were rural:

 

80 percent of these 20 counties are in states that received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws, according to Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2021 annual state scorecard rankings.

 

In 2020, the total gun death rate for rural communities—when age-adjusted per 100,000 people—was 40 percent higher than it was for large metropolitan areas.

 

For reference to my stat hating Bills fans.... 2021 Chicago rate was 29.6

Edited February 15 by nedboy7

[Royale with Cheese]

58 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

It's the texture I can't stand.

 

That's the way I was with onions.  

[Royale with Cheese]

45 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Lots of talk on here about Chicago and why they wont publish the shooters photos within a day of the shooting.  "We all know why right?"    Here are some stats.

 

From 2016 to 2020, the two U.S. counties to experience the most gun homicides per capita were rural:*

 

Phillips County, Arkansas: 55.45 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

Lowndes County, Alabama: 48.36 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people**

 

From 2016 to 2020, 13 of the 20 U.S. counties with the most gun homicides per capita were rural:

 

80 percent of these 20 counties are in states that received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws, according to Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2021 annual state scorecard rankings.

 

In 2020, the total gun death rate for rural communities—when age-adjusted per 100,000 people—was 40 percent higher than it was for large metropolitan areas.

 

For reference to my stat hating Bills fans.... 2021 Chicago rate was 29.6

 

These are interesting stats but I think with everything, there is context inside the stats.  

 

I have a lot of friends who are cops.  The reason why you will see more violence in rural areas is because there is more prevalence of drug abuse, alcohol abuse and domestic violence.  Also consider, most of the murders in large metropolitan areas are the more poorer income areas.  So the lifestyles are similar to those in rural areas, they just live in a different spot.

When they are doing the murder rate of Chicago, they are including all of Chicago.  The vast majority of the violence crimes and murders happen in the southside of Chicago....what would the per capita murder rate be if they split Chicago between north and south?

Edited February 15 by Royale with Cheese

[Jauronimo]

53 minutes ago, SCBills said:

No, they won’t .. and we all know why. 

Because there has been an increasing sensitivity to not showing, or glorifying the cowards who perpetrate these horrific acts.  The media finally learned their lesson after the wildly irresponsible coverage of Columbine and VA Tech.  Coverage now focuses on the victims instead of the losers.  

[LeviF]

32 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Lots of talk on here about Chicago and why they wont publish the shooters photos within a day of the shooting.  "We all know why right?"    Here are some stats.

 

From 2016 to 2020, the two U.S. counties to experience the most gun homicides per capita were rural:*

 

Phillips County, Arkansas: 55.45 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

Lowndes County, Alabama: 48.36 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people**

 

From 2016 to 2020, 13 of the 20 U.S. counties with the most gun homicides per capita were rural:

 

80 percent of these 20 counties are in states that received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws, according to Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2021 annual state scorecard rankings.

 

In 2020, the total gun death rate for rural communities—when age-adjusted per 100,000 people—was 40 percent higher than it was for large metropolitan areas.

 

For reference to my stat hating Bills fans.... 2021 Chicago rate was 29.6

 

Speaking of statistics, what else do Phillips and Lowndes counties have in common?

 

https://data.census.gov/

[Southern Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Because there has been an increasing sensitivity to not showing, or glorifying the cowards who perpetrate these horrific acts.  The media finally learned their lesson after the wildly irresponsible coverage of Columbine and VA Tech.  Coverage now focuses on the victims instead of the losers.  

No, that's not the reason.

[Jauronimo]

4 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

No, that's not the reason.

Then be brave and go on record with the reason.  You too @Bob Jones

 

I can't wait to hear about how the media in this country is afraid to paint black men in a negative light.

Edited February 15 by Jauronimo

[yall]

In a surprise to absolutely no one who is paying attention, it's now being initially reported that the shooters were juveniles who were having a dispute.

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

Blah, blah, blah

 

If this guy was white, we would've known his name, background, and his entire social media history within hours of the shooting.

That's literally exactly the reason. 

At least you have the guts to say it.  I would encourage you to do a modicum of research about prevailing stereotypes in the depiction of black people in the news and media, a topic which has decades worth of research for your consideration.  Or you can take a look at sentencing disparities between blacks and whites.  If you're still convinced that the white man can't get a fair shake in America then we can agree to disagree.

[PayDaBill$]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

Lots of talk on here about Chicago and why they wont publish the shooters photos within a day of the shooting.  "We all know why right?"    Here are some stats.

 

From 2016 to 2020, the two U.S. counties to experience the most gun homicides per capita were rural:*

 

Phillips County, Arkansas: 55.45 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

Lowndes County, Alabama: 48.36 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people**

 

From 2016 to 2020, 13 of the 20 U.S. counties with the most gun homicides per capita were rural:

 

80 percent of these 20 counties are in states that received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws, according to Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2021 annual state scorecard rankings.

 

In 2020, the total gun death rate for rural communities—when age-adjusted per 100,000 people—was 40 percent higher than it was for large metropolitan areas.

 

For reference to my stat hating Bills fans.... 2021 Chicago rate was 29.6

The reality is that annually there are thousands of deaths by gun violence. The vast majority’s have taken place in inner cities (the data isn’t hard to verify), where you have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.  
 

You can use the per capita nonsense to spin the narrative, sure the averages will skew higher in sparsely populated rural areas, but the raw data says otherwise when pinpointing actual locations of violence.

 

I’ll take my chances in any Illinois Alabama Missouri rural town vs urban “inner-city” Chicago Birmingham or KC, how about you?

 

Edited February 15 by PayDaBill$

[julian]

10 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Here's the thing, I'm able to find some middle ground there and I think we can have a genuine good faith debate, because I do think there is some truth in the media not reporting on this, just like the media doesn't report on missing women of color a whole bunch, but if it's a pretty blonde white girl it's national news. Them having a pro gun ban agenda, I don't know...I mean I think if they had any agenda at all, and if I was going to think they were legit psychopaths, I'd say they make way more money with there being mass shootings...if the media actually had an agenda to get rid of guns, I'd argue they would do a much much much better job of actually getting rid of guns...they made people believe that diamonds are actually valuable and that you need to spend a crap ton of money to buy them as an engagement ring, which was a crazy marketing and media agenda.

 

Problem is, I've had these types of conversations with people before (I was living in Ft Lauderdale when the Parkland shooting happened and thought things were really going to change after that one, and then they started getting called crisis actors...in the media and by politicians, so truly I think it might be worth re-evaluating where the agenda potentially might be, because I don't think you're trying to come at this from a bad faith argument)

 

Anyway, I truly I understand it's a highly nuanced issue and am truly open to listening and getting past the talking points that would set each other off onto conditioned tracks of conversation that are built on purpose to prevent us from being able to collaborate and compromise and actually change stuff (I dunno, feel like I learned that from George Carlin), and really listen to what you are trying to say, and not how you're saying it.

 

Here's the problem though, because this happens basically every time I try this...someone claims there are all these systemic issues leading to gun violence, but then when I mention yes, there are systemic issues like redlining and a bunch of things impacting, yes disproportionately people of color, but also people of all low socioeconomic levels, the invariable response back is that's made up, it's not true, I am not open to entertaining that line of thought for a moment, it's in the past and people need to work harder, basically...boot straps and all.

 

There is also a huge increase in hopelessness and lack of connection, which sadly is being exacerbated by income inequality and it continues to get worse and instead of coming together to figure out a solution, there has been a consistent agenda to take any possible solution, break it in half and put those solutions on two sides of a fence and prevent people from being able to talk to one another and realize the only solution is to work together. 

 

I do think there is an agenda that led to that, I do think it's a media agenda, I could listen to it being a both sides thing and in many many ways it is in terms of not reporting on actual stuff and instead just focusing on if it bleeds it leads... but I also am looking around and suddenly out of nowhere people are terrified and angry at Taylor Swift, and they were suddenly out of nowhere terrified and angry at something else and next month it will be something else.

Excellent well thought out points, many of which you and I agree upon. I’ll just say this, I believe there’s a rather large segment of government from both sides who benefit from an ongoing gun debate that will never amount to any solutions, and if that focus were to switch from the gun used in these crimes to the perpetrators and reasoning behind their actions plenty of powerful people(big pharma) wouldn’t approve.

 

I truly appreciate your view.

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, T master said:

 

I agree 100% ! But this really doesn't surprise me in todays world which is truly sad . I hope they make examples of these to f n people .

 

But as it goes they will probably get 3 hots & a cot that we will have to pay for while they also go work out at the prison gym then take a sit in the hot sauna then go to the library and then a hot meal . Some kind of justice in that ...

 

What ever happened to an eye for an eye ??? Those 2 are just sick !!! 

I’m in favor of dismembering something at the start of their time, making life more uncomfortable for ”lifers” in some way. They used to take a hand if you got caught stealing, take something from these idiots and force them to live that way. The worst I can think of is eyes or hearing. Death is an easy way out, I think living uncomfortable is worse.