Chiefs signing former Bucs LT Donovan Smith

[97bills]

On 5/3/2023 at 7:28 PM, 90sBills said:

Not sure how KC’s roster is downgraded. They added depth on their Oline. Greatly improved their DLine. All their rookies from last year will have a year under their belts. And of course Mahomes and Kelce are still there. Very envious of what they’ve been able to do while supposedly tight on cap space. 

Agreed!!!! All this talk about KC downgrading and there going to take a step back , reminds me of the NE days , we’re bills fans said that every year, only too watch them hold up the Lombardi… I will wait to pass judgement lol….. 

[stinky finger]

On 5/3/2023 at 9:20 PM, frostbitmic said:

Isn't this guy the reason they were moving Wirfs to LT ?

nahh - wasn’t wirf it.

[Billl]

On 5/4/2023 at 6:12 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm sorry I disagree. I disagree with you on Brown and I disagree on Jawaan Taylor being better. I suggest you go watch some of his Jacksonville film. Brown is a much better player than Taylor is all facets. If you want to compare their careers at right tackle the discrepancy is huge. The chances of a worse right tackle than Brown being a better left tackle than Brown are next to none. 

 

I don't make any comment on Morris, maybe he is a diamond in the rough. But if he isn't Smith and Taylor as a tackle combo is a downgrade on what the Chiefs had last year. 

Well Andy Reid agreed to pay Taylor way more that’s what Brown got, and he’s got as good of a track record at building offensive lines as anyone on the planet.  I have to assume he watched some Jacksonville film before he made that decision.

[Maynard]

Sanders easy.

[Success]

5 hours ago, 97bills said:

Agreed!!!! All this talk about KC downgrading and there going to take a step back , reminds me of the NE days , we’re bills fans said that every year, only too watch them hold up the Lombardi… I will wait to pass judgement lol….. 

 

We weren't very good in the NE days.

 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

On 5/3/2023 at 8:06 PM, 90sBills said:

Is Beane on vacation? This would’ve been a great add to the Oline room. 

After the draft Beane was so exhausted they had to carry him off the field

 

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

Well Andy Reid agreed to pay Taylor way more that’s what Brown got, and he’s got as good of a track record at building offensive lines as anyone on the planet.  I have to assume he watched some Jacksonville film before he made that decision.

 

But he has had his share of free agency blunders in his career too. Nobody forgets the Philadelphia dream team.

[Zerovoltz]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

https://nfltraderumors.co/andy-reid-confirms-donovan-smith-will-play-left-tackle/
 

looks like he’ll start @ LT because they don’t have any confidence in Taylor playing LT or the other scrubs playing RT.  
 

didn’t even give Taylor a chance at LT after paying him 20M aav to play LT.  🤣 

 

 

 

After signing Smith.....who they didn't have at the time they signed Taylor, they've decided to just keep Taylor on the right side.  Before that signing, he was going to be on the left side.  Paying Taylor that money and keeping him on the right is fine.  Ramczyk got more fully guaranteed than Taylor (43m to 40) and just as much in total guarantees (60m). Lane makes more per year. McGlinchey got 5 less fully guaranteed and 7.5 less total. It's a RT market deal, in an NFL where the difference between the right and left tackle isn't what it used to be.  

 

I remain confident their O line is better than last years.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

After signing Smith.....who they didn't have at the time they signed Taylor, they've decided to just keep Taylor on the right side.  Before that signing, he was going to be on the left side.  Paying Taylor that money and keeping him on the right is fine.  Ramczyk got more fully guaranteed than Taylor (43m to 40) and just as much in total guarantees (60m). Lane makes more per year. McGlinchey got 5 less fully guaranteed and 7.5 less total. It's a RT market deal, in an NFL where the difference between the right and left tackle isn't what it used to be.  

 

I remain confident their O line is better than last years.

You’re comparing him to players that were paid similarly, but are superior players.  Lane johnson?  Ryan Ramczyk.  If you think he’s as good as them, I want some of whatever you’re smoking.   Lol.  Your boy isn’t them 

 

i’m glad your happy with the contract.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re comparing him to players that were paid similarly, but are superior players.  Lane johnson?  Ryan Ramczyk.  If you think he’s as good as them, I want some of whatever you’re smoking.   Lol.  Your boy isn’t them 

 

i’m glad your happy with the contract.

 

Agree. I do think Taylor is an upgrade at right tackle on Wylie. That is a fair a take. But he isn't Lane or Ramczyk or Jack Conklin. So he is an upgrade, but an overpaid one. 

 

As for Smith my view on him is well known (and long pre-dates him going to KC). Never thought he was worth what the Buccs paid him and think he was awful last year. If they get the absolute peak Smith it might be a wash from Orlando Brown but he has been in the league 8 seasons and played at true franchise left tackle level once in those 8 years. 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. I do think Taylor is an upgrade at right tackle on Wylie. That is a fair a take. But he isn't Lane or Ramczyk or Jack Conklin. So he is an upgrade, but an overpaid one. 

 

As for Smith my view on him is well known (and long pre-dates him going to KC). Never thought he was worth what the Buccs paid him and think he was awful last year. If they get the absolute peak Smith it might be a wash from Orlando Brown but he has been in the league 8 seasons and played at true franchise left tackle level once in those 8 years. 

KC is putting a LOT on their QB, we’d be murdering our front office for doing what they’re doing - relying on a patchwork line and a bunch of reclamation projects at receiver.  

[Billl]

28 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

KC is putting a LOT on their QB, we’d be murdering our front office for doing what they’re doing - relying on a patchwork line and a bunch of reclamation projects at receiver.  

Well now we’ve just lost our minds.  The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season.  The tackles sphere a weakness, and they’ve been replaced.  Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT.  I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo.  If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal.  It’s hardly a patchwork line.

 

The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion.  Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under.  Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage.

 

Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

[GunnerBill]

53 minutes ago, Billl said:

Well now we’ve just lost our minds.  The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season.  The tackles sphere a weakness, and they’ve been replaced.  Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT.  I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo.  If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal.  It’s hardly a patchwork line.

 

The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion.  Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under.  Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage.

 

Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

 

I think your point on LG to RT is a fair one now that Taylor is playing on the right side. All 4 of them are better in their spots than the guys the Bills have until proven otherwise (I'm think possibly Torrence when I say that). But it is more than a minimal difference at LT in my view. I am long since on record as not thinking Donovan Smith is much good. Dawkins isn't an elite guy by any stretch, but he is a top 10/12 starter. Smith has been that once in 8 seasons. 

[Coach Tuesday]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

Well now we’ve just lost our minds.  The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season.  The tackles sphere a weakness, and they’ve been replaced.  Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT.  I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo.  If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal.  It’s hardly a patchwork line.

 

The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion.  Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under.  Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage.

 

Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

 

We will have to agree to disagree re: Taylor - I have never liked his game and I think he'll get exposed having to move laterally as Mahomes improvs and alters the pocket location.  To me he is the definition of a soft, bad-bodied average RT.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

We will have to agree to disagree re: Taylor - I have never liked his game and I think he'll get exposed having to move laterally as Mahomes improvs and alters the pocket location.  To me he is the definition of a soft, bad-bodied average RT.

 

I agree re: Taylor and he is definitely overpaid. But until proven otherwise he is better than Spencer Brown. Think that is fair. If Spencer ever puts it together that might be a different story, but as of now here today going into year 3 Spencer is still a talented project, not a proven commodity. 

[Billl]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think your point on LG to RT is a fair one now that Taylor is playing on the right side. All 4 of them are better in their spots than the guys the Bills have until proven otherwise (I'm think possibly Torrence when I say that). But it is more than a minimal difference at LT in my view. I am long since on record as not thinking Donovan Smith is much good. Dawkins isn't an elite guy by any stretch, but he is a top 10/12 starter. Smith has been that once in 8 seasons. 

From the limited amount I know about Torrence, I think he’ll be good.  If he winds up eventually being on the level of Trey Smith, it was a great pick given where he was taken in the draft.  If the expectation is that he plays at that level as a rookie, then that’s unreasonable.   I do find it funny that there are 100 threads talking about how Josh would win MVP if he had a line half as good as Mahomes, but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses (not referring to you).  

[90sBills]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

KC is putting a LOT on their QB, we’d be murdering our front office for doing what they’re doing - relying on a patchwork line and a bunch of reclamation projects at receiver.  

This can’t be. People on here keep insisting it’s so much easier for their qb. 

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, Billl said:

From the limited amount I know about Torrence, I think he’ll be good.  If he winds up eventually being on the level of Trey Smith, it was a great pick given where he was taken in the draft.  If the expectation is that he plays at that level as a rookie, then that’s unreasonable.   I do find it funny that there are 100 threads talking about how Josh would win MVP if he had a line half as good as Mahomes, but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses (not referring to you).  

What I find funny is how you just make up all this nonsense.  
 

PLEASE quote the posts that backup your comment “but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses”. 

 

Again.  You’re on a Bills forum as a fan of our biggest competitors and rival.  There are fans that think you paid too much for an average RT.  There are many people that think that Smith is toast.  
 

But where is this OUTPOURING OF NEGATIVE RESPONSES that you speak of clamoring that the Bills have a better line than KC?  
 

and I can see you from 2000 miles away. Trash

 

 

edit:  The chiefs have a better line than the Bills.  They overpaid one guy to fill a hole at LT, then moved him to RT after they signed an old man that was bad last year yo play LT.  Do you expect us to fawn over these 2 moves?  Please

Edited May 9, 2023 by NewEra

[Billl]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

What I find funny is how you just make up all this nonsense.  
 

PLEASE quote the posts that backup your comment “but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses”. 

 

Again.  You’re on a Bills forum as a fan of our biggest competitors and rival.  There are fans that think you paid too much for an average RT.  There are many people that think that Smith is toast.  
 

But where is this OUTPOURING OF NEGATIVE RESPONSES that you speak of clamoring that the Bills have a better line than KC?  
 

and I can see you from 2000 miles away. Trash

 

 

edit:  The chiefs have a better line than the Bills.  They overpaid one guy to fill a hole at LT, then moved him to RT after they signed an old man that was bad last year yo play LT.  Do you expect us to fawn over these 2 moves?  Please

I’m not expecting you to fawn over anything the Chiefs do.  I understand that you’re a charter member of the “only the Bills have good players” club.  I’m just amused by the simultaneous notions here that Mahomes only wins championships and MVPs over Josh because Kansas City has a better line and better weapons than Buffalo…but also that Bills fans would be “murdering their front office” if they allowed Josh to be surrounded with a “patchwork offensive line” and a bunch of “reclamation projects” at receiver.  Seems like those are diametrically opposing viewpoints.  

 

Meanwhile, the Chiefs are Super Bowl favorites and the biggest additions the Bills made to a subpar line was Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard.  Perhaps they along with Trent Sherfield and Deonte Harty (who are clearly established, elite WRs as opposed to KaDarius Toney who is merely a reclamation project) will be enough to bridge the difference between scoring 10 points in the Divisional Round and scoring 38 points in the Super Bowl.

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m not expecting you to fawn over anything the Chiefs do.  I understand that you’re a charter member of the “only the Bills have good players” club.  I’m just amused by the simultaneous notions here that Mahomes only wins championships and MVPs over Josh because Kansas City has a better line and better weapons than Buffalo…but also that Bills fans would be “murdering their front office” if they allowed Josh to be surrounded with a “patchwork offensive line” and a bunch of “reclamation projects” at receiver.  Seems like those are diametrically opposing viewpoints.  

 

Meanwhile, the Chiefs are Super Bowl favorites and the biggest additions the Bills made to a subpar line was Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard.  Perhaps they along with Trent Sherfield and Deonte Harty (who are clearly established, elite WRs as opposed to KaDarius Toney who is merely a reclamation project) will be enough to bridge the difference between scoring 10 points in the Divisional Round and scoring 38 points in the Super Bowl.

I can agree that the Chiefs have a better OL than the Bills. Yet better receiving options is a highly debatable as yes Kelce is better than any single player we have. Yet as a collective I prefer Diggs, Davis, Knox, Kincaid, Shakir, Harty and Sherfield over Kelce, MSV, Toney, James, Moore, Gray. Watson and Rice. 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m not expecting you to fawn over anything the Chiefs do.  I understand that you’re a charter member of the “only the Bills have good players” club.  I’m just amused by the simultaneous notions here that Mahomes only wins championships and MVPs over Josh because Kansas City has a better line and better weapons than Buffalo…but also that Bills fans would be “murdering their front office” if they allowed Josh to be surrounded with a “patchwork offensive line” and a bunch of “reclamation projects” at receiver.  Seems like those are diametrically opposing viewpoints.  

 

Meanwhile, the Chiefs are Super Bowl favorites and the biggest additions the Bills made to a subpar line was Connor McGovern and a late second round Guard.  Perhaps they along with Trent Sherfield and Deonte Harty (who are clearly established, elite WRs as opposed to KaDarius Toney who is merely a reclamation project) will be enough to bridge the difference between scoring 10 points in the Divisional Round and scoring 38 points in the Super Bowl.

Again…..  if there’s an OUTPOURING of negative responses you’d surely be able to click that little plus icon to multi quote all of these negative posts that you find funny when someone suggests the chiefs have a better OL than the Bills. 
 

so use the handy little icon and defend your ridiculous comment.  
 

i’ll wait
 

 

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Again…..  if there’s an OUTPOURING of negative responses you’d surely be able to click that little plus icon to multi quote all of these negative posts that you find funny when someone suggests the chiefs have a better OL than the Bills. 
 

so use the handy little icon and defend your ridiculous comment.  
 

i’ll wait
 

 

There’s literally a response button at the bottom of every post.  See the response I just made to yours?  That’s called a Super Bowl trophy.  Now look at the responses to the post I made where suggested that the Kansas City front office was in no danger of being murdered by angry Chiefs fans.  Those ❌s are negative responses.    You seem to be referring to replies. Maybe my calling them “reactions” instead of “responses” would have been clearer.  Hopefully that clears things up.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Billl

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

There’s literally a response button at the bottom of every post.  See the response I just made to yours?  That’s called a Super Bowl trophy.  Now look at the responses to the post I made where suggested that the Kansas City front office was in no danger of being murdered by angry Chiefs fans.  Those ❌s are negative responses.    You seem to be referring to replies. Maybe my calling them “reactions” instead of “responses” would have been clearer.  Hopefully that clears things up.

 

Don’t move the goalposts.  This is the comment I called out.  
“but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses (not referring to you).”
 

Making a negative comment about the chiefs isn’t what you were alluding to in your post. You were specific in what you found to be funny.  So be specific and show me the evidence that it took place.  

 

but you’ll continue to move the goalposts.  Per usual.  
 

What I find funny is that you claimed that the bills are your second favorite team, while all you do is cry about Bills fans being protective of their team….. on a Bills website.  
 

Cry more

[Billl]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Don’t move the goalposts.  This is the comment I called out.  
“but the minute someone suggests that the Chiefs have a better line than the Bills, there’s an outpouring of negative responses (not referring to you).”
 

Making a negative comment about the chiefs isn’t what you were alluding to in your post. You were specific in what you found to be funny.  So be specific and show me the evidence that it took place.  

 

but you’ll continue to move the goalposts.  Per usual.  
 

What I find funny is that you claimed that the bills are your second favorite team, while all you do is cry about Bills fans being protective of their team….. on a Bills website.  
 

Cry more

I’ve quoted the post I made that got all of the negative responses below.  It was literally the last post I had made before I made my comment about people reacting negatively to me comparing what KC has assembled to Buffalo and that “I don’t see some glaring advantage”.  At the time, it had 3 reactions, and they were all “disagree”.  Either way, I’m done discussing it.  

 

I do like the Bills, and I think their fans deserve a Super Bowl.  I made no response to Bills fans being protective of their team.  The response I made was to someone saying that Bills fans would murder their front office for what Veach and Reid had assembled.  It was a laughably bad take.  If I’m crying about anything, it’s the price of Super Bowl merchandise.  I don’t know if you’ve priced any lately, but it’s not cheap.

6 hours ago, Billl said:

Well now we’ve just lost our minds.  The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season.  The tackles were a weakness, and they’ve been replaced.  Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT.  I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo.  If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal.  It’s hardly a patchwork line.

 

The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion.  Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under.  Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage.

 

Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

 

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’ve quoted the post I made that got all of the negative responses below.  It was literally the last post I had made before I made my comment about people reacting negatively to me comparing what KC has assembled to Buffalo and that “I don’t see some glaring advantage”.  At the time, it had 3 reactions, and they were all “disagree”.  Either way, I’m done discussing it.  

 

I do like the Bills, and I think their fans deserve a Super Bowl.  I made no response to Bills fans being protective of their team.  The response I made was to someone saying that Bills fans would murder their front office for what Veach and Reid had assembled.  It was a laughably bad take.  If I’m crying about anything, it’s the price of Super Bowl merchandise.  I don’t know if you’ve priced any lately, but it’s not cheap.

 

Exactly what i expected, per usual. 
 

That’s an OUTPOURING.  🤣 the more you say, the dumber you look.  Also, per usual. 

[NewEra]

On 5/8/2023 at 6:00 PM, Billl said:

Well Andy Reid agreed to pay Taylor way more that’s what Brown got, and he’s got as good of a track record at building offensive lines as anyone on the planet.  I have to assume he watched some Jacksonville film before he made that decision.

 

On 5/4/2023 at 4:59 AM, Zerovoltz said:

 

People just do not understand how crappy a pass blocker Orlando Brown is/was and how KC schemed around him and how Mahomes bailed him out.  

 

I am CERTAIN that the Bengals, are quickly going to regret putting Brown at LT and thinking that is going to work.  It will be evident in short order.

 

Now, is it risky for KC to sign Dawaan Taylor, a career RT and ask him to play LT...yes that involves risk.  I am CERTAIN he'll pass block better than Brown did (I do not think he'll be a good run blocker no matter where you put him..KC doesn't care)  

 

They like Morris...his tools and traits are outstanding...but he needs work.  I haven't been impressed by Niang the rare times he's actually been healthy....and I DO NOT believe Darrian Kinnard is an NFL OT.  This left KC thin at OT...but the were every bit as thin last year.  I am also CERTAIN that Andrew Wiley was not a good pass blocking RT.  He did an admirable job starting all 17 games.  He was a great and versatile backup that did the best he could..and will always be loved in KC..but he was not good either.  

 

I would tell you that as we sit here today...KC is BETTER at OT...by a good margin...than they were last year.  

 

I won't be surprised if Smith starts, or Morris wins the job. 

 

On 5/8/2023 at 10:53 PM, Zerovoltz said:

 

After signing Smith.....who they didn't have at the time they signed Taylor, they've decided to just keep Taylor on the right side.  Before that signing, he was going to be on the left side.  Paying Taylor that money and keeping him on the right is fine.  Ramczyk got more fully guaranteed than Taylor (43m to 40) and just as much in total guarantees (60m). Lane makes more per year. McGlinchey got 5 less fully guaranteed and 7.5 less total. It's a RT market deal, in an NFL where the difference between the right and left tackle isn't what it used to be.  

 

I remain confident their O line is better than last years.

 

On 5/9/2023 at 6:20 AM, Billl said:

Well now we’ve just lost our minds.  The KC interior line was arguably the best in football last season.  The tackles sphere a weakness, and they’ve been replaced.  Jawaan Taylor and Donovan Smith are at worst equal to Brown and Wylie. Brown is a good player but a poor fit in that offense while Wylie was a backup caliber Guard doing his best at RT.  I’d take Thuney, Creed, Trey, and Taylor over all four of their counterparts in Buffalo.  If the Bills have an edge at LT, it’s minimal.  It’s hardly a patchwork line.

 

The WR room is largely unproven, but the offense has proven it can be championship level without stars there as long as they’ve got a top 5 pass catcher in the league who just happens to line up next to the tackles on occasion.  Even so, there’s a lot of young potential with Toney, Moore, and Rice all age 24 and under.  Compare that to Buffalo who has Diggs and not much else, and I don’t see some glaring advantage.

 

Pretty sure Andy Reid and Brett Veach aren’t worried about getting murdered by their fans unless it’s from getting mobbed at yet another Super Bowl parade.

@Billl @Zerovoltz

Who’s worse now?  Brown/wylie or smith/taylor? Taylor might be the worst RT in the league.  I’d rather pay David Quessenberry 10M per year than pay Taylor 20M.  
 

22.8 ppg…… before this beating at the hands of the raiders D.  Down from a league leading 29.2

 

How’s that young WR unit working out?  Rice looks great.  Toney and Moore on par with Juwaanawoman Taylor.  Just awful.  
 

The inferior (to the chiefs) Bills OL and WRs certainly aren’t looking inferior to KC in December.  Or maybe they are inferior…..and Josh allen is just a better QB.  

 

Merry Christmas 🎁 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

 

 

@Billl @Zerovoltz

Who’s worse now?  Brown/wylie or smith/taylor? Taylor might be the worst RT in the league.  I’d rather pay David Quessenberry 10M per year than pay Taylor 20M.  
 

22.8 ppg…… before this beating at the hands of the raiders D.  Down from a league leading 29.2

 

How’s that young WR unit working out?  Rice looks great.  Toney and Moore on par with Juwaanawoman Taylor.  Just awful.  
 

The inferior (to the chiefs) Bills OL and WRs certainly aren’t looking inferior to KC in December.  Or maybe they are inferior…..and Josh allen is just a better QB.  

 

Merry Christmas 🎁 

Now Era don’t gloat it’s Christmas

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Now Era don’t gloat it’s Christmas

[Aussie Joe]

Haven’t seen Billl in a while …

 

He spent a lot of this off-season telling us how bad the Bills  were 

Edited December 25, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[Paul Costa]

😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Haven’t seen Billl in a while …

 

He spent a lot of this off-season telling us how bad the Bills  were 

Are you surprised?  I knew what kind of a KC fan he was from the git go 💩.  When the going got tough, the @Billl would get gone.  

I have some respect for zero. 

[GunnerBill]

I mean we did try and tell them.... that fanbase had an irrational hatred for Orlando Brown. At one point they were telling us Taylor would be a better left tackle than Brown.

 

In fairness Taylor has been worse at RT than I expected. But LT I knew they were going to suck.

[BritBill]

New Era woke up, swapped presents, ate dinner, had a snooze and came on here to cash in some receipts and elect violence.

 

It’s what the baby Jesus would’ve wanted. 

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I mean we did try and tell them.... that fanbase had an irrational hatred for Orlando Brown. At one point they were telling us Taylor would be a better left tackle than Brown.

 

In fairness Taylor has been worse at RT than I expected. But LT I knew they were going to suck.

1 minute ago, BritBill said:

New Era woke up, swapped presents, ate dinner, had a snooze and came on here to cash in some receipts and elect violence.

 

It’s what the baby Jesus would’ve wanted. 

No snooze.  Instead I watched the Raiders defensive line feast on the improved KC OL

[BADOLBILZ]

 

This is nothing compared to Zerovoltz starting a thread talking about the Bills need worse receivers because the Chiefs won a SB without them(not realizing how important a do-everything-well receiver who caught nearly 80% of targets Juju Smith-Schuster was for them). 

 

You can always tell that someone has no clue about talent evaluation when part of their description of a player is "he can't be worse than" so-and-so.

 

Common sense could tell you that Brown was better than Taylor.   Common sense could tell you Smith was washed.    

 

In fairness,  we had a lot of people claiming Sherfield and Sharty were big upgrades over what the Bills got rid of...........and as I said then.......the truth was always that Crowder and McKenzie clearly had been better NFL players in their careers.    Sherfield and Harty weren't actually likely to be more productive players.    Sure enough, Crowder and McKenzie put up 500 yards in 2022........and the Bills have only gotten 200 from Sherfield and Sharty.

 

 

Edited December 25, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[JerseyBills]

On 5/3/2023 at 8:20 PM, JerseyBills said:

Nice!!!

 

They definitely have a downgraded roster going into TC

 

Remember,  we'd be 3-0 in the last 3 , all in Arrowhead,  if not for the 13 second ridiculous debacle 

Ya Digg???

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

In fairness,  we had a lot of people claiming Sherfield and Sharty were big upgrades over what the Bills got rid of...........and as I said then.......the truth was always that Crowder and McKenzie clearly had been better NFL players in their careers.    Sherfield and Harty weren't actually likely to be more productive players.    Sure enough, Crowder and McKenzie put up 500 yards in 2022........and the Bills have only gotten 200 from Sherfield and Sharty.

 

Sherfield wasn’t an attempt to replace Crowder.  He was an attempt to replace Kumerow on ST.  Network doesn’t show enough for me to tell; how successful was that? Gunners don’t show too much on the stat sheet.  I don’t think there’s a lot of question Sherfield >> Kumerow as a receiver.  (Yes I said that at the time of the signing, I have the receipts)

 

 Beane explicitly said they saw Harty as slotting into their #4/5 WR role.  In 2021, when that was McKenzie’s role, he racked up a mighty 20 receptions for 178 yards in 24% of the offensive snaps.  Superficially, Harty has not done vast well with 14 receptions for 138 yds, but he’s only seen the field for 15% of the snaps.

 

As far as #3 WR, the Bills plan was to have Kincaid factor in with more 2 TE sets, and also to have Shakir step up.   Since Shakir has put up 460+ yds and Kincaid 500+, Shakir has been rocking 48% of the offensive snaps vs. 54% McKenzie had last year.  So it’s a reasonable case that Shakir has had about the same productivity as McKenzie.

 

PS as far as your points about the silliness of claiming the Bills need worse WR a la Zerovoltz you’re right on that of course

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Sherfield wasn’t an attempt to replace Crowder.  He was an attempt to replace Kumerow on ST.  Network doesn’t show enough for me to tell; how successful was that? Gunners don’t show too much on the stat sheet.  I don’t think there’s a lot of question Sherfield >> Kumerow as a receiver.  (Yes I said that at the time of the signing, I have the receipts)

 

 Beane explicitly said they saw Harty as slotting into their #4/5 WR role.  In 2021, when that was McKenzie’s role, he racked up a mighty 20 receptions for 178 yards in 24% of the offensive snaps.  Superficially, Harty has not done vast well with 14 receptions for 138 yds, but he’s only seen the field for 15% of the snaps.

 

As far as #3 WR, the Bills plan was to have Kincaid factor in with more 2 TE sets, and also to have Shakir step up.   Since Shakir has put up 460+ yds and Kincaid 500+, Shakir has been rocking 48% of the offensive snaps vs. 54% McKenzie had last year.  So it’s a reasonable case that Shakir has had about the same productivity as McKenzie.

 

 

 

 

You are going off the rails a bit here, Hap.   Kincaid has basically the same yards per game as Knox had last year.  That's who he's replaced in the pecking order in 2023.   Shakir replaces the Crowder/McKenzie/Beasley in the slot.    But it's not as simple as that.   Diggs production is way down.   Davis is also down.    If you want to play that game you will go in circles because things have changed.   In part because Sherfield and Harty have not played to expectations.

 

So what we do know is that the Bills switched out veterans Crowder, McKenzie(and Kumerow if you wish) and brought in veterans Sherfield and Harty.........to some degree of fanfare......not just as special teams players and blockers.  And in Harty's case for significantly more money invested.

 

I mean, Sherfield didn't quit his job as the clear-cut WR3 in Miami to get paid near minimum wage to replace Kumerow as a 5th or 6th WR. 

 

He thought it was a better opportunity to advance his career with the Bills because they had a weaker 1-2 combo than the target hogging stud 1-2 Hill/Waddle grouping in Miami.    He might have even thought he could compete with Davis.........where he could not with either Hill and Waddle.      

 

What Sherfield found out is that having 2 studs in Miami actually provided him MORE opportunity.    They draw a lot of attention.  The Bills lack of a consistent WR2 type weapon has allowed defense's to distribute their attention more proportionately after Diggs.    

 

Where Kincaid fits into the equation at the time of the Sherfield and Sharty signings?    He did not exist in them. 

 

Because they had no idea they were going to have Kincaid.   In fact, most of the chatter/info was that WR was their hope to acquire in round 1........and they just pivoted with the WR's gone and Kincaid on the board.   

[TBBills Fan]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

 

 

@Billl @Zerovoltz

Who’s worse now?  Brown/wylie or smith/taylor? Taylor might be the worst RT in the league.  I’d rather pay David Quessenberry 10M per year than pay Taylor 20M.  
 

22.8 ppg…… before this beating at the hands of the raiders D.  Down from a league leading 29.2

 

How’s that young WR unit working out?  Rice looks great.  Toney and Moore on par with Juwaanawoman Taylor.  Just awful.  
 

The inferior (to the chiefs) Bills OL and WRs certainly aren’t looking inferior to KC in December.  Or maybe they are inferior…..and Josh allen is just a better QB.  

 

Merry Christmas 🎁 

Solid bump

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

Solid bump

Thanks

 

 

when she going gets tough, the @Billl gets gone.  R you really have nothing to say about your boys guy?  You’ve always been so quick to defend them.  Now you log in, read the pain and log off without defense.  Is the Taylor Swift merch as expensive as the SB merch?