Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It is so sad but the inescapable truth is they are just better. Almost across the board they are just better with the exception of a few spots HC Reid over McD OC Reid over Brady DC Spag over McD QB probably a push because I love Allen as my QB but even there Mahomes is probably better OL Bills improved but Chiefs are better TE until he retires Kelce is the best WR Diggs is probably still the best and as a group Bills are probably just as good or better than the Chiefs RB Cook is the best RB between both teams DL Jones is in the conversation for best DL in the league and their group is far better than Bills LB With a healthy Milano this is one position Bills may be better Secondary nickel is a push but as a group they are better and younger Kicker they have the best in the league and now Bass is a huge concern for next year Punter who cares Ownership Hunt family is iconic. Pegula saved the Bills for Buffalo. Push. As I've said repeatedly, our only hope is Allen being superhuman and willing the team to a win. Even then it might take a lucky bounce to beat them when it matters. The parallels to Brady/Belichick and Manning/Dungy are sickening. I will put my faith in Allen and hope he delivers!!! 5 2 3 3 8 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentuckyBillsFan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Thanks for the incredibly unique, thoughtful insight 3 2 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 They’re just better than everybody, but they won’t win it every year so you just gotta keep drafting for offense and get thru once or twice and win a title of your own. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think we're better than them. We just don't play like it in the big moment in the playoffs. We can beat any team in the league when we don't beat ourselves 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: It is so sad but the inescapable truth is they are just better. Almost across the board they are just better with the exception of a few spots HC Reid over McD OC Reid over Brady DC Spag over McD QB probably a push because I love Allen as my QB but even there Mahomes is probably better OL Bills improved but Chiefs are better TE until he retires Kelce is the best WR Diggs is probably still the best and as a group Bills are probably just as good or better than the Chiefs RB Cook is the best RB between both teams DL Jones is in the conversation for best DL in the league and their group is far better than Bills LB With a healthy Milano this is one position Bills may be better Secondary nickel is a push but as a group they are better and younger Kicker they have the best in the league and now Bass is a huge concern for next year Punter who cares Ownership Hunt family is iconic. Pegula saved the Bills for Buffalo. Push. As I've said repeatedly, our only hope is Allen being superhuman and willing the team to a win. Even then it might take a lucky bounce to beat them when it matters. The parallels to Brady/Belichick and Manning/Dungy are sickening. I will put my faith in Allen and hope he delivers!!! The problem with saying cook is the best RB, he coughs the ball up like no one's business. I'm tired of the drops in particular 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think we're better than them. We just don't play like it in the big moment in the playoffs. We can beat any team in the league when we don't beat ourselves and what over the history of the McDermott/Allen led Bills do you think will change. It’s literally the reason they didn’t have the 1 seed this year like the other years. Blowing games they had no business losing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think we're better than them. We just don't play like it in the big moment in the playoffs. We can beat any team in the league when we don't beat ourselves which is why we are not better than them 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: and what over the history of the McDermott/Allen led Bills do you think will change. It’s literally the reason they didn’t have the 1 seed this year like the other years. Blowing games they had no business losing And the funny thing is we actually end up getting to host KC in the playoffs this year and it still didn't matter 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: and what over the history of the McDermott/Allen led Bills do you think will change. It’s literally the reason they didn’t have the 1 seed this year like the other years. Blowing games they had no business losing I didn't say it was gonna change. I'm just saying we are the better team that doesn't play like it in the bigger moments against them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: and what over the history of the McDermott/Allen led Bills do you think will change. It’s literally the reason they didn’t have the 1 seed this year like the other years. Blowing games they had no business losing literally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, nucci said: which is why we are not better than them Not beating them in the playoffs doesn't mean we're not better. I would argue we were better team in 2021 in 13 seconds and I would also argue we were the better team this year. We should have won both games against them. Shooting yourselves in the foot doesn't mean they're better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I didn't say it was gonna change. I'm just saying we are the better team that doesn't play like it in the bigger moments against them The bold right here says we are not better. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Buffalo03 said: Not beating them in the playoffs doesn't mean we're not better. I would argue we were better team in 2021 in 13 seconds and I would also argue we were the better team this year. We should have won both games against them. Shooting yourselves in the foot doesn't mean they're better doesn't mean we're better. They keep beating us in the playoffs...at home and on the road....that means they are the better team. They have also won the last 2 Superbowls.... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: It is so sad but the inescapable truth is they are just better. Almost across the board they are just better with the exception of a few spots HC Reid over McD OC Reid over Brady DC Spag over McD QB probably a push because I love Allen as my QB but even there Mahomes is probably better OL Bills improved but Chiefs are better TE until he retires Kelce is the best WR Diggs is probably still the best and as a group Bills are probably just as good or better than the Chiefs RB Cook is the best RB between both teams DL Jones is in the conversation for best DL in the league and their group is far better than Bills LB With a healthy Milano this is one position Bills may be better Secondary nickel is a push but as a group they are better and younger Kicker they have the best in the league and now Bass is a huge concern for next year Punter who cares Ownership Hunt family is iconic. Pegula saved the Bills for Buffalo. Push. As I've said repeatedly, our only hope is Allen being superhuman and willing the team to a win. Even then it might take a lucky bounce to beat them when it matters. The parallels to Brady/Belichick and Manning/Dungy are sickening. I will put my faith in Allen and hope he delivers!!! Well to be honest they are better than 31 teams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gregg said: The bold right here says we are not better. Jesus Christ. just because we shoot ourselves in the foot doesn't mean we aren't better. Both 13 seconds and the playoff game against them this year would have been ours if a few plays go different. How many teams can say they went into Arrowhead 3 years straight and beat them? Not many Edited February 12 by Buffalo03 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, nucci said: literally? Yea literally don’t lose to Zach Wilson, Max Jones and have 12 men on the field and their 14-3 and the # 1 seed this year so yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Success breeds success. You gotta get that breakthrough. Until we do it - it’s going to loom over our heads. But once we do it - it will be 50/50 who will win. We’re right there. Our talent is on par. The difference is they know they have been there before and they know they can win. We know they have found a way to beat us every time it matters. It’s not talent. It’s mindset. And that’s hard to overcome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, gonzo1105 said: Yea literally don’t lose to Zach Wilson, Max Jones and have 12 men on the field and their 14-3 and the # 1 seed this year so yes literally is an overused word and rarely used correctly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 No arguing the Chiefs have been better but is not like the gap is huge between the two teams. Team needs to work on executing better come crunch time. Stinks their defense covered up some of the offensive inadequacies this season. However, the Chiefs are setup well into the future so you hope you can steal a Super Bowl or two during Allen's prime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, nucci said: doesn't mean we're better. They keep beating us in the playoffs...at home and on the road....that means they are the better team. They have also won the last 2 Superbowls.... 13 seconds we shouldn't have lost. We were the better team that lost on a coaching blunder. This year, for the 3rd year in a row, we went into their house and beat them. If a couple plays go differently in the playoff game, we win. Plain and simple 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Buffalo03 said: 13 seconds we shouldn't have lost. We were the better team that lost on a coaching blunder. This year, for the 3rd year in a row, we went into their house and beat them. If a couple plays go differently in the playoff game, we win. Plain and simple but we lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, nucci said: literally is an overused word and rarely used correctly Thanks for the English lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Jesus Christ. just because we shoot ourselves in the foot doesn't mean we aren't better. Both 13 seconds and the playoff game against them this year would have been ours I'd a few plays go different. How many teams can say they went into Arrowhead 3 years straight and beat them? Not many Good grief…we got every single possible break this year against the Chiefs and lost at home. We recovered three of our own fumbles, got the Hardman fumble through the EZ and got most every call by the officials…and still lost. Give it a rest. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, gonzo1105 said: Thanks for the English lesson. you're welcome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, nucci said: but we lost That. Doesn't. Mean. They're. Better. The Steelers could have beat us in the wild card game. Would that mean the Steelers are better? The Packers damn well could have and should have beat the 49ers, does that make them better if they did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Jesus Christ. just because we shoot ourselves in the foot doesn't mean we aren't better. Both 13 seconds and the playoff game against them this year would have been ours if a few plays go different. How many teams can say they went into Arrowhead 3 years straight and beat them? Not many There are 0 people outside of a few on this board who would argue that the Bills are better than the Chiefs. The objective record for the Chiefs speaks for itself. 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 Super Bowl wins in the last 5 seasons. The objective record of the Bills in last 5 seasons? 1 appearance in the AFC championship game and 4 early round exits in the playoffs. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, Buffalo03 said: That. Doesn't. Mean. They're. Better. The Steelers could have beat us in the wild card game. Would that mean the Steelers are better? The Packers damn well could have and should have beat the 49ers, does that make them better if they did? It. doesn't. mean. we're. better. Only. thing. that. matters. is. who. wins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Not beating them in the playoffs doesn't mean we're not better. I would argue we were better team in 2021 in 13 seconds and I would also argue we were the better team this year. We should have won both games against them. Shooting yourselves in the foot doesn't mean they're better Regrettably that's exactly what it means. It's just not in the way everyone thinks. The players are much closer to equal, but being a team that continues to shoot itself in the foot is a reflection on coaching. And the Chiefs don't just have better coaching than the Bills, they have the NFLs best coaching, while the bills have bottom tier coaching 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 IMO, we are still looking for an OC that can truly use Josh correctly. Daboll was the closest to using Allen the best. Hopefully, Brady can unlock the offense next year and make the juggernaut that it can be. Chiefs D has 2 outstanding CBs that they DRAFTED. Not saying that Beane is doing a bad job, but we have had some whiffs on pick that needed to hit. From top to bottom it seems the Chiefs are just getting the better of us. Draft Josh 2 great WRs in this years draft, infuse the Defense with new talent at DT, DE, and safety. Let the kids play and make mistakes. Unlock Josh's cheat key with an offense that throws the ball down the field and we have a good shot at beating KC (or anyone else) next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: There are 0 people outside of a few on this board who would argue that the Bills are better than the Chiefs. The objective record for the Chiefs speaks for itself. 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 Super Bowl wins in the last 5 seasons. The objective record of the Bills in last 5 seasons? 1 appearance in the AFC championship game and 4 early round exits in the playoffs. Do you think we can't beat the Chiefs if we play a mistake free game? Would we have no shot at all? They have beat us by one score the last 2 times. One was in a coaching blunder. Another, Allen gets hit when he throws the ball. Who know what happens. Could we have lost still? Yes. But it's not like the Chiefs have dominated us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Do you think we can't beat the Chiefs if we play a mistake free game? Would we have no shot at all? They have beat us by one score the last 2 times. One was in a coaching blunder. Another, Allen gets hit when he throws the ball. Who know what happens. Could we have lost still? Yes. But it's not like the Chiefs have dominated us Football is rarely a mistake free game. Champions overcome mistakes all the time. How many times did KC cough up the ball yesterday? I remember at least 2 instances. They still won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 32 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Punter who cares Their punter is also fantastic. big boots with lots of hangtime. SF only attempted one return which they shouldnt have dude got clobbered immediately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Good grief…we got every single possible break this year against the Chiefs and lost at home. We recovered three of our own fumbles, got the Hardman fumble through the EZ and got most every call by the officials…and still lost. Give it a rest. Yes. But that doesn't mean you don't have the better team. It's about playing the best in the 3 hours of a playoff game of which we lost by 3 freaking points. We should have won both the 13 second game and this last playoff game. Everyone here is just seeing "loss to the Chiefs in the playoffs" and thinking they are the better team. If the Chiefs blew us out, I would agree with you all completely. A 3 point loss that could have been a win if Allen doesn't get hit throwing to Shakir to make it a possibility win and then all of a sudden we're better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Jesus Christ. just because we shoot ourselves in the foot doesn't mean we aren't better. Both 13 seconds and the playoff game against them this year would have been ours if a few plays go different. How many teams can say they went into Arrowhead 3 years straight and beat them? Not many Yes, it does. The Chiefs have been to 4 Super Bowls and won 3 of them. The Bills haven't even gotten there once. The Chiefs are better. That is the reality of it. Until the Bills beat them in the playoffs and go on to win a Super Bowl then you can't make the argument the Bills are better. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, prissythecat said: There are 0 people outside of a few on this board who would argue that the Bills are better than the Chiefs. The objective record for the Chiefs speaks for itself. 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 Super Bowl wins in the last 5 seasons. The objective record of the Bills in last 5 seasons? 1 appearance in the AFC championship game and 4 early round exits in the playoffs. How much better are the 49ers than the Packers? Where would you rank the Packers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Even more impressive that we have regularly at the very worst played them evenly in recent history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Buffalo is so very close...except when the bills are decimated by injuries to the defense and shift from 3rd to 1st gear. The Chiefs somehow manage to put it in fourth gear and take off once they enter the playoffs. Regardless of where they end up in the final standings. Buffalo has yet to even win home first throughout by getting that #1 overall to get that so elusive bye week. Also, take away Travis Kelce and Andy Reid and that team is no better than Buffalo...and we might just see that soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 If we had a healthy D we would have beat the Chiefs in the playoffs this year. We could also have used Davis. We were better than them when 13 seconds happened. You don’t need to be the best team to win the Super Bowl. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think we're better than them. We just don't play like it in the big moment in the playoffs. We can beat any team in the league when we don't beat ourselves The games they play are almost dead even over the course of many games...points, lead changes, etc...most times it comes down to making or not making 2 or 3 plays a game at the right/wrong times which is enough of a difference against two teams that are essentially for all intents and purposes are dead even. The slimmest of margins they are losing in the playoffs to them the last 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Regrettably that's exactly what it means. It's just not in the way everyone thinks. The players are much closer to equal, but being a team that continues to shoot itself in the foot is a reflection on coaching. And the Chiefs don't just have better coaching than the Bills, they have the NFLs best coaching, while the bills have bottom tier coaching Do you think the 49ers are a much better team than the Packers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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