Four roster needs the Bills still must address

[Manther]

12 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

If they think we need more rb's then I question their knowledge of the team. 

Exactly!

[Simon Says]

If you want to be critical you can say that EVERY position group could do with some degree of improvement  even if only for depth.

To me I think the WR group needs as much help as RB.

[Santana]

I don't think we need any more RB's or DT's. Maybe another Tackle. The Bills are in really good spot as far as a roster goes. Guys need to step up, specifically Dion Dawkins and the entire DL.

[TheWeatherMan]

12 hours ago, Chaos said:

Do the other 31 teams four weakest positions. 

Kicker, punter, long snapper, holder 

[Warriorspikes51]

RT and DE 

[Nuncha]

15 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

ILB

DT

RB

Offensive Line

 

Does the mafia agree? Thoughts?

 

Here’s the full article if you want to take a deep dive: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-roster-needs-bills-still-114503349.html

 

Go Bills!

What do they need on the O-line???????  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Nuncha said:

What do they need on the O-line???????  

My guess is OT.

[Dablitzkrieg]

15 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

ILB

DT

RB

Offensive Line

 

Does the mafia agree? Thoughts?

 

Here’s the full article if you want to take a deep dive: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-roster-needs-bills-still-114503349.html

 

Go Bills!

Going to be tough with only 2 roster spots left

[wppete]

DT??? I think we are good this year at DT. The question is next year when contracts expire. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 hours ago, ngbills said:

Weakest positions:

 

ILB

WR2

RT

Edge Rusher

 

I would say the bolded aren't necessarily weak positions, however I would classify them as "unknown". We have a rather large group of guys in the MLB mix. We don't yet really know what The young guys there will bring. Spencer Brown, if you go back to his rookie year he played reasonably well. Off year last year due to possibly the back injury. We don't know. We will see. 

 

While I would agree EDGE could use some help the continued narrative on this board and others about WR2 is ludicrous. Davis is a suitable WR2. He is NOT a WR 1B which is what people expect him to be.  He's not Tee Higgins, who people often try and compare his stats to. He would literally start as a WR2 on at least half of the teams in the NFL. If the Bills can get Knox, Kincaid and one of the new WRs to be more productive as well as show some semblance of a running game it would free Davis up to be an even bigger weapon. A pretty standard way to attack the Bills offense last year was to bracket cover Diggs and put a CB1 on Davis because no one else could step up as a threat. If we have one more guy step up teams have to play a bit more balanced. 

[FLFan]

15 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

If they think we need more rb's then I question their knowledge of the team. 

True for DT as well.  As for ILB, they do not have a player currently at Edmunds level but they certainly have options to compete, and better options than are currently in the open market.  I would like to see an upgrade at swing tackle, but not sure what is out there right now that would be better. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

15 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

ILB

DT

RB

Offensive Line

 

Does the mafia agree? Thoughts?

 

Here’s the full article if you want to take a deep dive: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-roster-needs-bills-still-114503349.html

 

Go Bills!

RB my gosh when will it ever end? 

 

I agree on RT, it's one of the biggest risks going into the season, banking on Spencer Brown to become a legitimate starter based on what he's shown. 

 

DT has become much less of a need since Phillips came back, and they signed Poona Ford, you only normally keep 4 anyways. 

 

They already have 11 Offensive Lineman as it is, normally you keep 10 maximum. 

 

And MLB, yes I agree. I can't say I'm confident in any of their in-house options right now. 

[BearNorth]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If we have one more guy step up teams have to play a bit more balanced. 

I get the feeling the brain trust thinks Kincaid may be just that and he's a size mismatch for most DB's if he lines up in the slot.

[hondo in seattle]

"Must address" is strong terminology.   I'm not sure they "must address" those positions.  And, with our cap situation, I'm also not sure they will.  I suspect, all of our 2023 starters are already on the team.  If we get a couple more quality backups: great.  

[prissythecat]

15 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

ILB

DT

RB

Offensive Line

 

Does the mafia agree? Thoughts?

 

Here’s the full article if you want to take a deep dive: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-roster-needs-bills-still-114503349.html

 

Go Bills!

 

Why do the Bills need another RB and OL?    

 

According to below,  2023 will likely be the year we set all sorts of offensive records

 

 

[Max Fischer]

I'm most concerned about:

 

Right Tackle - Spencer Brown has the potential to improve. But if not, or he gets hurt, I have very little faith (zero?) in Quessenbery.

 

Linebacker - We all know there's a steep drop after Milano, so if he's hurt, there's little confidence in the rest of the corps. 

 

Defensive End - Not a lot of confidence Epenesa or Basham will get much better.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

50 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

There is nobody to rush the passer. 

 

The defense will decline without Edmunds. Gonna have to win a lot of 35-31 type games and that's not sustainable

 

Yes let's ignore Tre White, Hyde, Poyer fully healthy and Elam growing

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

White is a shade of his former self. Hyde and Poyer healthy is good if they can stay that way but the front 7 is weak and that’s where games are won

We'll see on White.  Milano.  Von will play most of the season likely at a high level (see his full season after he tore his ACL 9 games in previous year)
Ford and DaQuan is a strong pair inside with decent depth in OIiver Phillips and Settle. Rousseau is good.  Shaq is a solid player. Another DE in rotation to upgrade from AJ and Basham would be ideal

[BigAl2526]

10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

We'll see on White.  Milano.  Von will play most of the season likely at a high level (see his full season after he tore his ACL 9 games in previous year)
Ford and DaQuan is a strong pair inside with decent depth in OIiver Phillips and Settle. Rousseau is good.  Shaq is a solid player. Another DE in rotation to upgrade from AJ and Basham would be ideal

I'm guessing that while Poona Ford can and will play some three tech, the Bills will mostly use him as a nose tackle/one technique.  That would mean he'll be in a rotation with DaQuan Jones.  Oliver will be in rotation at 3 tech and the Bills will have to figure out who the other three tech will be.  Settle is like Ford, a one tech guy who can play some three tech.  Phillips, despite his size, is pretty much limited to 3 tech.  I don't see the Bills carrying 5 DTs on the 53 man roster, so either Settle or Phillips is likely to get released or traded.

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

There is nobody to rush the passer. 

 

The defense will decline without Edmunds. Gonna have to win a lot of 35-31 type games and that's not sustainable

 

The pass rush is a legit concern.  Our pass rush was significantly better last year when Miller was healthy.  Hopefully he fully recovers and plays a full season.  In any case, our pass rush won't get worse than last season.  

 

We will feel Edmunds' loss but our D won't fall apart.  Especially if our key defenders can stay healthy.   Think of the advantage of having Von, Tre and our safeties healthy this year.  

[QLBillsFan]

ILB and RT are the weakest spots. RB and DT are fine. Edge/DE until Von comes back need to improve. 
Unlikely the Bills or anyone else are making major moves at this point. The Bills narrative is they have stayed the same or regressed. I happen to think a healthy D and more O weapons make the Bills stronger. The expected improvement of others teams is part of the story. But not all of the “vastly “ improved teams will jell. The Bills are in a good spot roster wise. Last year many people had them #1 or close going into the season. The Cincinnati game is biasing the Bills expectations as much as the KC loss the year before. The Bills are in the mix to win it all with 4 or 5 teams. I’ll take that. 

[Thurman#1]

16 hours ago, ngbills said:

Weakest positions:

 

ILB

WR2

RT

Edge Rusher

 

 

 

Disagree. In order:

 

ILB

RT

DE (would be #2 if I didn't expect them to pick up one of Ngakoue, Quinn, Ingram, Clowney, Dunlap, Pierre-Paul, etc. on the cheap.)

 

Every team has problems, but those are ours, and depth at a couple of positions could also be added in, including possibly CB if Tre doesn't come back at his previous level.

 

Which equates to a damn good line-up. But yeah, there's stuff to worry about. Always.

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Success]

2 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

White is a shade of his former self. Hyde and Poyer healthy is good if they can stay that way but the front 7 is weak and that’s where games are won

 

Tre White was working back from injury.  He was clearly (imo) getting better in the last few games of the season.

 

[mjt328]

19 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

Does the mafia agree? Thoughts?
 

ILB

DT

RB

Offensive Line

 

Here’s the full article if you want to take a deep dive: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/4-roster-needs-bills-still-114503349.html

 

Go Bills!

 

Inside Linebacker 

Easily the weakest spot on the roster.  But if the Bills haven't made a move yet, I think we are just going to see a change in defensive philosophy towards this position.  They are going to try rolling with Tyrel Dodson as the initial starter... hope Terrel Bernard takes the job in training camp... and then rely on AJ Klein as an emergency fallback.

If you really think about it, the Bills got screwed at ILB this year.  They would have been foolish to give Tremaine Edmunds the contract he got from the Bears.  The options to replace him in Free Agency were extremely slim.  And this year's draft class was not only very weak, but had zero chance of falling favorably our way.

 

Defensive Tackle

We are in very good shape for 2023.  Nobody is signed for next year, but we still have plenty of time to give extensions to anyone who deserves it.

 

Running Back

Short of having an elite/star runner, you really can't ask for more from the Bills group.  They have a strong mix of veterans, young guys, pass catchers, power backs, etc.  They are fine here.

 

Offensive Line

Guard was probably over-addressed this offseason.  We are still good at LT with Dion Dawkins and C with Mitch Morse.  The excesses at Guard give us the option to slide Ryan Bates over if Morse gets another concussion.  The only weak spot is Right Tackle.  I wouldn't mind getting a veteran fallback in the event he doesn't progress this season.

 

In my opinion, the Bills still need to bring in another Edge Rusher.  We clearly didn't get enough out of Shaq Lawson, AJ Epenesa and Boogie Basham last year down the stretch.  As of right now, one of those guys is pretty much guaranteed to start the season.  My guess is that Beane is probably waiting to get a health report on Von Miller before making a move.  There are also a half-dozen veteran guys still on the market who could potentially fit this need. Yannick Ngakou, Justin Houston, Leonard Floyd, etc.  Maybe he waits for the season to get closer before adding one of these guys.

 

[ganesh]

14 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Edge is the biggest need. I like Lawson but he is putrid as a pass rusher. Rousseau looked good opposite Miller until both got hurt. He didn’t play well after the injury. He needs a big year. I have no hopes for Basham and Epenesa. They are as bad as the Ford pick. Maybe one of these backup LBs can pass rush from time to time. Maybe they kick Oliver to end for a few snaps a game. 
Maybe Miller shows up and is ready to go and we all still question what the hell happened with White last year.

May be we have a coaching issue with Eric Washington as the DL coach

[Rockinon]

I can't help thinking that the young DE's on this team need to be let loose. I think coaching is at fault. The Bills had Von last year and another vet before that was always attacking the QB while the other side would play contain. That changes if you have 2 of the youngsters playing at the same time. It just seems that they always have one DE playing contain in this defense while the other is attacking. Those roles should be reversed imo. Let Shaq play contain and turn those young bucks loose. Or put 2 of the young guys on the line at once. Time to stop babying them along.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

We'll see on White.  Milano.  Von will play most of the season likely at a high level (see his full season after he tore his ACL 9 games in previous year)
Ford and DaQuan is a strong pair inside with decent depth in OIiver Phillips and Settle. Rousseau is good.  Shaq is a solid player. Another DE in rotation to upgrade from AJ and Basham would be ideal

 

 

Yeah, good luck with that Von stuff. That previous ACL came in his mid-twenties. And that's a whole different world from mid-thirties in terms of healing speed and ability. 

 

High level most of the year is very much not the way to bet. Unfortunately.

 

If he does play that way, I'll be thrilled and will acclaim you a seer. Not expecting that, though.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

19 hours ago, ganesh said:

May be we have a coaching issue with Eric Washington as the DL coach

Perhaps. Not sure a DL coach really matters that much. In the hierarchy of importance I would put DL coach only above ST coordinator in terms of importance. Im sure there are some techniques to learn but doubt there is much difference between college and pro for DL.

That said DT takes a long time to develop where edge guys can make a difference right away.

18 hours ago, Rockinon said:

I can't help thinking that the young DE's on this team need to be let loose. I think coaching is at fault. The Bills had Von last year and another vet before that was always attacking the QB while the other side would play contain. That changes if you have 2 of the youngsters playing at the same time. It just seems that they always have one DE playing contain in this defense while the other is attacking. Those roles should be reversed imo. Let Shaq play contain and turn those young bucks loose. Or put 2 of the young guys on the line at once. Time to stop babying them along.

Lol. I think "playing contain" is code word for suck at pass rush. You can maintain contain and still rush the passer.  Now setting the edge is different. That is key for run defense and letting the linebackers flow to the ball.