McDermott is wrong for the right reasons

[FireChans]

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Josh needs more playmakers but he played great today outside of that one play. I can very much live with the way he played today if it means 1 turnover. 

 

He was on and McD didn't even give him a shot with 20 seconds. He burned a ridiculous timeout leading up too. We have a top echelon QB, you HAVE to take your shots with 20 seconds and what should have been 2 timeouts. Absolutely have to. 

[phypon]

McD hasn't adjusted to today's NFL.  The game changes very quickly, as in 2 to 3 years quickly.  He's just not a good coach.  Team has plenty of talent.  Def too much talent to MISS the playoffs altogether.  No more excuses for that guy.  His time is done.  Thanks for him doing his thing for a few years, but he's in over his head at this point.  

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Are you a member of the national media ? 

 

I'm trying to decide who else could watch this game and think Josh Allen was any part of the reason that we lost. 

 

We dominated the Eagles by 15 minutes of TOP. 

 

Ball control doesn't matter if your DEF can't get a stop in 4th Q/OT. 

 

 

 

[MJS]

Sherfield and Harty were busts. Davis needs to walk. They need to bring in a legitimate #2 receiver and a deep threat.

 

The safety position needs an overhaul too.

[FireChans]

Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Are you a member of the national media ? 

 

I'm trying to decide who else could watch this game and think Josh Allen was any part of the reason that we lost. 

 

We dominated the Eagles by 15 minutes of TOP. 

 

Ball control doesn't matter if your DEF can't get a stop in 4th Q/OT. 

 

 

 

We lost, in part, because Josh gave the Eagles 6 points and the lead.

1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Are you a member of the national media ? 

 

I'm trying to decide who else could watch this game and think Josh Allen was any part of the reason that we lost. 

 

We dominated the Eagles by 15 minutes of TOP. 

 

Ball control doesn't matter if your DEF can't get a stop in 4th Q/OT. 

 

 

 

Our defense got two stops in the second half. Our offense scored 14 and gave them 6.

[Dirtyd415]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

We lost, in part, because Josh gave the Eagles 6 points and the lead.

No, we lost because Bass can’t hit field goals, should have never been close to an OT game

[Nitro]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

People want to ignore Allen's INTs.  His horrible throw into double coverage that was intercepted.  Eagles just closed the game with in three.  Soon they had the lead.  McD has his blame but there is a lot to spread around.

[Warcodered]

Josh threw 2 TDs and ran 2 more and should have had a 5th one if Gabe ran the right route hell shouldn't he have had a 6th one if Cook could catch the ball? How about the defense makes some stops at the end of the game. 🤷‍♂️

 

We're not even counting the times he got us in FG range but missed.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Warcodered

[juno999]

Cook dropped a td pass.  Sherfield broke outside instead of inside for a TD.  Davis - I'm not sure what that was.  Bass had a FG blocked and missed another.  Plenty of mistakes all around.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Dirtyd415 said:

No, we lost because Bass can’t hit field goals, should have never been close to an OT game

 

And Cook dropped a wide open TD pass and we had to punt instead

[Yobogoya!]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

If you’re QB gives you 400 yards of offense and 4 touchdowns, your team should either win handily or be able to survive one poor decision in the game. 

[RiotAct]

McD is the problem. Good grief, man.   Allen played out of his mind today.  Are you serious with this pile of feces post???

[Nextmanup]

JOSH ALLEN JUST PLAYED A MONSTER OF A FOOTBALL GAME.

 

HE WAS A BEAST.

 

And the OP comes up with this?

 

 BYE BYE MCDIMWITT...YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

 

 

[RyanC883]

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

 

McD IS THE MAIN PROBLEM.  

[BillsFan130]

Their offence gets 34 points , over 500 yards, Josh throws gets over 425 yards and 4 TDS.

 

In BAD weather…

And your takeaway is Josh didn’t play clean enough football?

 

You know the eagles turned it over twice right?

Did hurts play clean enough football to win?

 

I’ve seen some rough takes, this may take the cake 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Yobogoya! said:

If you’re QB gives you 400 yards of offense and 4 touchdowns, your team should either win handily or be able to survive one poor decision in the game. 

Apparently not. We lost. And Josh's TO gave the Eagles their first lead since the second Q when they were already whipping our D in the second half.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

OMG you watched that game and came away with this conclusion. 

Allen had one bad pass on a great play by the defender in what 60 attempts. He made numerous amazing plays.

Allen wins despite his support staff. 

 

The book on McDermott and his defense has been written. He pads his stats against garage QBs and he can't stop any of the good ones.  He is an absolute fraud and many of us have known it for years.

 

I truly hope the Dolphins falter so that week 17 matters.  Then he should be coaching for his job. 

[Beast]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

The BIlls are missing Milano and Daquan Jones. Other teams around the league have injuries as well.
 

Douglas is playing better than Tre White.

 

The Buffalo Bills defense under Sean McDermott continues to choke in the biggest ways, in the biggest games, under his watch.

 

The Bills gave up 30 points from the mid-3rd quarter until the end of the game. That’s 30 points in about a half of football in the biggest game of the year.

 

Sean McDermott needs to go. End of story.
 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Beast

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

OMG you watched that game and came away with this conclusion. 

Allen had one bad pass on a great play by the defender in what 60 attempts. He made numerous amazing plays.

Allen wins despite his support staff. 

 

The book on McDermott and his defense has been written. He pads his stats against garage QBs and he can't stop any of the good ones.  He is an absolute fraud and many of us have known it for years.

 

I truly hope the Dolphins falter so that week 17 matters.  Then he should be coaching for his job. 

So if McD beats the Dolphins in week 17, he should keep his job?

[BBFL]

Mental. Absolutely mental take. 
 

After this game I’m on the fire McD train…

 

And now the fire FireChans train…

JFC. 

 

[TSOL]

Josh threw 51 attempts and 1 int tonight. Josh is not the problem. 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by TSOL
Sp

[Yobogoya!]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Apparently not. We lost. And Josh's TO gave the Eagles their first lead since the second Q when they were already whipping our D in the second half.

I said “should” be able to win the game. 
 

“Apparently” something needs to change. 
 

Are you suggesting we change Josh Allen? 

[FireChans]

Just now, TSOL said:

Josh threw 51 passes and 1 int tonight. Josh is not the problem. 

 

the INT gave the Eagles the lead. It was the single biggest mistake on offense tonight.

 

Turnovers matter. I know everyone is emotional that the defense sucked (it did), but turnovers will always matter.

Just now, Yobogoya! said:

I said “should” be able to win the game. 
 

“Apparently” something needs to change. 
 

Are you suggesting we change Josh Allen? 

I made my suggestions in the OP. If he is incapable of playing clean football, we need to surround him with playmakers so it is easier to overcome and score more.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, FireChans said:

the INT gave the Eagles the lead. It was the single biggest mistake on offense tonight.

 

Turnovers matter. I know everyone is emotional that the defense sucked (it did), but turnovers will always matter.

I made my suggestions in the OP. If he is incapable of playing clean football, we need to surround him with playmakers so it is easier to overcome and score more.

You know Jalen Hurts had two turnovers right??

[Beast]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

the INT gave the Eagles the lead. It was the single biggest mistake on offense tonight.

 

Turnovers matter. I know everyone is emotional that the defense sucked (it did), but turnovers will always matter.

Seriously, you need to stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

[TSOL]

Just now, FireChans said:

the INT gave the Eagles the lead. It was the single biggest mistake on offense tonight.

 

Turnovers matter. I know everyone is emotional that the defense sucked (it did), but turnovers will always matter.

 

 

Maybe you are.playing devils advocate with this thread, I don't know what your point is, but without Josh this game would have been 10 to 37. 

[Governor]

The int didn’t affect the game at all. We scored a few minutes later.

 

This is another game entirely on McD down the stretch. All he does is blow close games.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Maybe you are.playing devils advocate with this thread, I don't know what your point is, but without Josh this game would have been 10 to 37. 

Of course, outside of that INT Josh played really well.

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

You know Jalen Hurts had two turnovers right??

I do. And if they had lost the game, it would have been the biggest reason why.

[TSOL]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Of course, outside of that INT Josh played really well

 

Fine be that way 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Of course, outside of that INT Josh played really well.

I do. And if they had lost the game, it would have been the biggest reason why.

The primary reason the bills lost was because their D collapsed again.

Plain and simple.

 

McDermotts defence

[MikePJ76]

blaming the qb...Amazing.

 

You are one of the people who said you would trade places with Houston...

 

Please do

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

the INT gave the Eagles the lead. It was the single biggest mistake on offense tonight.

 

Turnovers matter. I know everyone is emotional that the defense sucked (it did), but turnovers will always matter.

I made my suggestions in the OP. If he is incapable of playing clean football, we need to surround him with playmakers so it is easier to overcome and score more.

Turnovers matter so much that hurts had two today and won the game.

[Zag20]

29 minutes ago, MJS said:

Sherfield and Harty were busts. Davis needs to walk. They need to bring in a legitimate #2 receiver and a deep threat.

 

The safety position needs an overhaul too.

I think the WR coach needs to be under fire, because Sherfield and Davis both made idiotic choices on potential touchdown throws. Davis is in a contract year, he obviously WANTS o be as good as he can be. You can see him owning the failure. Who is coaching these guys to mess up?

[Warcodered]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Apparently not. We lost. And Josh's TO gave the Eagles their first lead since the second Q when they were already whipping our D in the second half.

Hurts INT and Fumble guess the Eagles double lossed....oh they must of canceled out.

[transplantbillsfan]

52 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We all know McD wants complementary football, he wants a strong running attack to help control TOP. There are mixed opinions on this.

 

The reason McD wants this is because:

 

1. This defense is not that good (and significantly injured)

 

2. Josh Allen turns the ball over to turn wins into losses

 

Just now, we lost an Eagles game where we had 10 pt lead for a large portion of the game.

The Eagles started to come back, but we matched them for score. Until Josh threw, yet another, bad decision INT, gave them the short field, which gave them the lead and control of this game.

 

Josh Allen is incapable of playing clean football, and this is going to continue to cost the Bills wins.  Maybe McD is right and ball control is the way to go.

 

I personally think we need to surround Josh with playmakers so when he, inevitably it seems, tries to give the game away, we can score fast and outpace his mental errors.

 

But McD isn't wrong about the problem, I think he's wrong about the solution.

 

You're honestly such a freaking troll. Watch more football. Josh Allen was the reason the Bills weren't merely in that game but should have won it.

 

Did Josh drop a perfect pass that would have been a TD?

 

No, that was Cook.

 

Did Josh miss 2 FGs?

 

No, that was Bass.

 

Did Josh run the wrong route on what would have been the GW TD? 

 

No, that was Davis.

 

Josh was Hercules today and his team let him down. That includes his HC, because I agree with you on the McDermott stuff.

 

But give me a ***** break. Josh was a Hero today. Go root for another team if you think that level of QB play isn't enough.

49 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We lost, in part, because Josh gave the Eagles 6 points and the lead.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

45 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

JOSH ALLEN JUST PLAYED A MONSTER OF A FOOTBALL GAME.

 

HE WAS A BEAST.

 

And the OP comes up with this?

 

 BYE BYE MCDIMWITT...YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED.

 

 

 

The OP decided today was a really good day to show his true colors. He's either a troll or a moron and I can't figure out which.

 

Anyone legitimately putting any significant chunk of blame of this loss on Allen is simply either stupid or a troll. I'm not even violating CoC here because this is just true. @FireChans should really be apologizing to all of us for either being blatantly wrong or blatantly trying to troll all of us.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

44 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So if McD beats the Dolphins in week 17, he should keep his job?

Yes if he makes the playoffs and beats the Dolphins he should get one more chance in 2024. I'm just being realistic. No way he is getting fired if he gets this team to the playoffs from here.

Reality is he has almost zero chance of getting fired unless Allen gives Pegula an ultimatum which is not going to happen. But if the defense somehow fails in a win or go home scenario in week 17 maybe Pegula will be mad enough to make a change.