Stadium Renderings Part 2

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not so much trying to appeal to to other parts of the state or drawing in people across the country but more about drawing in a different type of fan then that goes to the games now. In that interview with Titans stadium they talk about appealing to different types of fans, from families to fans like you. That's the way leagues are heading.  I have a 4 year old and would love to go to a game. The problem is she won't sit still for a whole game. If they had an area for kids to get their wiggles out I would me more inclined to go. 

Population is dwindling. Younger generation isn't having children!

 

The business model, Bills last of dinosaurs, wants to be moved from spending the money @ Tops, Wegmans to the League's pocket. 

 

Old model... They have to clean up the parking lots. Ever see what the area looks like after a game? You can feed a 3rd World Country on Monday... 

 

They are moving away from that.

 

Unfortunately,  Bills fans are sweater wearers and cooler draggers... 

Edited March 1, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[PBF81]

16 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not about upgrading a 50 year old stadium. My point is that the new stadium is basically an updated Highmark stadium.  

 

Agreed, with only nominal amenities seemingly, and at a significant price increase.  

 

We'll see how it plays out.  I agree with the sentiment (was it you?) that the new stadium is designed to change the types of fans that go to the games and weed out the drunkards, of which there seem to be no shortage.  But in doing so they're going to price out a lot of other people too.  

 

[Peter]

I remember threads a few years back where it seemed most of the people on this board were adamant that any new stadium should NOT have a dome.

 

Now it seems that most of the people complaining now want a dome. 

 

I would have preferred a dome myself (all things being equal), but understand that a dome adds significant cost. For those wanting a dome, I wonder who they think should pay for the added costs relating to a dome.

 

Given the record inflation that we have had in the past year, I suspect that the ultimate cost of the stadium will be a lot more (unless they remove some features because of the increased costs).

 

For me, the most important thing above all else is that the Bills stay in Buffalo. If this stadium (with or without a dome) accomplishes that, I am good.

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

 

I would have preferred a dome myself (all things being equal), but understand that a dome adds significant cost. For those wanting a dome, I wonder who they think should pay for the added costs relating to a dome.

 

 

 

 

I presented the same question. Nobody had an aswer for that but sure got a solid share of eyerolls and thumbs down from the dome heads.

 

 

[teef]

21 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not so much trying to appeal to to other parts of the state or drawing in people across the country but more about drawing in a different type of fan then that goes to the games now. In that interview with Titans stadium they talk about appealing to different types of fans, from families to fans like you. That's the way leagues are heading.  I have a 4 year old and would love to go to a game. The problem is she won't sit still for a whole game. If they had an area for kids to get their wiggles out I would me more inclined to go. 

i'm not sure there's as much of a diverse type of fan in wny than some other areas, but i get your idea.  i'm at the point where's i'd like to bring my family.  i have a 4 and 7 year old, and i think they would love it, but it's a bit too old for them now.  it's not so much that they wouldn't sit still but i don't want them in that environment quite yet.  our family had a "rule" that you could go when you were 10, but if you're willing to sit in the clubs, is far more tame and a much better place for kids.  my wife an i were at the home opener a couple of years ago, and i was shocked how many families were in the club.  

[Figster]

13 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

I presented the same question. Nobody had an aswer for that but sure got a solid share of eyerolls and thumbs down from the dome heads.

 

 

People can have a change of heart when you see the kind of weather that can cancel a home game.

 

Or worse...

[SoCal Deek]

28 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

I presented the same question. Nobody had an aswer for that but sure got a solid share of eyerolls and thumbs down from the dome heads.

 

 

Complainers will almost always outshout those that are applauding. It’s just the way it is. But…I don’t think the Bills are doing themselves any public relations favors by dribbling out such limited views of the new stadium. 

[ddaryl]

13 minutes ago, Figster said:

People can have a change of heart when you see the kind of weather that can cancel a home game.

 

Or worse...

I asked for an explanation of where the money would come from

People can have all the changes fo heart they want to have, the reality is who is picking up the extra $1 billion. Taxpayers ???  

The NFL and Pegula's are not picking up the cost of a dome. There is no ROI for the extra money it would cost.

 

[Jrb1979]

25 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

I asked for an explanation of where the money would come from

People can have all the changes fo heart they want to have, the reality is who is picking up the extra $1 billion. Taxpayers ???  

The NFL and Pegula's are not picking up the cost of a dome. There is no ROI for the extra money it would cost.

 

First I will say to add a dome it would less then $1 billion. The Titans new stadium with a dome is only $500 million more. The money can come for PSLs. 

 

I said earlier for me it's less about a roof but more about what there is amenity wise. From what I posted earlier it sounds very much that the new stadium will be much like Highmark but updated with wider concourses and more food options.  

 

If you look around at most stadiums in all sports, it's less about the game and more about the amenities in the stadium. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

I remember threads a few years back where it seemed most of the people on this board were adamant that any new stadium should NOT have a dome.

 

Now it seems that most of the people complaining now want a dome. 

 

We have had a lot of crappy weather games that are very important over the last few years. I think that has swayed the mindset.

 

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

Given the record inflation that we have had in the past year, I suspect that the ultimate cost of the stadium will be a lot more (unless they remove some features because of the increased costs).

 

Using an inflation calculator, the Tottenham stadium would be $1.3B now. And that stadium covers all the seats.

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will say to add a dome it would less then $1 billion. The Titans new stadium with a dome is only $500 million more. The money can come for PSLs. 

 

I said earlier for me it's less about a roof but more about what there is amenity wise. From what I posted earlier it sounds very much that the new stadium will be much like Highmark but updated with wider concourses and more food options.  

 

If you look around at most stadiums in all sports, it's less about the game and more about the amenities in the stadium. 

I keep reading comments like this with people saying the new stadium will just be a slightly upgraded Highmark Stadium. I don’t agree. From what’s been released to date the new stadium will be a unique and modern OUTDOOR venue. If you just look around the NFL at the other outdoors stadiums, there are only two with this amount of covered seating: Miami and Seattle. The rest of the outdoor stadiums (some relatively recent) are pretty much wide open, with zero covered seating, including:

 

New York/New Jersey 

New England

Philadelphia

Pittsburgh

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Chicago

Green Bay (recently renovated)

Kansas City (recently renovated)

San Francisco 

 

And many of those are in some pretty ‘well-healed’ Northeastern cities. Those facilities account for virtually half of the entire NFL! 
 

Sure. The Bills new stadium isn’t indoors. We've all known it wouldn’t be for quite some time now. But to say it’s just a newer Highmark stadium is a bit of a stretch. 

 

 

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The rest of the outdoor stadiums (some relatively recent) are pretty much wide open, with zero covered seating, including:

 

New York/New Jersey 

New England

Philadelphia

Pittsburgh

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Chicago

Green Bay (recently renovated)

Kansas City (recently renovated)

 

NONE of these are recent. They are all decade+ old stadiums. That's what pisses me off the most. We are creating a stadium that is a slightly modern twist of an OLD stadium concept.

 

If you are going to do a modern stadium then AT LEAST do the Tottenham model where every seat is covered.

 

This quasi nonsense is sad.

[ddaryl]

34 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First I will say to add a dome it would less then $1 billion. The Titans new stadium with a dome is only $500 million more. The money can come for PSLs. 

 

I said earlier for me it's less about a roof but more about what there is amenity wise. From what I posted earlier it sounds very much that the new stadium will be much like Highmark but updated with wider concourses and more food options.  

 

If you look around at most stadiums in all sports, it's less about the game and more about the amenities in the stadium. 

 

I fully disagree... tired or even conversing aboiut all this non sense. It is not going to be a dome and it is not afordable thing to do in Buffalo NY regrdless

I laugh at people lining up to pay $10K PSL to enjoy ammenities.

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by ddaryl

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

NONE of these are recent. They are all decade+ old stadiums. That's what pisses me off the most. We are creating a stadium that is a slightly modern twist of an OLD stadium concept.

 

If you are going to do a modern stadium then AT LEAST do the Tottenham model where every seat is covered.

 

This quasi nonsense is sad.

So...we'll put you down as a 'no' vote then?

Duly noted! 

Edited March 1, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Jrb1979]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I keep reading comments like this with people saying the new stadium will just be a slightly upgraded Highmark Stadium. I don’t agree. From what’s been released to date the new stadium will be a unique and modern OUTDOOR venue. If you just look around the NFL at the other outdoors stadiums, there are only two with this amount of covered seating: Miami and Seattle. The rest of the outdoor stadiums (some relatively recent) are pretty much wide open, with zero covered seating, including:

 

New York/New Jersey 

New England

Philadelphia

Pittsburgh

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Chicago

Green Bay (recently renovated)

Kansas City (recently renovated)

San Francisco 

 

And many of those are in some pretty ‘well-healed’ Northeastern cities. Those facilities account for virtually half of the entire NFL! 
 

Sure. The Bills new stadium isn’t indoors. We've all known it wouldn’t be for quite some time now. But to say it’s just a newer Highmark stadium is a bit of a stretch. 

 

 

It's not about the covered seats or the look of the stadium. My comment was more about what's in the stadium. Reading between the lines of that interview I posted compared to a similar one done for the Titans stadium you would see a huge difference. The Bills stadium sounds like the amenities will be similar to what Highmark has but updated. Where as the Titans stadium will amenities that appeal to different fan types. 

 

7 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

I fully disagree... tired or even conversing aboiut all this non sense. It is not going to be a dome and it is not afordable thing to do in Buffalo NY regrdless

I laugh at people lining up to pay $10K PSL to enjoy ammenities.

 

Hate to break it to you and many on this board. They are trying to cater to a different fan base then what many of you are. There is a reason many stadiums, old and new are adding in bars in the corners of the stadium and kids areas. The hardcore fans base is not big enough or has enough money to afford the prices of going to games in the future 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not about the covered seats or the look of the stadium. My comment was more about what's in the stadium. Reading between the lines of that interview I posted compared to a similar one done for the Titans stadium you would see a huge difference. The Bills stadium sounds like the amenities will be similar to what Highmark has but updated. Where as the Titans stadium will amenities that appeal to different fan types. 

 

Hate to break it to you and many on this board. They are trying to cater to a different fan base then what many of you are. There is a reason many stadiums, old and new are adding in bars in the corners of the stadium and kids areas. The hardcore fans base is not big enough or has enough money to afford the prices of going to games in the future 

People are all over the map on this issue. Dome: no dome. Covered seats: completely covered seats. Amenities: complete guesses about lack of amenities.

 

I’ll try and keep putting a glass half full outlook on it. 

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Using an inflation calculator, the Tottenham stadium would be $1.3B now. And that stadium covers all the seats.

 

I will have to take a look at that . . . but, more importantly:

 

North London and London are RED.

 

ARSENAL

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

NONE of these are recent. They are all decade+ old stadiums. That's what pisses me off the most. We are creating a stadium that is a slightly modern twist of an OLD stadium concept.

 

If you are going to do a modern stadium then AT LEAST do the Tottenham model where every seat is covered.

 

This quasi nonsense is sad.

 By the way, Tottenham is not covered because it’s NEW. Their old stadium (White Hart Lane) had covered seats. All English soccer stadiums have covered seats….even the really old rundown ones. It’s been a standard there for most of the past century. That’s most definitely NOT the standard for NFL stadiums. 

 

Just saying. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Not sure how out of Chicago Area people would get this... BUT NBC Sports Chicago is airing:

 

Documentary...

 

"Bear Down and Out: The Chicago Bears move to the suburbs"

 

Building a dome in Arlington Heights, Illinois...

 

The Bears are calling Soldier Field a "dump." Putting a dome on it will be putting a dome a dump. 😆 

 

They don't wanna make the same mistakes they made 20 years rehabbing Soldier Field. 

 

As the football business changes, go big or go home the Bears are saying...

Edited March 1, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[Einstein]

39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 That’s most definitely NOT the standard for NFL stadiums. 

 

Speaking of the standard for NFL stadiums, the new standard for NFL stadiums now is a large multiple higher in quality and coolness and space than what we are getting. Sofi, for example, is 1.5 MILLION more sq feet than the new Bills stadium. Raiders new stadium is half a million sq feet larger. The Vikings stadium is nearly half a million sq feet larger. 

 

So my point was Tottenham could at least be the middle ground. Its still not as large as the new stadiums, but it least covers the seats.

instead we are getting a slightly upgraded design of a 20 year old stadium design. That is smaller than any new NFL stadium. And doesn't cover the seats.

 

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Edited March 2, 2023 by Einstein

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Speaking of the standard for NFL stadiums, the new standard for NFL stadiums now is a large multiple higher in quality and coolness and space than what we are getting. Sofi, for example, is 1.5 MILLION more sq feet than the new Bills stadium. Raiders new stadium is half a million sq feet larger. The Vikings stadium is nearly half a million sq feet larger. 

 

So my point was Tottenham could at least be the middle ground. Its still not as large as the new stadiums, but it least covers the seats.

instead we are getting a slightly upgraded design of a 20 year old stadium design. That is smaller than any new NFL stadium. And doesn't cover the seats.

 

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For heaven’s sake dude. You’re all over the map on this topic. First, it’s a roof. Now, it’s square feet. Is it that you believe someone is stealing construction money? If so, who exactly? But, if you just desperately want to sit under a cover, there’ll literally be THOUSANDS of them in the new stadium. I’m sure you can find one to your liking. 
 

Go Bills 

Edited March 2, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[ExiledInIllinois]

"You'll get nothing and like it!"

😆 

 

[Einstein]

28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

For heaven’s sake dude. You’re all over the map on this topic. First, it’s a roof. Now, it’s square feet. Is it that you believe someone is stealing construction money? If so, who exactly? But, if you just desperately want to sit under a cover, there’ll literally be THOUSANDS of them in the new stadium. I’m sure you can find one to your liking. 
 

Go Bills 

 

I’m not really sure you’re reading what i’m writing. 
 

I said, the newer stadiums and much superior. Larger, roof, etc. So the least we can do is at least get a semi-roof like Tottenham since we aren’t getting the whole shebang.

 

 

[cba fan]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yes. Your movie ticket purchase is analogous to your game ticket purchase.

 

The movie theater doesn't ask you to pay for the building whether you go to movies or not, then pay to enter the building, and then pay for the movie ticket itself.

 

The comparison is just not even remotely close.

 

 

PSL's are for stadium recouping costs. “PSLs have always been intended by the NFL to be a funding mechanism for stadium construction or renovation” Stadium attorney Daniel Etna 

 

and... "All the PSL money is used for construction on a stadium" - Pegula Vice President Ron Raccuia

 

 

 

The Oakland PSL's also go the stadium. "The PSLs.... are supposed to help the city of Oakland and Alameda County repay the $200 million cost to expand the stadium, now known as McAfee Coliseum."

 

Then when they moved to Vegas, the PSL's also go the stadium: "The additional money from personal seating licenses has allowed the team to add additional features to the stadium, more suites, a field-level club, and enhanced internet connections for fans."

 

 

This is flat out not true.

 

"The PSL money can only be used to cover the team's expenses moving out of Cleveland."

 "Not one dime (of PSL money) will go to the Modell family." - Art Modell

 

 

No, that PSL money is going back to the NFL under the g4 loan Kroenke signed to borrow the billion dollars. 

 

 

No he doesn't! He took out a $1 billion dollar g4 loan from the NFL.

 

 

Your list has all been wrong!

 

 

You keep ignoring the fact that the Tpegs contribution is being negated by the PSL's. It's not coming from his pocket. It is not coming from ticket sales.

 

It is coming from PSL's that exist only to pay off stadium debt. That is not money coming out of Tpegs wallet. That is money coming from the fans. 

 

- The fans pay for the taxpayer part of the stadium

- The fans pay for the PSL's

- The fans pay for the tickets

 

The actual cash coming from Terry's pocket - irrespective of fans - is about 10%!

 

For example: Let's say I build a roller-skating rink for $100,000. And let's say $60,000 of that comes from taxpayers in the area. And $30,000 comes via a loan that stipulates that it will be paid off via the sale of PSL's that charge other people the right to buy tickets to my rink. How much came form my pocket?

 

The Buffalo news broke this down nicely:

 

"While the Buffalo Bills owners agreed to pay $550 million toward the cost of a new stadium in Orchard Park, that doesn’t mean the Pegulas will be dipping into their own pockets for all of it."

 

 

Pegula's actual expenditure on this stadium will probably be in the 10% to 15% range.

 

the psl money is Pegs. I don't know what is not clear about this.

 

The sports owners get the PSL money and then chooses to put it into the stadium by contract. Their money. If they choose not to put it into the stadium they must put more of their "other "money into the stadium. Shell game don't matter. It is owners' money one way or the other.

 

Pegs is contributing 300 mill plus 50 mill for Highmark demo. Pegs KEEPS all PSL money he acquires, regardless of how much or how little. State and county did not want to risk an iffy PSL WNY market to tie Pegs amount to put into the new stadium. They wanted hard guarantee and got it. 

 

Kroenke getting a loan from NFL is not public money either. His sofi is private financed 100%. No taxpayer is paying that loan back. Kroenke and his partners are.

 

 

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, cba fan said:

the psl money is Pegs. I don't know what is not clear about this.

 

The sports owners get the PSL money and then chooses to put it into the stadium by contract. 

 

PSL money goes to stadiums. It was invented by Stanford in order to fund their new stadium. It’s the entire point of them. 

 

Every PSL ever used in the NFL has gone to the stadium. Mostly because g4 loans have PPL as collateral. Which is why the Rams PPL is going toward stadium debt too.

 

Without the taxfunder paid for stadium, the PSL would not even exist!

 

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Edited March 2, 2023 by Einstein

[RiotAct]

If I’m TPegs, I use all the PSL money towards Dom Perrignon and caviar.

[SoCal Deek]

46 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I’m not really sure you’re reading what i’m writing. 
 

I said, the newer stadiums and much superior. Larger, roof, etc. So the least we can do is at least get a semi-roof like Tottenham since we aren’t getting the whole shebang.

 

 

So then you do believe someone is stealing the construction money? Well at least that’s settled.

[Mike in Horseheads]

The longer this thread goes on the worse people are trying to make the place sound. All these references to Totttenham  are laughable like people have been there or something. can't ya give the place a chance?

[cba fan]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

PSL money goes to stadiums. It was invented by Stanford in order to fund their new stadium. It’s the entire point of them. 

 

Every PSL ever used in the NFL has gone to the stadium. Mostly because g4 loans have PPL as collateral. Which is why the Rams PPL is going toward stadium debt too.

 

Without the taxfunder paid for stadium, the PSL would not even exist!

 

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I get that. I do. You are right about PSL's genesis. I thought more teams directly kept some of the PSL money in past. And i am sorry for beating this topic into the ground.      But.....lol

 

This county, state, and Pegs, deal is very very different from others.

There is absolutely no language tying any of the PSL money to go to the stadium construction. Pegs is only one selling PSL's and keeps it all. Only language in it, if it is in it, is that Pegs is the only one allowed to sell PSL's. (Okland city actually marketed and sold PSL's for a while in Oakland) very weird imo but later sent it back to Team to market and sell.

There is only language stating Pegs must contribute 350 million to the deal. And get approved for the 250 million forgivable loan from NFL from its stadium fund.

 

If Pegs can't sell any PSL's or sells low amount it changes nothing for the deal. If Pegs sells 1 billion dollars or any amounts more of PSL's it changes nothing in the deal.

 

ty for the discourse and staying friendly🙃

19 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Any renderings of the troughs yet?

they need a larger🤣 overhang.................🤣

19 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by cba fan

[BillStime]

Even though it’s a soccer stadium - Indy gets it. 
 

This stadium is going downtown - looks far more dynamic including what appears to be a translucent overhang - unlike whatever cheap material they designed for us.

 

Can’t help but watch this video and not wonder what this could have done for downtown Buffalo and out of the freakn snow belt.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

This is the story outta Chicago if anyone wants to see what's happening there:

 

[Figster]

On 3/1/2023 at 6:26 PM, SoCal Deek said:

 By the way, Tottenham is not covered because it’s NEW. Their old stadium (White Hart Lane) had covered seats. All English soccer stadiums have covered seats….even the really old rundown ones. It’s been a standard there for most of the past century. That’s most definitely NOT the standard for NFL stadiums. 

 

Just saying. 

The reason I brought Tottenham into the discussion is because its one of Populous's architectural crown jewels IMO. Also the type cable suspension used for the partial roof/ over hang is somewhat unique in design. It was brought into the discussion as a compliment to Populous. So why make it into something its not.

 

Did you know one of the hold ups on this project currently has to do with Buffalo trying to make sure as much of the construction as possible is done by local contractors?   

 

Page down one to watch amazing footage of another Stadium designed by Populous (Tottenham) over hang in high winds. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by Figster

[BillStime]

Maybe the architects in the group can opine on the proposed roof in OP.... 

 

Why did the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium roof pulse during Storm Eunice?

 

 

[stevewin]

 

New Peace Bridge Renderings released

Edited March 3, 2023 by stevewin

[purple haze]

On 3/1/2023 at 12:45 PM, Jrb1979 said:

 

If you look around at most stadiums in all sports, it's less about the game and more about the amenities in the stadium. 

What amenities do you want that the new stadium won’t have?   The reason stadiums are less about the game is because teams are trying to attract non-fans or fans that have multiple other entertainment options in a large city.   Most Bills fans actually show up to watch a football  game.  The need in Nashville and Chicago or L.A. is not the need in Buffalo, Green Bay or Kansas City, etc.

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

34 minutes ago, purple haze said:

What amenities do you want that the new stadium won’t have?   The reason stadiums are less about the game is because teams are trying to attract non-fans or fans that have multiple other entertainment options in a large city.   Most Bills fans actually show up to watch a football  game.  The need in Nashville and Chicago or L.A. is not the need in Buffalo, Green Bay or Kansas City, etc.

 

 

 

 

You left one thing off - tailgating 

 

The outcry from fans who cherish tailgating more than anything doomed a downtown stadium. 
 

 

[Jrb1979]

53 minutes ago, purple haze said:

What amenities do you want that the new stadium won’t have?   The reason stadiums are less about the game is because teams are trying to attract non-fans or fans that have multiple other entertainment options in a large city.   Most Bills fans actually show up to watch a football  game.  The need in Nashville and Chicago or L.A. is not the need in Buffalo, Green Bay or Kansas City, etc.

 

 

 

 

For now they show up but I have a feeling many are going to be priced out of the new stadium. There isn't enough hardcore fans to support the prices that come with a new stadium. They need to attract those non-fans. 

[Breakout Squad]

23 hours ago, BillStime said:

Even though it’s a soccer stadium - Indy gets it. 
 

This stadium is going downtown - looks far more dynamic including what appears to be a translucent overhang - unlike whatever cheap material they designed for us.

 

Can’t help but watch this video and not wonder what this could have done for downtown Buffalo and out of the freakn snow belt.

 

 

Yeah but it’s at least $1 Billion for a 20,000 seat stadium. With office space that would never fill in Buffalo. And I’m sure the apartments are outrageous in price. Just doesn’t seem to compare to our situation. 
 

Indy related tho, I wish the Bills would’ve built a stadium similar to the Colts stadium years ago. Would’ve been cheaper back then and enclosed for $1 Billion. 

[LeGOATski]

On 3/2/2023 at 6:38 PM, BillStime said:

Even though it’s a soccer stadium - Indy gets it. 
 

This stadium is going downtown - looks far more dynamic including what appears to be a translucent overhang - unlike whatever cheap material they designed for us.

 

Can’t help but watch this video and not wonder what this could have done for downtown Buffalo and out of the freakn snow belt.

 

 

It would've done nothing. It's not a "if you build it, they will come" situation. There needs to be actual demand first.

 

A lot of people in this thread seem to view Buffalo as a big city for some reason.

[purple haze]

8 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

For now they show up but I have a feeling many are going to be priced out of the new stadium. There isn't enough hardcore fans to support the prices that come with a new stadium. They need to attract those non-fans. 

I doubt there’s that many non-football fans to get in the area.  The fans that choose not to go to games now probably will when the drunk and fighting contingent is marginalized.  The stadium will be smaller too.  I don’t think crowds will be an issue.