Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I figured 3 Hopkins threads were enough so I thought a different thread might be fun. Is their an opinion that you have changed or evolved over a period of time? Mine involves positions worthy of a first round pick. I defended teams like the Colts taking a probable HOF guard with a top 10 pick in the past and at the time. Many others said it was crazy to take a guard that high. Same with TE when I wanted Hockenson over Oliver. In a relatively short period of time I've changed my thought. Even if a player ends up a ProBowl level talent there are just so many positions that don't matter enough to warrant a first round pick. For me its a combination of the true value they bring to winning and also the opportunity to get a player at the same position that can play at a high level much later in the draft. Positions I would take in the first round: 1. QB 2. LT 3. WR 4. DE/edge 5. CB Positions I might take in the first round: 1. DT 2. TE 3. RT Positions I would never take in the first round: 1. Obviously K and P 2. LB 3. S 4. RB 5. IOL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Some of my opinions begin as protoplasmic proteins, but by the time they reach this board they are fairly self-assured and reasonably correct, even when they're not 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 IOL & LB are the positions I’ve probably evolved my opinion on the most. IOL.. I would absolutely draft in RD1. LB.. I would absolutely NOT draft in RD1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills fan since 87 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) I was of the opinion that it was a mistake to draft Allen over Rosen. I quickly learned what my wife has been trying to tell me for years, I'm an idiot Edited May 28, 2023 by Bills fan since 87 1 1 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Dawson Knox is not good. -> Dawson might have potential -> Dawson is not good, he cant catch, block or run routes. Full circle evolution. Likeable guy, has had a few moments but... Not everyone is, or can be good or great. High hopes for Kincaid though. Paraphrasing Bill Belicheck: If were talking about his ability to catch the ball, (a wr) thats a problem. Edited May 29, 2023 by babulator 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 As I get older I get more cynical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said: As I get older I get more cynical. I really doubt that is true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Augie said: I really doubt that is true. Get off my lawn! Edited May 27, 2023 by TBBills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: Get off my lawn! I doubt you even have a lawn. 😋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I doubt you even have a lawn. 😋 Oh you SOB, it's desert landscape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, TBBills Fan said: Oh you SOB, it's desert landscape So, I was right again. 😋 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 My opinions change all the time based upon updated perspective and simple learning. Those who think they know everything never do. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) I always thought that "I am leaving for good" meant the individual making the statement was leaving for good. * Apparently, my opinion was wrong. 🤔😕 Edited May 27, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Augie said: So, I was right again. 😋 Just because the grass isn't green doesn't mean you can piss all over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: Just because the grass isn't green doesn't mean you can piss all over it Even if it’s covered in snow? That seems unlikely, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Augie said: Even if it’s covered in snow? That seems unlikely, but you never know. I'm the only person allowed to.write my name in the snow with pee. Damn you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Interesting post topic. Thanks. My thoughts on going for it on 4th down have changed over time. I currently believe that if you have an above average offense and your at the 50 yard line or on the other team's side of the field, I would recommend going for it a lot more than when I first started watching and playing football in the late 80s. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 One topic of mine that has involved in the opposite direction is Special Teams. Guys like Tasker made a difference in multiple facets and Special Teams gunners, blockers, and tacklers made a team. For the life of me, I have come to believe that McDermott believes that every team is required to have a handful of players that do nothing for you. Most of these players are what we call "Special Teams" aces. The Bills have had few of these in actuality, yet they seem required to give a roster spot each year to Taiwan Jones. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 If you ask certain people, evolution is not real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Being that 100 percent of ALL draft picks are for need, and if you truly have a franchise QB, you need to do two things, 1) protect him, 2) give him weapons. Then you draft according to those needs. In this era of the NFL offense is the more important side of the ball, if you can’t out score your opponents, you lose. Do ya hear me Sean? You to Brandon.., 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: IOL & LB are the positions I’ve probably evolved my opinion on the most. IOL.. I would absolutely draft in RD1. LB.. I would absolutely NOT draft in RD1. So good LB's don't come in round 1? that's why would not draft LB in round 1? Am I getting this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: So good LB's don't come in round 1? that's why would not draft LB in round 1? Am I getting this correct? I don’t value the position in RD1 Give me a stout DL with fast, twitchy LB’ers drafted on Day 2 & Day 3. They may be undersized, because the ones with size who are also fast & twitchy will go RD1, but if we have a DL that keeps them clean, shouldn’t matter a ton in the modern NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 29 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don’t value the position in RD1 Give me a stout DL with fast, twitchy LB’ers drafted on Day 2 & Day 3. They may be undersized, because the ones with size who are also fast & twitchy will go RD1, but if we have a DL that keeps them clean, shouldn’t matter a ton in the modern NFL. We are only discussing the bolded, where you value them elsewhere and other positions is not the point. The point is... IT depends on the draft for any position but in general? Many great LBS came out of round 1. so for me saying that does not make sense. but its your opinion and i respect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 If I say my opinion doesn't matter, does that mean that it does? If so I don't mean that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Where I've changed over the years is looking at things more from the General Manager's perspective than my own. I used to see things a GM would do or not do and get upset about them from my own point of view. Now, having seen how Beane operates over the past number of years, I look at things more about how I expect him to address things rather than how I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 3 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: As I get older I get more cynical. Or pragmatic my Tampa friend. When the season starts if you want to catch a game, pm me. I live in Westchase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 3 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: So good LB's don't come in round 1? that's why would not draft LB in round 1? Am I getting this correct? There are good LBs in round 1. But even the best ones don't make enough plays to make a difference. Corners and edge rushers are more critical pieces of your defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) You take the LB with pass rushing ability, no question. Micah Parsons and his 4.3 forty is going first round in every draft. You don’t know how these guys will pan out, so it’s easy to say “take the Brian Urlacher or Ray Lewis types,” but if he can rush the passer or has a feel for the game like he knows what plays are coming, he’s worth a 1st round selection. Edited May 28, 2023 by JayBaller10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 6 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: You take the LB with pass rushing ability, no question. Micah Parsons and his 4.3 forty is going first round in every draft. You don’t know how these guys will pan out, so it’s easy to say “take the Brian Urlacher or Ray Lewis types,” but if he can rush the passer or has a feel for the game like he knows what plays are coming, he’s worth a 1st round selection. Good point. That’s why I said DE/edge. He was always a pass rusher first just like Miller. I think Dallas is moving him to DE full time this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 12 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Being that 100 percent of ALL draft picks are for need, and if you truly have a franchise QB, you need to do two things, 1) protect him, 2) give him weapons. Then you draft according to those needs. In this era of the NFL offense is the more important side of the ball, if you can’t out score your opponents, you lose. Do ya hear me Sean? You to Brandon.., 😂 Yeah, Sean. Yeah, Brandon. Second in points per game in the entire NFL just won’t do. Doesn’t matter that we scored more per game than the Eagles, Vikes and yes, even the Bengals. 👎👎👎👎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomur67 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I think you first have to evaluate what you already have on your team before you can say you will never draft a certain position in the first round. Your weakest position or greatest need could be at any position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dopey said: Yeah, Sean. Yeah, Brandon. Second in points per game in the entire NFL just won’t do. Doesn’t matter that we scored more per game than the Eagles, Vikes and yes, even the Bengals. 👎👎👎👎 You missed the point, it was sarcasm, note the lol face…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I used to think that cheese and fish were disgusting. Now they are two of my favorite foods (just not together). What was I thinking? I was but a child, and I have seen the error of my ways. Is this what we are looking for? The game has changed, so my opinions have changed. That’s how I tell myself I was never wrong. 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 I used to think being a “true fan” of a sports team was more important than the actual enjoyment that I got out of watching them play. As I got older and my life got more complicated overlapping with the Bills suckage dragging on for 17 straight seasons, I realized the enjoyment was the most important part and if I wasn’t enjoying it it wasn’t worth the time invested in it. I’m pretty sure this realization coincided with the McKelvin fumbled KO return that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against the Pats*** on MNF. After that loss, before the current regime, if I had something better to do on a Sunday than torture myself with inept football I did it. It’s been a welcome evolution. Wins are just as much fun, but losses sting a lot less and life goes on in minutes to hours instead of days… and I don’t feel any less the “true fan” despite the attitude adjustment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 17 hours ago, SCBills said: Give me a stout DL with fast, twitchy LB’ers drafted on Day 2 & Day 3. Wouldn't that indicate a meth addiction? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 17 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Or pragmatic my Tampa friend. When the season starts if you want to catch a game, pm me. I live in Westchase. I'm down for that. I'm over in Odessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: I'm down for that. I'm over in Odessa Cool, that’s not far at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Cool, that’s not far at all. For sure. There's a few good bills backers bars over here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Wouldn't that indicate a meth addiction? 🤔 Have you seen Bears On Coke? I bet they could wreck an offense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Have you seen Bears On Coke? I bet they could wreck an offense! Was this the cover of the VHS / Blu Ray?: Edited May 28, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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