Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He hasn’t lost anything yet.  Long way to go. 
 

 

 

He's lost at least $42M the past 2 seasons compared to what Josh has made since he signed his extension.  Again he's not making that up, especially if he's forced to play under the franchise tender this year.

[H2o]

46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He hasn’t lost anything yet.  Long way to go. 
 

 

I like Lamar and he's fun to watch play. But even a lot of his passing is set up by his legs, or the threat there of. I know I've watched him throw 10 or 15 TD's in the Red Zone where he could run, but throws a little 3 yard type TD pass. He's one of the best scramble drill QB's I've ever seen, especially running to his right. He is NOT a traditional pocket passer though and never has been. He still struggles reading defenses, throwing passes outside the hashes, and with timing consistently.  

[Thrivefourfive]

He’s not a passer! What is this myth by all those that think Lamar is getting screwed out of money. If he was so good, where’s the money?? Truth is he was really lucky the Ravens transformed their entire offense to play to his strength, and both sides won. The Ravens were cool with continuing that, and consider his injuries (which no one cannot ignore), and sign him to a contract last year. 
 

Now, who wants him?? If he’s so freaking good, and such a great passer, who wants the fastest quarterback in the NFL?? Right now Lamar is colluding with Lamar. Obviously. 

[C.Biscuit97]

47 minutes ago, H2o said:

I like Lamar and he's fun to watch play. But even a lot of his passing is set up by his legs, or the threat there of. I know I've watched him throw 10 or 15 TD's in the Red Zone where he could run, but throws a little 3 yard type TD pass. He's one of the best scramble drill QB's I've ever seen, especially running to his right. He is NOT a traditional pocket passer though and never has been. He still struggles reading defenses, throwing passes outside the hashes, and with timing consistently.  

I’m not going to say he will ever be an elite passer but the Ravens have done him no favors. They have had one pro bowl offensive weapons, Andrews. Their receivers have been some of the worst in the league. Gabe Davis would be by far their best receiver and people hate him now! The best one he has ever had, Hollywood, is tiny and a number 2 at best on a good team and they traded him. 
 

I guess I’m in the minority but I think the guy who won a Heisman and mvp at 25 is really good. I watching good qb play so I would love to see him in a situation like Tua has in Miami with fast receivers. It’d be a problem. 

[H2o]

36 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m not going to say he will ever be an elite passer but the Ravens have done him no favors. They have had one pro bowl offensive weapons, Andrews. Their receivers have been some of the worst in the league. Gabe Davis would be by far their best receiver and people hate him now! The best one he has ever had, Hollywood, is tiny and a number 2 at best on a good team and they traded him. 
 

I guess I’m in the minority but I think the guy who won a Heisman and mvp at 25 is really good. I watching good qb play so I would love to see him in a situation like Tua has in Miami with fast receivers. It’d be a problem. 

He definitely would be much better off in NY with the Jets or Miami. I think he is exactly the type of QB that Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman were looking for in SF though. He's CK, the upgraded in a lab version. Brown is better than Davis though. At least he can get separation. And the TE's? He's had one of the best TE's in the NFL in Andrew's, and Hurst wasn't a slouch either. Not to mention, the threat of his legs makes things happen. He'd definitely be a problem, like you said, in either Miami, NY, and possibly even Washington. 

Edited March 18 by H2o

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He hasn’t lost anything yet.  Long way to go. 

 

He has absolutely lost money by not having an agent. Where are his commercials? Where are his endorsement deals? Allen has Gillette. Mahomes and Rodgers have State Farm. Brady has Subway. Even Baker Mayfield had Progressive and at no point in his career has he been a better QB than Lamar Jackson.

 

Lamar has been an MVP and one of the most famous faces in the NFL since he's been a starter. All he has to show for it financially is the earnings from his rookie contract. He could have several endorsement deals and $100 million guaranteed locked up by now. He's being stupid and/or getting bad advice, no way you can argue otherwise.

 

Edited March 18 by HappyDays

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m not going to say he will ever be an elite passer but the Ravens have done him no favors. They have had one pro bowl offensive weapons, Andrews. Their receivers have been some of the worst in the league. Gabe Davis would be by far their best receiver and people hate him now! The best one he has ever had, Hollywood, is tiny and a number 2 at best on a good team and they traded him. 
 

I guess I’m in the minority but I think the guy who won a Heisman and mvp at 25 is really good. I watching good qb play so I would love to see him in a situation like Tua has in Miami with fast receivers. It’d be a problem. 

I agree with all of this except I think Bateman is a better WR than Gabe Davis.  Bad system, bad throws + injuries have knocked him down the rung, but I think he’s pretty good

[QLBillsFan]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m not going to say he will ever be an elite passer but the Ravens have done him no favors. They have had one pro bowl offensive weapons, Andrews. Their receivers have been some of the worst in the league. Gabe Davis would be by far their best receiver and people hate him now! The best one he has ever had, Hollywood, is tiny and a number 2 at best on a good team and they traded him. 
 

I guess I’m in the minority but I think the guy who won a Heisman and mvp at 25 is really good. I watching good qb play so I would love to see him in a situation like Tua has in Miami with fast receivers. It’d be a problem. 

All true. But they created an entire O around him to generate his stats. He will not be good in a traditional O. Good luck to the next OC with him. 

[stuvian]

I think the Ravens will go to 4 years at 50 million a year guaranteed and stop there. 

[C.Biscuit97]

13 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

All true. But they created an entire O around him to generate his stats. He will not be good in a traditional O. Good luck to the next OC with him. 

I mean, I don’t agree with that. He played in a very pro style offense in college. 
 

and even if he could work in one offense, why not get him better receivers? They have our little to no investment into fixing their crappy receivers. And given they suck at drafting them, they should do a Diggs type trade. 
 

the ravens are a great organization but they suck at building offenses.

[QLBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean, I don’t agree with that. He played in a very pro style offense in college. 
 

and even if he could work in one offense, why not get him better receivers? They have our little to no investment into fixing their crappy receivers. And given they suck at drafting them, they should do a Diggs type trade. 
 

the ravens are a great organization but they suck at building offenses.

You make some good points. But while they did not provide him great WR’s the entire O is the RPO set. WR’s seemed to be happy to leave partially because the O is run first but also they don’t see Lamar as an elite thrower. 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

You make some good points. But while they did not provide him great WR’s the entire O is the RPO set. WR’s seemed to be happy to leave partially because the O is run first but also they don’t see Lamar as an elite thrower. 

And I’m not going to call him an elite thrower but they aren’t helping him. Which receiver has left Lamar and did better in the new situation? Hollywood brown, who’s not a number 1 but was playing one, was a 1,000 yard receiver in  Baltimore. His number went down in his first year in Arizona. 
 

Look at allen before Diggs. Much different player. Gets Diggs and it was like steroids.  I won’t say Lamar will be allen throwing but the guy won a MVP with basically scrubs around him besides Edwards. The ravens have one of the least talented offensive groups in the nfl. 

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

And I’m not going to call him an elite thrower but they aren’t helping him. Which receiver has left Lamar and did better in the new situation? Hollywood brown, who’s not a number 1 but was playing one, was a 1,000 yard receiver in  Baltimore. His number went down in his first year in Arizona. 
 

Look at allen before Diggs. Much different player. Gets Diggs and it was like steroids.  I won’t say Lamar will be allen throwing but the guy won a MVP with basically scrubs around him besides Edwards. The ravens have one of the least talented offensive groups in the nfl. 

I follow you. In fairness to Hollywood KM being injured really takes the comparison out vs the teams. The OL for the Ravens has certainly been above average. I will agree in the right situation Lamar could be solid. He’s also had the benefit of a stout D where 24 points will win most games since his W-L record is impressive. 

[Green Lightning]

On 3/18/2023 at 4:53 PM, Thrivefourfive said:

He’s not a passer! What is this myth by all those that think Lamar is getting screwed out of money. If he was so good, where’s the money?? Truth is he was really lucky the Ravens transformed their entire offense to play to his strength, and both sides won. The Ravens were cool with continuing that, and consider his injuries (which no one cannot ignore), and sign him to a contract last year. 
 

Now, who wants him?? If he’s so freaking good, and such a great passer, who wants the fastest quarterback in the NFL?? Right now Lamar is colluding with Lamar. Obviously. 

Have to agree with some of this. He's a great player. But a team has to build an entire offense around his skill set and hope his legs hold up, which has been an issue. It's too big a chance to take on a 100% guaranteed contract.

[aristocrat]

Teams will blow stupid money on wash ups like wentz, Ryan and foles but scared to give real money to a legit talent. Scared money don’t make money 

[Behindenemylines]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Teams will blow stupid money on wash ups like wentz, Ryan and foles but scared to give real money to a legit talent. Scared money don’t make money 

But smart money does.  If LJ was almost reasonable he would have had a deal last year.  

 

he will end up losing far more is my assumption.  
 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Lamar Jackson spent last offseason mapping his throws like Josh did in 2020, and went out and early in the season looked to be MVP level Lamar. Then injuries among skill positions took hold, and Jackson himself going down. Dude is going to get paid as he just turned 26. 

[SCBills]

On 3/18/2023 at 5:29 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m not going to say he will ever be an elite passer but the Ravens have done him no favors. They have had one pro bowl offensive weapons, Andrews. Their receivers have been some of the worst in the league. Gabe Davis would be by far their best receiver and people hate him now! The best one he has ever had, Hollywood, is tiny and a number 2 at best on a good team and they traded him. 
 

I guess I’m in the minority but I think the guy who won a Heisman and mvp at 25 is really good. I watching good qb play so I would love to see him in a situation like Tua has in Miami with fast receivers. It’d be a problem. 

Gabe Davis was a 4th RD pick. 
 

Ravens have drafted Lamar 2-RD1 WR’s and 2-RD3 WR’s. 
 

They’ve also drafted a bunch of TE’s, including Andrews and invested more in OL than we have. 
 

Maybe Lamar just can’t elevate anybody. 

[aristocrat]

15 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

But smart money does.  If LJ was almost reasonable he would have had a deal last year.  

 

he will end up losing far more is my assumption.  
 

 

If teams were smart they’d make way more money if they signed him and managed to win a title. Guy is a top five talent and with weapons on offense would be deep playoff team. 

[Behindenemylines]

21 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

If teams were smart they’d make way more money if they signed him and managed to win a title. Guy is a top five talent and with weapons on offense would be deep playoff team. 

Not at those guarantees.   There is a higher than typical chance  he doesn’t play another full season again and could be out of the league due to injury.   It’s just too expensive and risky from an actuarial stand point I assume.