Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[Mikie2times]

4 hours ago, DrBob806 said:

Yet to be seen if the Browns made a monumental mistake. I get it, the Browns have a horrible track record, but they did what they thought they had to do. Lurking beneath their reputation is a pretty decent football team, & if Watson can shake the cobwebs off the Browns will definitely be a factor in the AFC this season.

Lamar for 150 Million or Watson for 200 million? I'm paying the 200 million. Watson doesn't have anything in his game that should put a ceiling over him while Lamar arguably does. I just couldn't commit the kind of money he wants until he shows he's better as a passer. He certainly  can be exciting at times. He's an incredible athlete. But for premium money I need a guy that can win from the pocket. Investing a large sum in somebody who can't is a disaster and certainly worth additional money to get somebody who can. 

Edited April 17, 2023 by KzooMike

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

Lamar for 150 Million or Watson for 200 million? I'm paying the 200 million. Watson doesn't have anything in his game that should put a ceiling over him while Lamar arguably does. I just couldn't commit the kind of money he wants until he shows he's better as a passer. He certainly  can be exciting at times. He's an incredible athlete. But for premium money I need a guy that can win from the pocket. Investing a large sum in somebody who can't is a disaster and certainly worth additional money to get somebody who can. 

 

Watson is 31-28 (Jackson is 45-16).  Both are 1-2 in the playoffs for their careers. 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Watson is 31-28 (Jackson is 45-16).  Both are 1-2 in the playoffs for their careers. 

 

 

I would say the Ravens had a slightly better core than Houston 🤣

 

I would also triple down on Watson going deeper in the playoffs in his career. Lamar will never see a championship game, Watson has a legit chance at a Super Bowl with the right group. Much better passer and that's what matters. Not regular season wins under Romans joke offense that Tyrod Taylor made the pro bowl with. 

[Don Otreply]

Lamar would already be signed to a large money contract if he had an agent, and this whole absurd dance would likely never have happened, the Lamar mindset is best described as a classic case of the Dunning Kruger syndrome…

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Watson is 31-28 (Jackson is 45-16).  Both are 1-2 in the playoffs for their careers. 

 

 

Watson had a cutthroat agent and Lamar didn’t.  That’s the difference.

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I would say the Ravens had a slightly better core than Houston 🤣

 

I would also triple down on Watson going deeper in the playoffs in his career. Lamar will never see a championship game, Watson has a legit chance at a Super Bowl with the right group. Much better passer and that's what matters. Not regular season wins under Romans joke offense that Tyrod Taylor made the pro bowl with. 

 

Watson won't see a championship game.  "The right group" is the Browns?

 

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Watson had a cutthroat agent and Lamar didn’t.  That’s the difference.

 

No...Watson has an idiot for an owner.  That's the difference.

[Mikie2times]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Watson won't see a championship game.  "The right group" is the Browns?

 

 

No...Watson has an idiot for an owner.  That's the difference.

 

Watson in Cleveland > Jackson in Baltimore

 

Look at what Watson did in Houston vs Lamar in Baltimore in playoff games (I don't know where you got 1-2 from, Lamar is 1-3). It's not close. 

 

Lamar Jackson 1-3

75 for 136,  55.88%,  225 Yards,  3 TD's and 5 INT's, 68.3 Passer rating

 

Deshawn Watson 1-2

80 for 126, 63.5%,  290 Yards, 4 TD's and 1 INT, 91 Passer Rating 

 

No, again, the difference is Lamar can't throw the ball. He would be signed right now if he could throw the ball. 

Edited April 17, 2023 by KzooMike

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

 

Watson in Cleveland > Jackson in Baltimore

 

Look at what Watson did in Houston vs Lamar in Baltimore in playoff games (I don't know where you got 1-2 from, Lamar is 1-3). It's not close. 

 

Lamar Jackson 1-3

75 for 136,  55.88%,  225 Yards,  3 TD's and 5 INT's, 68.3 Passer rating

 

Deshawn Watson 1-2

80 for 126, 63.5%,  290 Yards, 4 TD's and 1 INT, 91 Passer Rating 

 

No, again, the difference is Lamar can't throw the ball. He would be signed right now if he could throw the ball. 

 

They each have a single career playoff win. Jackson wasn't good in the playoffs (I didn't suggest otherwise), but 4 passing TDs over 3 playoff games (in 2 of the games he had  a whopping total of 101 attempts completing only 59%)...stinks.  

 

Watson isn't taking the Browns to the SB, no matter how much you triple down on it

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

No...Watson has an idiot for an owner.  That's the difference.

That's also a reason but if Lamar had an agent he wouldn't have stepped on the field for the 2021 season without a contract given his stock was sky high at the time being only one year removed from an MVP season.  Now it's two straight years without being able to finish the season with them due to injuries.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

That's also a reason but if Lamar had an agent he wouldn't have stepped on the field for the 2021 season without a contract given his stock was sky high at the time being only one year removed from an MVP season.  Now it's two straight years without being able to finish the season with them due to injuries.

 

Do you think his agent would have forced him somehow to accept a deal offered?

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, KzooMike said:

 

Watson in Cleveland > Jackson in Baltimore

 

Look at what Watson did in Houston vs Lamar in Baltimore in playoff games (I don't know where you got 1-2 from, Lamar is 1-3). It's not close. 

 

Lamar Jackson 1-3

75 for 136,  55.88%,  225 Yards,  3 TD's and 5 INT's, 68.3 Passer rating

 

Deshawn Watson 1-2

80 for 126, 63.5%,  290 Yards, 4 TD's and 1 INT, 91 Passer Rating 

 

No, again, the difference is Lamar can't throw the ball. He would be signed right now if he could throw the ball. 

Lamar has not been what one can call effective in the post season, he at this point is very likely to be a limited passer for the duration of his career. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Do you think his agent would have forced him somehow to accept a deal offered?

I think with an agent he would have gone a similar route as Kyler Murray. I think Murray's team knew the more he played the worse it was going to look, that, and he was under risk of injury given how he played. So instead of letting the deal expire then having the Cardinals in a position where they saw another year with god knows what possibly happening, Murray's camp aggressively pursued a new contract. Which ended up being pretty smart given Murray only hurt his stock prior to suffering a season ending injury.  

Edited April 18, 2023 by KzooMike

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I think with an agent he would have gone a similar route as Kyler Murray. I think Murray's team knew the more he played the worse it was going to look, that, and he was under risk of injury given how he played. So instead of letting the deal expire then having the Cardinals in a position where they saw another year with god knows what possibly happening, Murray's camp aggressively pursued a new contract. Which ended up being pretty smart given Murray only hurt his stock prior to suffering a season ending injury.  

 

Murray's agent would have gone aggressively after that deal because Murray wanted that deal, confident he was worthy of it.  It wouldn't make sense that only the agent, and not the team's FO, would take into consideration the potential for injury when demanding or offering a certain contract amount.  If the Cardinals were as worried about Murray's next injury they wouldn't have given him that crazy deal.

 

Having said that,  certainly the Ravens have Jackson's injury prone nature in mind in current negotiations.  There's no agent who could make that go away. 

[QLBillsFan]

On 4/16/2023 at 8:03 PM, Doc said:

 

OK then, it's only $25M. 

3% of $30m (max for agents, he could have negotiated lower).. so he has only lost $29.1m 😎

On 4/18/2023 at 5:43 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Murray's agent would have gone aggressively after that deal because Murray wanted that deal, confident he was worthy of it.  It wouldn't make sense that only the agent, and not the team's FO, would take into consideration the potential for injury when demanding or offering a certain contract amount.  If the Cardinals were as worried about Murray's next injury they wouldn't have given him that crazy deal.

 

Having said that,  certainly the Ravens have Jackson's injury prone nature in mind in current negotiations.  There's no agent who could make that go away. 

The Murray deal did not favors to Lamar or the Ravens. Is Murray a guy you want leading your franchise. At least up to this contract fiasco, Lamar has shown leadership and a great work ethic. Bad owners in Cleveland and Arizona have created an unwarranted market. The Hurts deal could possibly do the same but a bit early to tell. 

[Doc]

Hurts didn't take a fully-guaranteed deal Lamar.  You won't get one.

[Roundybout]

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[C.Biscuit97]

Wow, I was right again. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Some of the people who called Lamar idiots sure look like idiots themselves. 

[Billl]

53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Some of the people who called Lamar idiots sure look like idiots themselves. 

I’m sure they’re carefully crafting their apology letters to us.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 4/22/2023 at 7:54 PM, Doc said:

Hurts didn't take a fully-guaranteed deal Lamar.  You won't get one.

 

Props to Doc for being right!

[Billl]

On 4/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, Billl said:

I don't disagree that he's taking what I would consider to be too big of a risk, but it's paid off so far in that he didn't sustain an injury that will prevent him from playing in future seasons.  My assumption is that he will eventually sign a long term deal that pays him a little less than what he's asking for but more than the $133 million guaranteed over 5 years he supposedly turned down.  As of this minute, he has lost nothing in terms of realized income, though.

 

As for endorsements, this doesn't impact anything.  He's never been particularly marketable as a spokesperson.  His contract won't impact that in the slightest.

 

I want to be clear that if I were advising him, I'd suggest signing the best long term deal he can get this off-season.  I'm simply disputing the notion that he's somehow already earned less than he would have if he'd taken the deal last year (not to mention the absurd claims that his salary 2 years ago was somehow impacted by not signing an offer that didn't get made until  September of 2022).

 

On 4/10/2023 at 10:10 PM, Billl said:

So you think he’s not going to make $133M in the next 3 seasons?  That’s the bar, and I’ll take the over.

 

On 4/10/2023 at 10:17 PM, KzooMike said:

Not guaranteed he won’t 

 

On 4/11/2023 at 8:20 AM, Einstein said:

 

I genuinely don’t think he understands. He keeps talking about how Lamar will make more on the transition tag this year than Allen, ignoring the previous 2 year payday. Ravens offered Lamar a huge deal in 2021.  He also says Lamar’s deal is independent of Allen’s, despite the Ravens offering Lamar a contract worth more than Allen’s. He also compared Lamar’s strategy to Kirk, which isn’t the same as Kirk played under franchise tags, not transition tags, which is a large monetary difference, AND Kirk wasn’t being offered the second largest QB contract in the league and turning it down. I genuinely think he is just ignorant in this particular conversation.

This has been a fun re-read.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, I was right again. 

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

 

They don't get it...

[Freddie's Dead]

This thread is *****in' hilarious.  Le'Veon Bell redux.  Idiot agent with an idiot client.

 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Weird victory lap. He got his big contract two years later than he should have. He will never get that money back. Still no endorsement deals either.

yup. Took on big risk to get less overall and maybe miss a 3rd contract 

 

that said, i should be so dumb as to ear 260m, so I can only mock him so much but it certainly wasn’t the optimum outcome 

[C.Biscuit97]

They gave Lamar a bag and finally got him some receivers. 
 

AFC is going to be a beast this year. 

[Mikie2times]

16 hours ago, Billl said:

 

 

 

This has been a fun re-read.

Dude, you actually have time to remember and circle back with people that disagreed with you on an internet forum? You must be a hit in real life. 

[Doc]

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Props to Doc for being right!

 

Thanks but this was pretty obvious.  And I never once said that he didn't deserve the contract he got, just not a fully guaranteed one.  And he didn't get one.  

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Props to Doc for being right!

 

the entire human race was predicting Jackson would not get a fully guaranteed contract.....

 

Anyway, the Ravens are stuck with Cam Newton 2.0 for years to come.  260 mil for maybe a WC win or 2. 

[DrDawkinstein]

34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

the entire human race was predicting Jackson would not get a fully guaranteed contract.....

 

Anyway, the Ravens are stuck with Cam Newton 2.0 for years to come.  260 mil for maybe a WC win or 2. 

 

I know. I was mostly sticking it to C Biscuit and Billl who were in the middle of their "victory lap" claiming how right they were. Figured congratulating someone else would be a funny/dick move. And Doc, and the rest of us, were right.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[prissythecat]

On 3/24/2023 at 11:32 PM, Governor said:

I think the Ravens are praying someone trades for him but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. At that point they’re basically screwed and he will probably sit or the Ravens could make an example out of him and just bench him. It could get ugly.

 

I said 2 years ago that the Jackson experiment in Baltimore was coming to a close and I still believe that. That first Bills game made their decision for them. That was his ceiling.

 

It’s time to move on before they all get fired.

 

 

So  I've missed the developments in the past week,   did the Jackson experiment come to a close?   

[Dopey]

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 4/28/2023 at 11:27 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I know. I was mostly sticking it to C Biscuit and Billl who were in the middle of their "victory lap" claiming how right they were. Figured congratulating someone else would be a funny/dick move. And Doc, and the rest of us, were right.

 

 

Are you Ashton Kutcher and I’m being punk’d? How is getting 260 million and 185 mil not a victory lap? How are the idiots (you’re classier than that)  who called Lamar a moron not wrong? Is that like how Bills fan try to act like Mahomes isn’t really that good but a product of their system?
 

Dude got his bag and the Ravens are getting  him weapons.  He hit the lottery and I’m happy for him. 

[Captain Hindsight]

9 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

I think very few expected he wouldn't be a well-paid individual, but most expected (correctly) a 100% guaranteed deal was not an option

[Sestak4ever]

Now Jackson says with all the weapons they have he wants to throw for 6,000 yards! Best laugh of the day!😆 Maybe he meant over the course of 3 seasons.

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I think very few expected he wouldn't be a well-paid individual, but most expected (correctly) a 100% guaranteed deal was not an option

I never expected it either. I don't blame him for using the Watson contract as a starting point, though. If you don't ask, they can't say yes. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Listening to WGR right now and they're saying Lamar just signed the contract and received  a $72.5 million signing bonus. Spotrac says he made $23 million last year. Base salary of almost $32.5 million this year. Not too shabby for someone who "needed" an agent, "badly". Good for him. And his Mom. 

 

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

 

 

This.  

 

Guys a doofus.  Held out for the dumbest reason.

 

Played for chump change last year.  But he couldn't answer the bell after the first week in December---again. So maybe he was overpaid last year. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, Sestak4ever said:

Now Jackson says with all the weapons they have he wants to throw for 6,000 yards! Best laugh of the day!😆 Maybe he meant over the course of 3 seasons.

Will be really impressive considering he's good for about 12 games a season the last couple of years.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Your numbers are way off and Lamar not having an agent cost him a lot of money.

 

Lamar has a base salary of $7.5M (not $32.5M).

As the Ravens GM (Eric Decosta) said, the contract Lamar ended up signing is basically the same contract the Ravens offered him last year and he refused. Essentially, Lamar went into free agency thinking he would be a hot commodity and quickly realized that the wasn't. So he went back to the Ravens with his tail between his legs and took the same deal they offered him last year.

 

Because he signed essentially the same deal he refused last year, what he did was trade a year of his career for $23M. Had he taken the deal last year, he would have earned $80M in 2022 ... instead of $23M.

 

He also would have have been a free agent 1 year sooner, thus resulting in another contract (and pay day) one year sooner.

 

Yeah, he became fixated with the guaranteed deal Watson got and wouldn't listen to anything else.  He didn't need an agent to get him a deal he just needed to be reasonable.