FrenchConnection Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: I've said it a couple of times now, but the thing I don't get is that Lamar will see every dollar of whatever 4-6 year contract he ends up signing. What's the big deal? If the Ravens are that worried about a potential catastrophic injury, then both parties need to part ways. Basic pride/ego. He thinks “Deshawn Watson got that much and I’m better than him so I should get more.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: I honestly don’t know why they didn’t negotiate in earnest after season 3. Maybe he rightly suspected the deals would start to get nutty if he waited another year (they did.) that could have also been a mistake on his part sure, since the more he played into that rookie deal, the more risk of injury (which also happened.) All the reports were that right after Josh Allen signed his contract, Lamar was offered a 5-year for a little more per year money. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Not sure what you mean about not playing out the rookie contract. Players sign "extensions" to their rookie contracts. Josh signed before his 4th season. Technically this is the first year of Josh Allen's 6-year extension. Well what I meant to say was that after his third year he was potentially looking at waiting two years for a new contract (if the Ravens extended). That's when agents start agitating for a new contract assuming they are representing talents like Lamar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Augie said: Well, there are a dozen games he didn’t play, and he didn’t help. Most of them in the last 2 seasons. As he ages and slows, I don’t know that that will improve. That hurts his value in my mind. 🤷♂️ I love the guys winning percentage, and he’s fun to watch. I’m just not going to do anything that will set a bad precedent and possibly cripple the franchise for this, however. So $133m guaranteed won’t cripple a franchise, but $180m will? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Billl said: Lamar, we don’t want to pay you if you get hurt trying to win games for us. Also, you’re a bum if you don’t risk your career by playing injured. Nobody said that. I don’t think he should play if he’s hurt. See TT and the Dolphins. The 💯 guarantee is what he’s hung up on. The team doesn’t want to be on the hook for a guy not contributing. It’s a risk at 60% but at 100 with a guy who has been injured shouldn’t be that hard to fathom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: All the reports were that right after Josh Allen signed his contract, Lamar was offered a 5-year for a little more per year money. If that's true I wonder why he would refuse at least entering into a negotiation. It would have been normal and prudent to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, ColoradoBills said: All the reports were that right after Josh Allen signed his contract, Lamar was offered a 5-year for a little more per year money. I was wondering about that and trying to think back but can't remember for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Nobody said that. I don’t think he should play if he’s hurt. See TT and the Dolphins. The 💯 guarantee is what he’s hung up on. The team doesn’t want to be on the hook for a guy not contributing. It’s a risk at 60% but at 100 with a guy who has been injured shouldn’t be that hard to fathom. Nobody’s dragged Lamar for not playing last year? Are you serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Billl said: So $133m guaranteed won’t cripple a franchise, but $180m will? I’m not negotiating his deal, or defending the team. All the other QB’s are able to get their deals done. Reasonable people with experienced representation. Piece of cake! Done deals all over. Lamar is the outlier. Why is that? What is different? He wants 100% guaranteed which is a precedent set by the idiot Browns owner, and his Mommy is his agent. This is pretty simple, and I’m tiring of it, nothing personal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Billl said: Nobody’s dragged Lamar for not playing last year? Are you serious? But I do drag him for not being on the sidelines with his teammates during the playoff game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, starrymessenger said: If that's true I wonder why he would refuse at least entering into a negotiation. It would have been normal and prudent to do so. One has to consider we are talking about Lamar Jackson, who is neither normal nor prudent… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: If that's true I wonder why he would refuse at least entering into a negotiation. It would have been normal and prudent to do so. It just seems like it might be that he wants out of Baltimore is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOBART Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: All the reports were that right after Josh Allen signed his contract, Lamar was offered a 5-year for a little more per year money. What he has NOT collected since, has to be factored in, since he walked away from that deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Billl said: So $133m guaranteed won’t cripple a franchise, but $180m will? Well I guess it’s possible? Since it’s $47m more … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Basic pride/ego. He thinks “Deshawn Watson got that much and I’m better than him so I should get more.” Honestly, that’s a big part of it I’d bet. And, while we can debate which one is actually the better QB, Lamar, to his credit: 1. Has the better W-L record (yes I know wins are team stats, not QB stats); 2. Has an MVP; 3. Isn’t a complete scumbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Well I guess it’s possible? Since it’s $47m more … How about you and I split that spare change??? 😋 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said: It just seems like it might be that he wants out of Baltimore is my guess Well maybe there has been too much under the bridge at this point, but I tend to think the Ravens have acted professionally throughout and shown abundance of respect. Sorry but to me this is on Lamar. I truly regret this mess because I think Lamar has probably worsened his situation and to all accounts he's not only a unique talent but a great guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Basic pride/ego. He thinks “Deshawn Watson got that much and I’m better than him so I should get more.” I don't fault Lamar for wanting a fully guaranteed contract. I think that's where the league is headed with the star QBs anyway. It may be what you stated earlier about Biscotti having to put the guaranteed amount in escrow. Part of me understands, but it's not like Stevie boy can't afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, Billl said: Nobody’s dragged Lamar for not playing last year? Are you serious? On this thread ? I’ve seen he’s been injured brought up. I may have missed where people said he should play hurt on here. If so my miss, I certainly don’t agree that should be held against him. But he has been injured. And I think you have to admit that his contentious approach hasn’t been helpful. The other teams aren’t offering deals because they would totally screwed if the Ravens match. These are all issues that he created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: I was wondering about that and trying to think back but can't remember for sure 2 years is a long time ago in football. Us Bills fans have not had to concern ourselves the way Raven fans have during that time. Can you imagine this message board if the roles were reversed? I'm not anti-Lamar fan, but I truly believe that without an agent he has no knowledge of the effects this has on the Ravens organization. Not just the financing of his contract but the aftereffects he has created. Agents not only attempt to get what they can from the team, but they also know how to help the team in working through these huge contracts to keep the team competitive. The Bills had the opportunity to restructure Josh Allen's 1st true year of his contact yesterday to help the team. The Ravens are stuck with uncertainty and probably will have to live with Lamar's tag which can't be restructured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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