TheFunPolice Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, BBFL said: The sticking point becomes injuries. You have to feel that’s the only reservation Baltimore is having in fronting all of that money. On the dichotomy of the guaranteed money… Makes sense why Lamar is pushing for it. You have a QB out there who got it. You’re the cornerstone to that franchise’s current success. Who knows how long you’ll play or if you’ll ever even complete 16/17 games a season again. Lamar's tweet was interesting... I wonder if he would do a 3 year deal if it was 100% guaranteed? It's less total $$ but in 3 years he would be able to cash in again for even more, one would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 YES YOU STILL NEED AN AGENT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I like Lamar as a person...or how he presents himself to the public. But man, he's being stupid here. If you don't like the numbers you're being offered, get an agent. You are obviously not doing a good enough job yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4pm TODAY, the window opens for other teams to start talking with Lamar. We'll see how it goes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Lamar's tweet was interesting... I wonder if he would do a 3 year deal if it was 100% guaranteed? It's less total $$ but in 3 years he would be able to cash in again for even more, one would think. Just keep playing on the tags then 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchConnection Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I like Lamar as a person...or how he presents himself to the public. But man, he's being stupid here. If you don't like the numbers you're being offered, get an agent. You are obviously not doing a good enough job yourself. Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers? Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...) Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, FrenchConnection said: Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know? Worked out for Roquon Smith within the same organization… 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BBFL said: Just keep playing on the tags then 😂 He could maybe negotiate a 2 year, $100 million deal, all guaranteed. It would make the franchise tag after a huge $$, basically guaranteeing him $150 million in 3 years. What if the real issue is that he just doesn't want to play in Baltimore? You can't come out and say that as a QB, but if you're the victim of an unfair team then people get it and fans will be angry at the Ravens instead of Lamar if he leaves. Thus all these stories being leaked that the Ravens offered Lamar the moon and stars and he turned it down or just wouldn't answer/engage with them (and Lamar mocking the stories on Twitter). Edited March 15 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know? He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB. He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either). He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers? Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...) Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. The offers, from what have been reported, look absolutely reasonable. It’s business. Both sides want to see them get maximum value from their target area/price. Some times you got to give a little… Something Lamar seems totally unwilling to do. Definitely don’t agree with it but again like the previous post, the reasons are understandable as to why he’s being so stubborn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, BBFL said: Worked out for Roquon Smith within the same organization… 🤷♂️ Smith is a low profile LB who majored in Economics. Lamar, on the other hand, didnt go to Louisville to play school. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB. He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either). He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves. Networking more often than not is #1. There can be isolated cases but these connections bring more than just a playing contract. Rose hay’s is a perfect example you reference. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers? Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...) Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. The Ravens leak them. Everyone knows where they are coming from because it's either the team or the agent, and Lamar doesnt have an agent. He just pops off directly on twitter. He doesnt have an agent playing the other side of the game against the team. This isnt a secret or a trick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BBFL said: The offers, from what have been reported, look absolutely reasonable. It’s business. Both sides want to see them get maximum value from their target area/price. Some times you got to give a little… Something Lamar seems totally unwilling to do. Definitely don’t agree with it but again like the previous post, the reasons are understandable as to why he’s being so stubborn. Which makes me think he wants to play somewhere else but doesn't want to come out and say that. A franchise QB coming out and saying "I want out of here" is a total heel turn type move that not even Rodgers is doing. Even he (Rodgers) has been framing it as a "mutual decision" and based on where the Packers are. "Lamar forced his way out of Baltimore when they bent over backwards to accommodate him, even building an entire offense around his skillset so he could succeed " vs "the Ravens refused to pay Lamar what he is worth so he had to go somewhere else to get what he has earned" are 2 totally different PR spins Edited March 15 by TheFunPolice 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: 4pm TODAY, the window opens for other teams to start talking with Lamar. We'll see how it goes... So with the clock ticking in this saga what team/s do you think, if any, send an offer Lamar’s way? Commanders? Snyder’s big F.U. pièce de résistance To the NFL? Won’t have to pay the contract if he’s phased out. Edited March 15 by BBFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said: Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know? It’s my understanding from the NFL that some agents and these big deals will go at 1%. He certainly could have and still could say I’m giving 1% and that’s it. I’m sure an agent would take it. But his arrogance and hubris of showing how much he’s been offered ,as why he doesn’t need an agent makes no sense. It’s unfortunate he’s taken this position. But to me it signals a lack of big picture understanding in his role as a team leader. Feeling fortunate the Bills have JA and not just for his on field ability. Edited March 15 by QLBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB. He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either). He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves. I believe that Gronk made more money in endorsements than salary, Mahomes likely is in a similar boat. Jackson might want to do the other stuff but 3% of even 300 million is not as much as he could make otherwise easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 LAMAR JACKSONQB, BALTIMORE RAVENS ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Ravens have been "involved in the free agent quarterback market." "The Ravens, who face uncertainty around Lamar Jackson's future, have been involved in the free agent quarterback market," was Fowler's exact report. "(They have looked) into options such as Baker Mayfield and Jacoby Brissett before they signed with Tampa and Washington, per league sources. Baltimore appears to be looking for flexibility." That's a spicy meatball, though it's still not a sign in and of itself they expect to be without Jackson for 2023. They could just be looking for a more reliable backup after Tyler Huntley took a major step back in 2022. It is still intriguing with Jackson and the Ravens clearly at contract loggerheads. https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/710/lamar-jackson At some point Lamar is going to force the Raven's hand. Wasn't the last offer $44mm a year for three years fully guaranteed? That's a legit offer from the Ravens. If Lamar won't agree to a market value contract the Ravens are going to have to start looking at other long term options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, we're off! 4:15pm opened the window for teams talking to Lamar. We'll see if any suitors come calling. And the Ravens get to sit back and see what anyone negotiates with him, and decide to match it or take their picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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