Why does Josh hesitate now?

[PromoTheRobot]

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

[cgg716]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

I'd say it's part McDermott and part the receivers

[Heavy Kevi]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

 

Opposing teams know the plays - some of them have said as such.

 

The offense looks like it's called by a 14 year old Madden addict that just slammed 2 red bulls and wants to hit a 75 yard TD so he can get to the bathroom asap.

[machine gun kelly]

PTR, we’ll know more when the All 22 comes out tomorrow.  There’s a couple of guys who do a write up so I’d say hold tight.  I was going to do the same, but I’m just too busy during the work week.

[Ramza86]

Bengals mixed Josh up really well. 

 

But the worst part was that the bengals entire D line would penetrate regardless of how many rushers it send.

 

I saw them rush 3 a handful of times and all 3 would get to the QB everytime.

 

Disgusting.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t know. Josh looks the same to me. Looked like the same game I watched last year vs Cincinnati. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

After the first drive, I think that the Bengals started taking away his first read. Lou Anarumo is a really good DC who will make adjustments from drive to drive.

[BananaB]

Because he has no trust in the WRs besides Diggs and now Kincaid. Beane didn’t go out and improve the group, he brought in jags just like he does with the oline every year.  He doubled down on Davis, gave everybody his injury excuses for last year and right now nothing has changed. 

[Coach Tuesday]

He is trying to figure out how to pick the lock on the fly post-snap.  He is not doing the work leading up to the games and pre-snap so he has to find solutions during live fire.  It may be generational - perhaps after 13 Seconds he decided he wasn’t getting the immediate result so why bother.

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

 

It's nothing new. He's always had these ups and downs. One week he slings it on his first read up and down the field, the next week he's double and triple clutching.

 

What he is missing is someone capable of helping him figure it out.

[Yobogoya!]

A combination of:

 

 - overcoaching his instincts out of him

 - lack of trust in what he's seeing

 - lack of ability to separate by our receivers

 

Pick your percentage combination of the three. 

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

Maybe the D is changing the look of the play at the last minute and he has not yet figured out what they are doing? 

[billsfanmiamioh]

I think he’s mentally wrecked right now. Looks like rookie Josh. Some flashes of brilliance with a bunch of panicking in the pocket, although now he’s had the running taken away which used to be the fall back.
 

Coaching? Off the field stuff?  Supporting cast? Combo of all the above? Who knows. Seems to me like he’s on full tilt and I don’t believe the current staff can pull him out of it. 

[Brandon]

I wonder if some of this is that the WRs have multiple route options on each play and that they're not where Josh is expecting them to be. That may or may not be part of the problem, but if it is, it would explain his hesitation and probably also his over-reliance on Diggs.

[Nuncha]

We ran a reverse pass for the first time in who knows how long and the Bengals knew EXACTLY what we were doing.  Even our "wrinkle" plays are horrible.  This offense doesn't fool anyone. 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Nuncha

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Are his receivers not getting open? Did he not trust what he sees? Is McDermott in his head telling him not to turn it over? Did Cincinnati know what players were were running?

 

All I saw was Allen pulling his arm down on his first read all night. Then his pocket collapses. What the hell is going on there?

 

IMO, Josh is not as good as the other Superstar QB's standing in the pocket and making good throws.  He does tend to hang on too long and the pocket caves.  He's not a great thinker, he's an instincts QB.   So he's much better than most, however,  at moving around, throwing on the run, or running decisively.  That should be his game.  And it's an admission of failure that in several games, we see the offensive plan blown up and Josh saying the hell with it I'm gonna run and play on instincts.. and then they do well.  If not for the Kincaid fumble, I think Buffalo may have tied that game up late.

 

And on another note, all this low-energy vibe stuff is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Just play the game and be into it.  It's just weird seeing him sit on the bench stone faced.  He never used to do that.  It's probably an extension of tight ass McDermott never keeping the room loose.  

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, zow2 said:

 

IMO, Josh is not as good as the other Superstar QB's standing in the pocket and making good throws.  He does tend to hang on too long and the pocket caves.  He's not a great thinker, he's an instincts QB.   So he's much better than most, however,  at moving around, throwing on the run, or running decisively.  That should be his game.  And it's an admission of failure that in several games, we see the offensive plan blown up and Josh saying the hell with it I'm gonna run and play on instincts.. and then they do well.  If not for the Kincaid fumble, I think Buffalo may have tied that game up late.

 

And on another note, all this low-energy vibe stuff is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  Just play the game and be into it.  It's just weird seeing him sit on the bench stone faced.  He never used to do that.  It's probably an extension of tight ass McDermott never keeping the room loose.  

He looks like late-stage Big Ben out there trying to figure things out amid a collapsing pocket.

[Dillenger4]

12 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Because he has no trust in the WRs besides Diggs and now Kincaid. Beane didn’t go out and improve the group, he brought in jags just like he does with the oline every year.  He doubled down on Davis, gave everybody his injury excuses for last year and right now nothing has changed. 

This narrative is just plain silly. We have Diggs, Kincaid, Shakir is a weapon. Even Cook was open for short dump screens last night and Josh looks the other way. I know we don't have the "best" receivers in the AFC but c'mon - we have capable guys who have proved it already.

I watched the game too and I see a QB who doesn't understand the "full" play called as in he doesn't look at his escape options - ever.

Also, the plays being called are pop warner. Defenses can cover us now.

[BuffaloRebound]

5 minutes ago, Nuncha said:

We ran a reverse pass for the first time in who knows how long and the Bengals knew EXACTLY what we were doing.  Even our "wrinkle" plays are horrible.  This offense doesn't fool anyone. 

A reverse with Murray and Shakir is scaring nobody.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

A reverse with Murray and Shakir is scaring nobody.  

Bingo.