Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[TheyCallMeAndy]

You all realize Hopkins gets to choose where he goes, right?

 

He will get more targets, money, and better chance of winning a ring if he signs with KC. 

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

have you heard anything else? 

 

Nothing new, if I hear anything I will post it.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

You all realize Hopkins gets to choose where he goes, right?

 

He will get more targets, money, and better chance of winning a ring if he signs with KC. 

he literally named Josh Allen as his #1 QB he’d like to play with.

 

he won’t get more $ from KC. They have less cap wiggle room than us.

 

his targets can be apprx the same here as in KC. He’s option 1B in both places

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Beane lets this happen, especially considering the Chiefs are in even worse cap shape than we are, he will be gone within 3 years. Book it.

 

Here's the thing - we have a much better array of receiving weapons with Diggs, Kincaid, Knox, Davis, and pass catching backs like Cook and Hines than KC has with Kelce, their lackluster WR core, and style of Backs.

 

So if KC offers the same as we do, he may prefer to go to KC where he will clearly be the #1 WR and won't have incentives cut into from another WR like Diggs.

 

We could offer as much as we can. We could make that offer you posted from Cover 1. We could do that and KC could still land Hopkins through no fault of Beane's.

 

It's not as simple as just if Beane wants it and makes that offer, Hopkins is ours.

Edited May 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

You all realize Hopkins gets to choose where he goes, right?

 

He will get more targets, money, and better chance of winning a ring if he signs with KC. 

He'll always be viewed as more of a Kevin Durant to the Warriors if that happens.  Coming here he could be looked at as the guy who finally pushed the Bills over the top to win their first Super Bowl.  That would be my sales pitch at least.  

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Here's the thing - we have a much better array of receiving weapons with Diggs, Kincaid, Knox, Davis, and pass catching backs like Cook and Hines than KC has with Kelce, their lackluster WR core, and style of Backs.

 

So if KC offers the same as we do, he may prefer to go to KC where he will clearly be the #1 WR and won't have incentives cut into from another WR like Diggs.

 

We could offer as much as we can. We could make that offer you posted from Cover 1. We could do that and KC could still land Hopkins through no fault of Beane's.

 

Honestly man I don't want to hear the excuses. There are things Beane can do to make Hopkins affordable. The nuclear option would be trading Ed Oliver. Anything is better than letting another AFC team, especially the Chiefs, acquire him.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by HappyDays

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Here's the thing - we have a much better array of receiving weapons with Diggs, Kincaid, Knox, Davis, and pass catching backs like Cook and Hines than KC has with Kelce, their lackluster WR core, and style of Backs.

 

So if KC offers the same as we do, he may prefer to go to KC where he will clearly be the #1 WR and won't have incentives cut into from another WR like Diggs.

 

We could offer as much as we can. We could make that offer you posted from Cover 1. We could do that and KC could still land Hopkins through no fault of Beane's.

Really rather grand that apparently Hopkins will both choose KC over Buffalo because 1) they are better than us and give him a greater possibility of winning a SB and 2) they are also not as good as us possessing fewer offensive playmakers so Hopkins would have greater opportunities to shine and gain incentive money. 

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Here's the thing - we have a much better array of receiving weapons with Diggs, Kincaid, Knox, Davis, and pass catching backs like Cook and Hines than KC has with Kelce, their lackluster WR core, and style of Backs.

 

So if KC offers the same as we do, he may prefer to go to KC where he will clearly be the #1 WR and won't have incentives cut into from another WR like Diggs.

 

We could offer as much as we can. We could make that offer you posted from Cover 1. We could do that and KC could still land Hopkins through no fault of Beane's.

 

It's not as simple as just if Beane wants it and makes that offer, Hopkins is ours.

Reid + Mahomes + Kelce + their OL > Bills Current Offense

 

Kelce gets as many targets as Diggs

 

it seems simple enough that Hopkins chooses BUF if the offers are the same. He’s openly praised the franchise multiple times. He hasn’t done that with KC. He named Allen as the top QB he wants to play with. His Buffalo Solider thing wasn’t a coincidence. He obviously knew there was a real chance he was being traded here at that time

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He'll always be viewed as more of a Kevin Durant to the Warriors if that happens.  Coming here he could be looked at as the guy who finally pushed the Bills over the top to win their first Super Bowl.  That would be my sales pitch at least.  

 

I had that exact thought, but you beat me to it. Strangely, he might “contribute” more in KC, but “mean” more to the Bills. 

[Warriorspikes51]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Honestly man I don't want to hear the excuses. There are things Beane can do to make Hopkins affordable. The nuclear option would be trading Ed Oliver. Anything is better than letting another AFC team, especially the Chiefs, acquired him.

Restructure Tre White and offer DHop the Cover1 proposal 3 years 42 mil, up to 54 mil with incentives. 28 mil guaranteed with void years and spread the cap hit. It works. 4 mil hit this year, 6.5 mil hit next year

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Reid + Mahomes + Kecle > Bills Current Offense

 

Kelce gets as many targets as Diggs

 

Yes, but what do they have besides Kelce? Their WR core is MVS and Toney. They have 1 good receiving Back in McKinnon.

 

Kelce and Diggs may be a wash. But Kincaid, Davis, Knox, Cook, Harty, and Hines are going to cut into his opportunities more than MVS, Toney, Moore, and McKinnon will - if Kelce and Diggs are a wash.

 

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Honestly man I don't want to hear the excuses. There are things Beane can do to make Hopkins affordable. The nuclear option would be trading Ed Oliver. Anything is better than letting another AFC team, especially the Chiefs, acquired him.

 

I thought you were level headed. When did you all of a sudden become the 'do whatever it takes or we're doomed' guy?

 

We could offer the same or offer more and there's a chance he still would prefer Mahomes, Reid, and KC over us. That's not "excuses".

 

14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Really rather grand that apparently Hopkins will both choose KC over Buffalo because 1) they are better than us and give him a greater possibility of winning a SB and 2) they are also not as good as us possessing fewer offensive playmakers so Hopkins would have greater opportunities to shine and gain incentive money. 

 

I never said "they're better than us and give him a greater possibility of winning a SB". Even if I did (which I didn't), both can be true. They can have the better team all around between all of the positions combined on the field and coaching (again, I'm not saying they do) and still be weaker at the skill positions.

Edited May 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I thought you were level headed. When did you all of a sudden become the 'do whatever it takes or we're doomed' guy?

 

My level head tells me that if we have to contend against Kelce/Hopkins and Chase/Higgins for the next two years, we become dark horse Super Bowl candidates. Who knows what happens after that but I'm not comfortable waiting to find out.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by HappyDays

[Solomon Grundy]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Kelce and Diggs may be a wash. But Kincaid, Davis, Knox, Cook, Harty, and Hines are going to cut into his opportunities more than MVS, Toney, Moore, and McKinnon will.

I know opposing DBs fear Hopkins. I can't say the same about the guys mentioned above with the exception of Diggs/Kelce

Edited May 28, 2023 by Solomon Grundy

[TheyCallMeAndy]

30 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

he literally named Josh Allen as his #1 QB he’d like to play with.

 

he won’t get more $ from KC. They have less cap wiggle room than us.

 

his targets can be apprx the same here as in KC. He’s option 1B in both places

You’d be crazy to think that Josh and Pat aren’t interchangeable in his mind. 
 

Bills have 600k more than KC does, both teams will have to do gymnastics to get it done.

 

Even with same money, I still feel he gets more targets in KC with Kelsey getting up there in age (35, I think?)
 

I hope it’s Buffalo though. 

Edited May 28, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yes, but what do they have besides Kelce? Their WR core is MVS and Toney. They have 1 good receiving Back in McKinnon.

 

Kelce and Diggs may be a wash. But Kincaid, Davis, Knox, Cook, Harty, and Hines are going to cut into his opportunities more than MVS, Toney, Moore, and McKinnon will - if Kelce and Diggs are a wash.

 

 

I thought you were level headed. When did you all of a sudden become the 'do whatever it takes or we're doomed' guy?

 

We could offer the same or offer more and there's a chance he still would prefer Mahomes, Reid, and KC over us. That's not "excuses".

 

 

I never said "they're better than us and give him a greater possibility of winning a SB". Even if I did (which I didn't), both can be true. They can have the better team all around between all of the positions combined on the field and coaching (again, I'm not saying they do) and still be weaker at the skill positions.

KC traded up in the 2nd and took WR Rashee Rice.  They spread the ball around regardless.  His opportunities here can be as much as they would in KC. 

 

Diggs 110 receptions

Hopkins 90 receptions

 

Allen had 359 completions last year

 

Estimate he gets to 380 this season

 

so 200/380 go to Diggs & Dhop. Seems realistic to me!

 

that leaves 70 for Kincaid, 50 for Davis, then 60 between Harty, Sherfield, Shorter, Shakir & the RBs 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

You’d be crazy to think that Josh and Pat aren’t interchangeable in his mind. 
 

Bills have 600k more than KC does, both teams will have to do gymnastics to get it done.

 

Even with same money, I still feel he gets more targets in KC. 
 

I hope it’s Buffalo though. 

He'll maybe get more targets because Reid will scheme things up for him. Jury is still out on Dorsey 

[HappyDays]

I can't believe some fans are already trying to rationalize Hopkins possibly going to KC over us. It's an unmitigated disaster if that happens, period. The next time Davis drops a pass that costs us the #1 seed I'll look at our salary cap table and feel better I guess.

[TBBills Fan]

Cardinals are already throwing shade at Hopkins....saying he didn't want to play the last 2 games even though he was healthy and that "rubbed people the wrong way'

 

I think Deion Sanders would call that a business decision. 

 

Either way the Cardinals are a dumpster fire.  

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He'll always be viewed as more of a Kevin Durant to the Warriors if that happens.  Coming here he could be looked at as the guy who finally pushed the Bills over the top to win their first Super Bowl.  That would be my sales pitch at least.  

 

 

Yeah if he goes to KC he will be seen as having just gone along for the ride.    Those rings are empty.   He may not care about that but there is no question about it, IMO.   And considering that there hasn't been a REPEAT SB winner in a generation his odds of winning one with Buffalo are probably about the same,  all things considered.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

Cardinals are already throwing shade at Hopkins....saying he didn't want to play the last 2 games even though he was healthy and that "rubbed people the wrong way'

 

I think Deion Sanders would call that a business decision. 

 

Either way the Cardinals are a dumpster fire.  

Randy Moss on the Raiders type thing. Look what happened when the “aging” Moss got a top QB throwing him the ball

[Warriorspikes51]

Hopkins may still be a Top 5 WR with an elite QB throwing to him. Having 2 on the field together gives your team a competitive advantage over pretty much everyone

[Dr. Who]

16 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I never said "they're better than us and give him a greater possibility of winning a SB". Even if I did (which I didn't), both can be true. They can have the better team all around between all of the positions combined on the field and coaching (again, I'm not saying they do) and still be weaker at the skill positions.

I know. Another poster made that assertion. I was only remarking the quite contrary rational accounts that seemingly always end up with Hopkins a Chief. 

[TBBills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Randy Moss on the Raiders type thing. Look what happened when the “aging” Moss got a top QB throwing him the ball

Records were broke.  

 

Im all for it

[Starr Almighty]

I have a question for those that don't want him. Why does it matter if he goes to KC? He must not be good for you don't want him on your team.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

I have a question for those that don't want him. Why does it matter if he goes to KC? He must not be good for you don't want him on your team.

the cap watchers are a nervous wreck just thinking about the ramifications in 2026-2028! (Nevermind $ can always be moved around and the cap is going way up) 

 

YOU WILL COMPLY with their budget for the Bills and like it!

[GoBills808]

I'm not sure people understand how good this guy is

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm not sure people understand how good this guy is

his drop rate is 1% over the last 3-4 seasons.

 

I’ll say it again: that is something the Bills badly need. We led the league in drops. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BobBelcher said:

It’s people’s defense mechanisms already kicking in because they believe  Hopkins will end up somewhere else. 

Got it.  I think there’s a very good chance that he ends up somewhere else.  
 

If playing for a Super Bowl and with an elite QB is his only agenda, I think we have a good chance.  
 

After some thought, I believe that he had that opportunity already- Buffalo and KC were rumored to be the only 2 two teams that seriously inquired about trading for him. It’s my belief, that a trade could have and likely would have happened…. If he was willing to negotiate a new contract and give up some money.  But he didn’t. The money absolutely matters to him.  
 

I think he signs with whichever team offers him the most guaranteed money.  I don’t think that’s going to be us. That said-  there’s a good chance that I have no idea what I’m talking about and the bills could be the front runner because playing with Josh allen and competing for a SB is his preference.  🤣 

[JaCrispy]

Honestly? I have a hard time seeing how we stop both Kelce AND Hopkins- if he ends up going to KC…We can barely beat them with just Kelce…

 

Also, signing DeAndre kills two birds with one stone- improving the Bills, and keeping him away from improving our rivals…One could argue that Beane is almost forced to find a way to get him, or he’s essentially sealing the fate of the 2023 Bills…

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by JaCrispy

[4merper4mer]

35 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I can't believe some fans are already trying to rationalize Hopkins possibly going to KC over us. It's an unmitigated disaster if that happens, period. The next time Davis drops a pass that costs us the #1 seed I'll look at our salary cap table and feel better I guess.

Davis is the new Edmunds.  He’s already cost us the 2023 season.  Poor Ed Oliver can’t even get a good job as a preemptive scapegoat.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Got it.  I think there’s a very good chance that he ends up somewhere else.  
 

If playing for a Super Bowl and with an elite QB is his only agenda, I think we have a good chance.  
 

After some thought, I believe that he had that opportunity already- Buffalo and KC were rumored to be the only 2 two teams that seriously inquired about trading for him. It’s my belief, that a trade could have and likely would have happened…. If he was willing to negotiate a new contract and give up some money.  But he didn’t. The money absolutely matters to him.  
 

I think he signs with whichever team offers him the most guaranteed money.  I don’t think that’s going to be us. That said-  there’s a good chance that I have no idea what I’m talking about and the bills could be the front runner because playing with Josh allen and competing for a SB is his preference.  🤣 

maybe we won’t offer as much $ as the Panthers, Falcons, Browns, etc

 

 but we can offer a fair amount (more $ than OBJ got) if we want to

[Jrb1979]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm not sure people understand how good this guy is

I'm not sure people understand who little cap space the Bills have. I see him going to Baltimore. They have the cap space. Maybe he signs with the Jets. 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Got it.  I think there’s a very good chance that he ends up somewhere else.  
 

If playing for a Super Bowl and with an elite QB is his only agenda, I think we have a good chance.  
 

After some thought, I believe that he had that opportunity already- Buffalo and KC were rumored to be the only 2 two teams that seriously inquired about trading for him. It’s my belief, that a trade could have and likely would have happened…. If he was willing to negotiate a new contract and give up some money.  But he didn’t. The money absolutely matters to him.  
 

I think he signs with whichever team offers him the most guaranteed money.  I don’t think that’s going to be us. That said-  there’s a good chance that I have no idea what I’m talking about and the bills could be the front runner because playing with Josh allen and competing for a SB is his preference.  🤣 

He has some weird agent that is persona non grata in the NFL.  I don’t know the details but usually that stuff means it’s 100% about the money which is fine and his prerogative.  There are probably 15 teams or more out there that can out-$ the Bills and Chiefs by a ton.  It only takes one.  The money Baltimore gave Beckham was beyond stupid and someone will do similar for Hopkins.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

I'm not sure people understand who little cap space the Bills have. I see him going to Baltimore. They have the cap space. Maybe he signs with the Jets. 

here we go again with the CAP!! 
 

Teams who have Owners that are willing to throw Cash $ around get to play by a slightly different set of rules.

 

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I'm not sure people understand who little cap space the Bills have. I see him going to Baltimore. They have the cap space. Maybe he signs with the Jets. 

If you make a lot of it a signing bonus, you can sign him to a low first year cap hit. Pegula has the cash to make that move. They could still restructure Tre White and a few others to create cap space. They could trade Ed Oliver. If they want to get him, they can do it.

[All_Pro_Bills]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

the cap watchers are a nervous wreck just thinking about the ramifications in 2026-2028! (Nevermind $ can always be moved around and the cap is going way up) 

 

YOU WILL COMPLY with their budget for the Bills and like it!

If the cost of winning a championship is a cap issue and a couple losing seasons in 3 years then I'm on board with that scenario.  

We're past settling for 12 win seasons and a playoff game or two ending with some coaching gaffe or some one in a million type play to end the game.  The window is open now.  Go for it!

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

maybe we won’t offer as much $ as the Panthers, Falcons, Browns, etc

 

 but we can offer a fair amount (more $ than OBJ got) if we want to

What’s a fair amount more than that? 18-20 mill?  Obj got 15-18.  
 

other teams may be inclined to guarantee him 25-30M 

 

I could see the jets- already seeing this as all in for 2 years- guarantees him 20-25M over 2 seasons-  

 

they can cut Corey Davis on the spot and save around 11M.  

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, NewEra said:

What’s a fair amount more than that? 18-20 mill?  Obj got 15-18.  
 

other teams may be inclined to guarantee him 25-30M 

 

I could see the jets- already seeing this as all in for 2 years- guarantees him 20-25M over 2 seasons-  

 

they can cut Corey Davis on the spot and save around 11M.  

we can offer 28 mil guaranteed (see Cover 1’s breakdown)

[Dr. Who]

Just now, NewEra said:

What’s a fair amount more than that? 18-20 mill?  Obj got 15-18.  
 

other teams may be inclined to guarantee him 25-30M 

 

I could see the jets- already seeing this as all in for 2 years- guarantees him 20-25M over 2 seasons-  

 

they can cut Corey Davis on the spot and save around 11M.  

Yeah, but we're talking about teams with a shot at the SB 

[FLFan]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Got it.  I think there’s a very good chance that he ends up somewhere else.  
 

If playing for a Super Bowl and with an elite QB is his only agenda, I think we have a good chance.  
 

After some thought, I believe that he had that opportunity already- Buffalo and KC were rumored to be the only 2 two teams that seriously inquired about trading for him. It’s my belief, that a trade could have and likely would have happened…. If he was willing to negotiate a new contract and give up some money.  But he didn’t. The money absolutely matters to him.  
 

I think he signs with whichever team offers him the most guaranteed money.  I don’t think that’s going to be us. That said-  there’s a good chance that I have no idea what I’m talking about and the bills could be the front runner because playing with Josh allen and competing for a SB is his preference.  🤣 

He will go where the most money is. By the way, has anyone else been tracking this?

 

https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-deandre-hopkins-contract-saint-omni-free-agent

 

if this connection is true, you can pretty much rule out the Bills IMO.  

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by FLFan