Jim Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. 7 6 1 1 6 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 What does "guts" have to do with it? 4 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) There is a decent way to explain why the team would choose to move on from Tre White. A player that has been nothing short of the consummate professional and an outstanding representative of the team. And then there is the disrespectful, lazy way that you presented it. Edited February 13 by HereComesTheReignAgain 20 3 22 9 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) He may not receive a high salary on the free market, so he might accept a pay cut to stay with Buffalo and remain in the familiar system while he continues to recover. Edited February 13 by uticaclub 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: What does "guts" have to do with it? The fact that we keep guys like Damar Hamlin around cuz he's a "nice story", pay jerkoffs like Dawson Knox tons and to go into a critical season with Gabe Davis as our number two receiver despite ample proof that he ain't that guy shows that a lot of this team is governed by keep "good feelings" and that they don't wanna mess with a guy with a "nice story." Tre's been such a wonderful guy and a great teammate that he needs to be kept around despite showing for two and a half years that he won't be a difference maker when it's crunch time. Either due to literally being unavailable due to injury or just straight up getting smoked by Cincinnati's receivers. Edited February 13 by Jim 5 10 11 1 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I predict they renegotiate terms that work for both sides, and they won’t need the “guts” to just cut him outright. I’d be most surprised if they don’t at least renegotiate… 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Huh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. You should take a break. Sounds like you’re drunk sitting in your recliner all angry and bitter at the world looking for something to complain about 12 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: There is a decent way to explain why the team would choose to move on from Tre White. A player that has been nothing short of the consummate professional and an outstanding representative of the team. And then there is the disrespectful, lazy way that you presented it. Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass an wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" 1 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Jim said: The fact that we keep guys like Damar Hamlin around cuz he's a "nice story", pay jerkoffs like Dawson Knox tons and to go into a critical seasonsith Gabe Davis as our number two receiver despite ample proof that he ain't that guy shows that a lot of this team is governed by keep "good feelings" and that they don't wanna mess with a guy with a "nice story." Tre's been such a wonderful guy and a great teammate that he needs to be kept around despite showing for two and a half years that he won't be a difference maker when it's crunch time. Either due to literally being unavailable due to injury or just straight up getting smoked by Cincinnati's receivers. The Bills renegotiate with and release players every year. It's not a problem. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, NewEra said: You should take a break. Sounds like you’re drunk sitting in your recliner all angry and bitter at the world looking for something to complain about I'm a bitter Bills fan. The world does have a lot of problems, but those are too big. Complaining about how my favorite team is run is easier. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Jim said: Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass an wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" Lmao sounds like there’s a reason you’re not the boss 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Lmao sounds like there’s a reason you’re not the boss Indeed there is. If my dad was Buddy Ryan or Mike Shanahan or Andy Reid or Bill Belichick I'd probably have at least an assistant coaching job. Seems that's all you need to get an assistant job in the NFL. So that'd be a start. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Just now, Jim said: I'm a bitter Bills fan. The world does have a lot of problems, but those are too big. Complaining about how my favorite team is run is easier. There's no such thing a bitter fan. Just bitter people wearing team gear. 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The more I read about this "anchoring" technique to heal a torn achilles... no. Tre might actually be participating fully in the minicamp in a couple months. I think we restructure his deal, which would be smart, but if we get a fully healthy Tre White by minicamp, maybe McDermott and Babbich can transition Benford or Douglas to Safety. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: What does "guts" have to do with it? I like that you responded to a poster named Jim with a Gif of a Jim!!🤣🤣 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Jim said: Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass a wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" Wow, didn’t think you would double down after that first obnoxious post. Interesting strategy. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. Wouldn't it be a better idea to see where he's at before cutting him? He was an vital piece of our defense pretty much since he's been drafted and has been nothing short of a great leader back there, I think he deserves better than "let's cut his ass now". The hot takes are running wild on here!!! Edited February 13 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Wow, didn’t think you would double down after that first obnoxious post. Interesting strategy. Seriously who gives a *****? Tre White surely don't. He's been paid handsomely to play football. And unfortunately he isn't able to play football when we need him most. Therefore, there's the door Tre. Let's use the money they'd otherwise pay him to find somebody who will be helpful next January. I don't see what him being "an outstanding representative of the team" brings to a team when opposing offenses are gaining almost 10 yards a play on them in the playoffs. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Jim said: Seriously who gives a *****? Tre White surely don't. He's been paid handsomely to play football. And unfortunately he isn't able to play football when we need him most. Therefore, there's the door Tre. Let's use the money they'd otherwise pay him to find somebody who will be helpful next January. I don't see what him being "an outstanding representative of the team" brings to a team when opposing offenses are gaining almost 10 yards a play on them in the playoffs. Tre White gives a ton of *****. Money aside, he's one of the guys that truly loves football and desires to be great. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 13 Author Share Posted February 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: Wouldn't it be a better idea to see where he's at before cutting him. He was an vital piece of our defense pretty much since he's been drafted and has been nothing short of a great leader back there, I think he deserves better than "let's cut his ass now". The hot takes are running wild on here!!! Does the team have the money to sit back and see what they have with him now? I don't think they do. We can't just leave things as they are and hope things are better in August. That's how you end up with more Trent Sherfield's and Deonte Harty's at skill positions. The team needs to explore every option to bring in better talent, and since we have two starting outside cornerbacks, I can't see how it'd be smart to bring back a player who was so noticeably skittish about coming back from his ACL injury, and then performed like a joke when he finally came back later that season. We can just hold onto Tre in the hope that after a tough 2024, he's gonna come out of the other end as the old version of himself in 2025. And even if that's the best case scenario, that's not close to good enough. That would basically mean we were paying this man top dollar for 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 to either sit on the bench or play like *****. Let's let him go and thank him for being a great guy. He can go be a great guy for the NY Giants as he's getting smoked by AJ Brown. We don't need him in his current state for the amount of money he costs. Or really at any cost considering the guy hardly plays, and has played like absolute ass most of the games he's been in since his injury. 34 minutes ago, uticaclub said: He may not receive a high salary on the free market, so he might accept a pay cut to stay with Buffalo and remain in the familiar system while he continues to recover. Sure and if he accepts a highly reduced rate that allows us to make other moves fine. But if he doesn't want to, they better be able to make that so called "tough decision" pretty easily. Edited February 13 by Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Jim said: Does the team have the money to sit back and see what they have with him now? I don't think they do. We can't just leave things as they are and hope things are better in August. That's how you end up with more Trent Sherfield's and Deonte Harty's at skill positions. The team needs to explore every option to bring in better talent, and since we have two starting outside cornerbacks, I can't see how it'd be smart to bring back a player who was so noticeably skittish about coming back from his ACL injury, and then performed like a joke when he finally came back later that season. We can just hold onto Tre in the hope that after a tough 2024, he's gonna come out of the other end as the old version of himself in 2025. And even if that's the best case scenario, that's not close to good enough. That would basically mean we were paying this man top dollar for 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 to either sit on the bench or play like *****. Let's let him go and thank him for being a great guy. He can go be a great guy for the NY Giants as he's getting smoked by AJ Brown. We don't need him in his current state for the amount of money he costs. Or really at any cost considering the guy hardly plays, and has played like absolute ass most of the games he's been in since his injury. Sure and if he accepts a highly reduced rate that allows us to make other moves fine. But if he doesn't want to, they better be able to make that so called "tough decision" pretty easily. I mean they could always give him a pay cut and they will again most definitely be restructuring guys like Dawkins/Diggs/Allen etc in order to create more room. But I disagree about leaving things as is, I think we have a strong bunch of core players we just need to stay healthy. We'll be losing a bunch of players this year but I think Beane has done a really good job finding talent all throughout the draft so I think we'll be alright. I'm sure they'd make that decision if it came down to it but I'd rather keep our star players than just cut them for no reasoning, Tre was starting to turn into his old self before the injury so before I old yeller him out by the pasture I'd like to see if the old dog has anything left. Edited February 13 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Sean and Brandon at the end of the season presser sure sounded like Tre will be in their plans next year. I think they prefer a healthy Tre over Elam and want to see how he looks after he recovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Can’t even move on from him until he is healthy. He’s under contract. 2 hours ago, Jim said: Here's the thing. I'm not Brandon Beane, Sean McDipshit or Terry Pegula. They can let him down easy when they cut his ass an wish him well. I'm a fan who wants to win. It seems like Tre is a wonderful young man. But guess what? He hasn't do ***** to help us win in a long time. So guess what? So long *****. See ya when you're back to "lead the charge!" Why do I get the feeling that life is treating you the exact same way you want to treat Trey White Tell us who hurt you, sir 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: What does "guts" have to do with it? The fan base oftentimes falls in love with players and that can effect a GM’s decision to move on from players at the correct time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Governor said: The fan base oftentimes falls in love with players and that can effect a GM’s decision to move on from players at the correct time. Yeah, that’s not a thing And Before you say Demar Hamlin, that’s an NFL perception thing not a fan-based thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 57 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah, that’s not a thing And Before you say Demar Hamlin, that’s an NFL perception thing not a fan-based thing I wasn’t referring to Hamlin. He’s a fringe player. Tre White is already a great example of a player that should’ve been traded 2 seasons ago. The Bills have a different issue going on now also. Most of our players on defense aren’t tradable due to McD’s scheme. It very well could be true that not many teams were really interested in White’s services a few years ago. If you think back to Carolina and Josh Norman at his peak, there wasn’t a huge market for him compared to Revis and others because he was strictly a zone guy. He did get paid in Washington but it was clear that there wasn’t much interest elsewhere. But, it’s done. It’s fine. We didn’t get out in front of that one but the decision is easy now with White. Will Beane prove my point? I bet he does. Edited February 13 by Governor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) Just now, Governor said: I wasn’t referring to Hamlin. He’s a fringe player. What fan favorite are we hanging onto that? You might be referring to in your mind Edited February 13 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 They will either cut him, or he’ll have to take a serious cut. I expect a cut. I also expect Von to get cut even with the cap hit on both ends. Any savings is worth it as they are not helping the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 This guy is right. Zone corners aren't so important that they have to keep him and pray he comes back and balls out. They have Douglas anyway so move on and take the $6M savings. Easy call honestly. But they'll probably get it wrong anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: They will either cut him, or he’ll have to take a serious cut. I expect a cut. I also expect Von to get cut even with the cap hit on both ends. Any savings is worth it as they are not helping the team. Are you aware of the amount of cactus that it would be if we cut Von Miller? If we do this, how do we get under the 50 million over the cap we are currently I think Von Miller is on this team next year and they expect him to contribute right or wrong 40 minutes ago, Governor said: I wasn’t referring to Hamlin. He’s a fringe player. Tre White is already a great example of a player that should’ve been traded 2 seasons ago. The Bills have a different issue going on now also. Most of our players on defense aren’t tradable due to McD’s scheme. It very well could be true that not many teams were really interested in White’s services a few years ago. If you think back to Carolina and Josh Norman at his peak, there wasn’t a huge market for him compared to Revis and others because he was strictly a zone guy. He did get paid in Washington but it was clear that there wasn’t much interest elsewhere. But, it’s done. It’s fine. We didn’t get out in front of that one but the decision is easy now with White. The easy is not so easy because he’s injured. You can’t cut an injured player. It immediately goes onto your cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Crikey. This place is worse the past 24 hours than the 24 hours after our playoff loss. 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. Do we also have the guts to move on from Poyer, Morse & DaQuan. The Bills need to move on from these older vets. Morse - still a good player but he's 1 head injury away from missing extensive time he's also north of 30 and saves 8+ mil on the cap. Plus we already have his replacement in house with Bates. Bates just turned 27yrs old and has performed at a high level when he's played. The Bills have serious cap problems and can't afford for Morse to get Injured again while eating serious cap space it's time to move on from him and give Bates his chance. Poyer- Poyer is another older vet 33yrs old and has lost a step this last season do we really want him to stick around and see if he loses another this upcoming season? Poyer has around 6mil in cap savings if released and the safety market is full of young players and won't cost much to get his replacement maybe a player like Jeremy Chinn who's still young and has shown massive potential early in his career and can come in here and play at a higher level then Poyer has this last season. DaQuan - Another player that still has some game but coming off an injury and entering next season at 31yrs of age do we really want to sign him back to a 2-3 yr extension? The Bills don't have the cap space to take chances. There's potential free agents like Tair Tart or Raekwon Davis that would cost way less and play nearly as good as DaQuan. Mof I think we can sign both these players for around what it would cost to keep DaQuan. I say that's a win for us. This off-season is a great opportunity for the Bills to enter a mini reset phase get younger & cheaper. Move on from older vets and take on some young hungry players all while fixing there cap for upcoming seasons. The question is does McBeane believe these guys are even old ? I don't believe they do actually I think they will bring all of them back. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: The more I read about this "anchoring" technique to heal a torn achilles... no. Tre might actually be participating fully in the minicamp in a couple months. I think we restructure his deal, which would be smart, but if we get a fully healthy Tre White by minicamp, maybe McDermott and Babbich can transition Benford or Douglas to Safety. So u want to wait in see if this new technique will work for Tre while the team is over the cap by 45 mil ? Then if he's good move another corner that's just fine at there position to safety I don't think that's logical its time to move on and use the cap savings on a real safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Morning Jim! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 58 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: So u want to wait in see if this new technique will work for Tre while the team is over the cap by 45 mil ? Then if he's good move another corner that's just fine at there position to safety I don't think that's logical its time to move on and use the cap savings on a real safety. There is a easy route to re-negotiation and a pay cut with Tre that realises basically the same cap saving as a cut. If Tre is willing to negotiate they should. If he wants to be paid at his current rate they have to cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There is a easy route to re-negotiation and a pay cut with Tre that realises basically the same cap saving as a cut. If Tre is willing to negotiate they should. If he wants to be paid at his current rate they have to cut him. If they can keep him for near or at the cap hit if he's cut then why not otherwise he has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Jim said: It's right there in the title. The man we basically got in return for Patrick Mahomes has basically been nowhere for this team since 2021. He's due to make a ton of money in 2024 and judging by his "comeback" in 2022, it seems absolutely insane that they are gonna pay him all that money next season to fearfully rehab through November and then play like a 5th rate CB when he comes back. We also have two starting CB. Benford and Douglas. Cut Tre White's ass as soon as we can. Either that or he needs to accept a shitload less money, cuz otherwise we will just be showing that this team is not serious about winning a Super Bowl. I’d be shocked if Tre plays under his current contract this season. It’ll be a renegotiation or release. No need to get worked up about this today. The new league year doesn’t start for about a month. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Tre White would be a business decision, no guts needed. They have 2 starting CBs and a 1st rounder as their 3rd. Guts comes into play with moving on from Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Another one of those too much time on your hands off season threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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