Titans/City Agree on New DOMED Stadium

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Based on how this team is built - via the passing game and Josh Allen an argument could be made for a strategic advantage for the next decade if we played in a dome/retractable roof

 

I want to see people get excited for our afc championship game when it’s 5 degrees out with 40mph winds and we can’t pass. Fun times. 

But other teams may not revolve around the pass as much as we do. They may be able to run it down our throats. 

You can’t run at will in the NFL playoffs … we stop the run in the playoffs … it comes down to the arm 

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I think they could've gotten the funding if they really wanted to this time. It would've required the Pegula's to open their wallets and take on more of the costs themselves, but considering what they were able to somehow talk the State into kicking in, I think it could've gotten done.

 

Probably.  Pretty sure Pegula wanted and open air stadium.  Still... its not "Buffalo DNA."  It's people with the power making choices.  There are tons of people that would rather have a dome.

[bobobonators]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can’t run at will in the NFL playoffs … we stop the run in the playoffs … it comes down to the arm 

There’s no point in arguing. 
 

Have a good day sir. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Probably.  Pretty sure Pegula wanted and open air stadium.  Still... its not "Buffalo DNA."  It's people with the power making choices.  There are tons of people that would rather have a dome.

You say there are tons that want a dome… sure… there are also tons and tons who don’t 

 

it’s both ways …

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every QB coming into the Ralph in January WILL struggle worse than Josh 

 

he can cut it through the winds and others cannot … that’s an advantage 

 

So like the Pats game last year?  There is no homefield advantage anymore.  The sun in Miami is worse than snow.  All the weather does is slow our offense down and make it more even for other teams.  Did the Colts lose here in the playoffs because of the weather?  Did the Ravens?  Did the Pats get destroyed here because of the weather?  No, I dont think any of those teams losses had anything to do with the weather.

 

How many wins can you point to over the last 3 years just because of the weather?  I can point to at least one loss.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Scott7975

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every QB coming into the Ralph in January WILL struggle worse than Josh 

 

he can cut it through the winds and others cannot … that’s an advantage 

It's going to impact BOTH teams as the NE game we LOST clearly demonstrated last season.  You must be confusing Allen for Jim Kelly since we don't have much history with Allen playing in bad weather in Buffalo in Dec-Jan.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

So like the Pats game last year?  There is no homefield advantage anymore.  The sun in Miami is worse than snow.  All the weather does is slow our offense down and make it more even for other teams.  Did the Colts lose here in the playoffs because of the weather?  Did the Ravens?  Did the Pats get destroyed here because of the weather?  No, I dont think any of those teams losses had anything to do with the weather.

1 game is an anomaly … 60mph winds don’t happen and that will never happen again 

 

Josh cuts through 30mph wind like nothing and that’s a fact

Just now, Billz4ever said:

It's going to impact BOTH teams as the NE game we LOST clearly demonstrated last season.  You must be confusing Allen for Jim Kelly since we don't have much history with Allen playing in bad weather in Buffalo in Dec-Jan.

Allen had played in a lot of windy cold games … the windstorm game is an anomaly and josh hit diggs 60 yards downfield in his hands and he dropped it

 

nobody alive can make that throw but him 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You say there are tons that want a dome… sure… there are also tons and tons who don’t 

 

it’s both ways …

And the people that don't want it don't want it for nothing other than nostalgic reasons, because if they actually cared about how our team is built and how our offense in designed, a dome is a no brainer.

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

1 game is an anomaly … 60mph winds don’t happen and that will never happen again 

 

Josh cuts through 30mph wind like nothing and that’s a fact

 

It still happened. Saying it will never happen again as an excuse is BS.  It can and will happen again.  Can you point to any games we won just because of weather over the last few seasons?  I cant think of one that we wouldnt have won that we still wouldnt have won in a dome.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, unbillievable said:

 

 

Buffalo should build domed parking and facilities for Superbowl activities!

 

No Superbowl game is going to be held in Buffalo until global warming goes much further and Buffalo becomes the resort of the rich.

 

Do you build  domed parking and facilities for Superbowl activities watching game in other stadiums?

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Domes suck

.....until you lose home field advantage to a crappy Belichick team because of 40mph winds.  Bad weather, snow, rain, wind neutralizes any arm strength advantage Josh gives you.  No one will ever convince me that the one team (Buffalo) that has the most reasons to have a dome over all the others, doesn't need one. Oh well too late now.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

But the owners aren’t building these things just for football any more because they know they can make even more money if they can host events year round. College football playoffs, NCAA tournaments (meaning final 4’s), huge wrestling events like wrestle mania, huge concerts at any time. These owners think outside of the 8 dates a year they host football games 

 

That is great if you can get someone else to pay for it.

[Bray Wyatt]

Somehow this turned into a dome debate for the bills stadium.

 

I moved down to TN outside Nashville 3 years ago and am

excited about this, they are supposed to be building up a whole area around it

 

If it is anything like the battery in Atlanta it will be amazing 

[DallasBillsFan1]

Buffalo cannot afford a domed stadium ... too much and not enough of a destination to attract conventions, college playoffs, NFL drafts.  We are stuck with an old fashioned, lower end, open air stadium.

[Herc11]

2 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

Pretty much can lock it in that Nashville will host multiple Super Bowls in the future once completed.

Hate to say it, but the city of Buffalo doesn't have the infrastructure to host a modern day SB. 

 

Nashville is a tourist destination and is an ideal place to have one.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

.....until you lose home field advantage to a crappy Belichick team because of 40mph winds.  Bad weather, snow, rain, wind neutralizes any arm strength advantage Josh gives you.  No one will ever convince me that the one team (Buffalo) that has the most reasons to have a dome over all the others, doesn't need one. Oh well too late now.

A dome will allow lesser QBs to have the game of their life in the playoffs 

 

Perfect weather can make any pro QB have a good game… Very few can come here in January and play well

[Steptide]

I don't think people realize how much the new bills stadium will be shielded from the elements. While it's not a dome, it's as close to a dome as you can get without calling it one. 

[Warcodered]

I swear if they get their renderings first I'm going to burn this ***** to the ground.

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

Buffalo cannot afford a domed stadium ... too much and not enough of a destination to attract conventions, college playoffs, NFL drafts.  We are stuck with an old fashioned, lower end, open air stadium.

Disagree.  Considering what the Pegula's were able to talk the State into kicking in, they could've made it happen.  Would've made the Pegula's open their wallet and pay more, but funding really isn't the issue. It's the desire to do it.

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

A dome will allow lesser QBs to have the game of their life in the playoffs 

 

Perfect weather can make any pro QB have a good game… Very few can come here in January and play well

Wait, so now you're suggesting we need to play outside so we have some imaginary advantage in order to win?  LMAO

 

I think we're still waiting for you to name the games we won specifically because we played outside in bad weather and it gave us the advantage.

 

And FYI, the Super Bowl is always played in locations were it's assumed weather will not be a factor, so it's a true test of team vs team, not teams vs the weather.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Billz4ever

[DallasBillsFan1]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Disagree.  Considering what the Pegula's were able to talk the State into kicking in, they could've made it happen.  Would've made the Pegula's open their wallet and pay more, but funding really isn't the issue. It's the desire to do it.

Wrong, it's money.  You need to spend a lot more for the infrastructure, hotels, parking, roadwork, etc .....  I love Buffalo but it is not a destination people are drawn to.  Nashville is.  The Pegula's and/or New York (taxpayers) don't have the $$ to spend what is needed to make a Dome possible.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Disagree.  Considering what the Pegula's were able to talk the State into kicking in, they could've made it happen.  Would've made the Pegula's open their wallet and pay more, but funding really isn't the issue. It's the desire to do it.

Wait, so now you're suggesting we need to play outside so we have some imaginary advantage in order to win?  LMAO

 

I think we're still waiting for you to name the games we won specifically because we played outside in bad weather and it gave us the advantage.

Dude we can argue till we are blue in the face … nobody is going to run down our throat in the playoffs

 

it’s gonna come down to the arm and the QB… and very few QBs can come here in January and play well … we have 40 years of history to back that

 

NE isn’t running for 265 in a playoff game and they won’t be able to throw … neither can Lamar and lots of QBs

 

Josh can throw and run at an elite level … NO TEAM wants to come here in January 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, DallasBillsFan1 said:

Wrong, it's money.  You need to spend a lot more for the infrastructure, hotels, parking, roadwork, etc .....  I love Buffalo but it is not a destination people are drawn to.  Nashville is.  The Pegula's and/or New York (taxpayers) don't have the $$ to spend what is needed to make a Dome possible.

 Disagree. Just between the state and the county, they are kicking in $850M.  If the goal going in was to build a dome, that would've been higher.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude we can argue till we are blue in the face … nobody is going to run down our throat in the playoffs

 

it’s gonna come down to the arm and the QB… and very few QBs can come here in January and play well … we have 40 years of history to back that

 

NE isn’t running for 265 in a playoff game and they won’t be able to throw … neither can Lamar and lots of QBs

 

 

 

 

You don't even realize what you're doing, but I find it pretty insulting to the HOFers and other players we've had come through here to suggest we need to the weather to be able to win, making it sound like we didn't have the talent on our teams to do it otherwise.  Pretty sad actually.

[Rochesterfan]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

@Rochesterfanidk how you can disagree to the bills NOT WANTING A multi use facility WHEN THEY SAID THEMSELVES they only want to build a football stadium

 

They don’t want to spend money and out price the area.  If given full funding a multi-use dome downtown would have been the first and most logical choice.

 

The rest of it is just garbage - more and more sites are going to fabulous covered stadiums that are gorgeous and can do lots of things.

 

The DNA is old school thinking from the 50-70s when the majority of players were from the North East - now it is seen mostly as a negative by players across the league.

 

The fact that the Bills were looking to be ahead of the curve years ago and build a domed arena rather than Highmark stadium and the final plans got scuttled very late shows at one time teams thought ahead.  
 

Now the area is skimping and calling it Buffalo culture when we know darn well the only thought process was money.

 

7 of the last 9 built stadiums have been covered and the Jets/Giants open air got to host 1 SB and the weather will stop it from happening again.  If they had built a covered stadium - NYC would be in the regular rotation.  
 

It is and was short sighted, but you be you and think the DNA will drive the team - when even this year the Bills were offering discounted division game tickets for the end of the year because they were still having trouble selling out the cold weather games.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 Disagree. Just between the state and the county, they are kicking in $850M.  If the goal going in was to build a dome, that would've been higher.

 

 

 

 

You don't even realize what you're doing, but I find it pretty insulting to the HOFers and other players we've had come through here to suggest we need to the weather to be able to win, making it sound like we didn't have the talent on our teams to do it otherwise.  Pretty sad actually.

You don’t even know what I’m saying … I never said WE NEED IT… other teams hate it…

 

you want other teams to be as uncomfortable as possible… we practice outside in the winter at points  … we are semi prepared 

most others aren’t 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Boatdrinks]

45 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

They don’t want to spend money and out price the area.  If given full funding a multi-use dome downtown would have been the first and most logical choice.

 

The rest of it is just garbage - more and more sites are going to fabulous covered stadiums that are gorgeous and can do lots of things.

 

The DNA is old school thinking from the 50-70s when the majority of players were from the North East - now it is seen mostly as a negative by players across the league.

 

The fact that the Bills were looking to be ahead of the curve years ago and build a domed arena rather than Highmark stadium and the final plans got scuttled very late shows at one time teams thought ahead.  
 

Now the area is skimping and calling it Buffalo culture when we know darn well the only thought process was money.

 

7 of the last 9 built stadiums have been covered and the Jets/Giants open air got to host 1 SB and the weather will stop it from happening again.  If they had built a covered stadium - NYC would be in the regular rotation.  
 

It is and was short sighted, but you be you and think the DNA will drive the team - when even this year the Bills were offering discounted division game tickets for the end of the year because they were still having trouble selling out the cold weather games.

 

 

 

 

There's always those resistant to change and this is just another example.  Nevermind what it would do for the community.

 

It's always the nostalgia and letting go of something that actually works against our team in reality, but heaven forbid we decide that we don't need to freeze our butts off to watch a football game any longer.

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

And not having the dome will ensure that more hotels aren't built.

 

You have to start somewhere, fella.

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You don’t even know what I’m saying … I never said WE NEED IT… other teams hate it…

 

you want other teams to be as uncomfortable as possible… we practice outside in the winter … we are semi prepared 

most others aren’t 

I don't think you even know what you're saying because what you just said above is saying it gives us an advantage (which it really doesn't). Hating the weather doesn't mean you can't play in it.  112 degrees in the sun on our sideline in Miami is an actual advantage.  Hating the weather in Buffalo is not.

 

If it's giving us an advantage that you say we need to keep, you're saying we need it to win.  If you're saying we don't need it to win, then you should have no objection to a dome. It's pretty simple logic here.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Mango]

But do they drawings? 
 

 

[BontitaBills]

When will we see renderings of the proposed Titans stadium?  Any day now?

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Would never happen even with a dome … not enough hotel space for starters. 

 

Actually it is not true - it was discussed and the mileage allowed (100 miles) that is included in the required area includes NF, Toronto, and Rochester.  There was discussion that if a domed was built and the Bills put that as a requirement- the NFL would have looked at it.

 

They allowed Jacksonville to bring in cruise ships to meet the requirement.

 

Now the reality is - a SB in Buffalo would suck for the destination fans and the media, but if they had gone dome and used that as leverage - I think they could of forced something.

 

It would also have helped with bringing the draft here as a large enclosed site after the fiasco that was Cleveland, but again that is not a reason - just a potential result if they decided to go that way.  
 

Now we don’t have to worry - we could be forced to go on the road and play in someone’s else’s home stadium like has happened the last 2 years.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

There's always those resistant to change and this is just another example.  Nevermind what it would do for the community.

 

It's always the nostalgia and letting go of something that actually works against our team in reality, but heaven forbid we decide that we don't need to freeze our butts off to watch a football game any longer.

And not having the dome will ensure that more hotels aren't built.

 

You have to start somewhere, fella.

I don't think you even know what you're saying because what you just said above is saying it gives us an advantage (which it really doesn't). Hating the weather doesn't mean you can't play in it.  112 degrees in the sun on our sidelines is an advantage.  Hating the weather in Buffalo is not.

 

If it's giving us an advantage, you're saying we need it to win.  If you're saying we don't need it to win, then you should have no objection to a dome. It's pretty simple logic here.

Having an advantage doesn’t mean you NEED it to win … it means having an edge 

 

Why are the Bills 12-1 at home at the Ralph in the playoffs? It’s clearly not hurting 

 

if they were 5-8 your point is more valid 

Edited October 17, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Having an advantage doesn’t mean you NEED it to win … it means having an edge 

 

Why are the Bills 12-1 at home at the Ralph in the playoffs? It’s clearly not hurting 

You have no proof that it helped either.

 

And FYI, you once again suggested it was the weather in Buffalo, not the talent of those team that was the reason we won. Insulting.

 

We had players having to seek medical attention in Miami from the heat and had to come out of the game.

 

Where have you ever seen the visiting team falling out because it was too cold or some other nonsense you are suggesting the imaginary weather advantage gives us here?

Edited October 17, 2022 by Billz4ever

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

That would never happen anyway. Too cold, too much snow, not enough hotel space, too small an airport, etc. A domed stadium wouldn't get Buffalo close to consideration for a Super Bowl.

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

That would never happen anyway. Too cold, too much snow, not enough hotel space, too small an airport, etc. A domed stadium wouldn't get Buffalo close to consideration for a Super Bowl.

Too cold?  Come again?  You do understand that's the purpose of an enclosed stadium, correct?

 

Super Bowl LII between the Eagles and Pats was literally in Minneapolis @U.S. Bank Stadium, my guy.

 

And you understand that having a venue where more events could be held in the cold season would lead to more hotels being built.

 

It sounds like you're trying to find excuses simply to not have one rather than giving real, valid reasons.

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Billz4ever

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I haven't read any of the replies on this but I'm wondering if when the Bills new stadium is built if maybe that would be a domed stadium too?

[John from Riverside]

Was a retractable dome ever a consideration

[mrags]

I think the worst part about this…. Is they will get Renderings before we do 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I haven't read any of the replies on this but I'm wondering if when the Bills new stadium is built if maybe that would be a domed stadium too?

No, it's an open air stadium. There will be some protection from the elements with overhangs, but not like a dome or retractable roof.

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34816198/titans-nashville-reach-deal-domed-22b-stadium

 

Cost: 2.2 Billion

 

I really wish we were getting a domed stadium instead of an open stadium

Remember Bills new stadium will cost 1.4 Billion - All Tax payer funded in comparison

 

Just think of the extra money they'd have saved if they didn't keep putting band-aids on the Ralph & actually invested in a new stadium when it was semi-affordable.

 

Vikings: US Bank Stadium - $1.23 Billion (2021 dollars)

Colts: Lucas Oil Stadium - $907.6 million 

Cardinals: State Farm Stadium - $612.3 million 

Cowboys: AT&T Stadium - $1.64 Billion 

Texans: NRG Stadium - $530.2 million 

Falcons: Mercedes-Benz Stadium - $1.69 Billion

 

I'd say the sweet spot would've been around the last renovations deal, investing in a stadium like the Vikings' US Bank Stadium. It broke ground around the same time, and even with inflation cost just over $1.2 billion. Even with higher costs in NY compared to Minnesota, factor in all the costs spent on renovations & you're probably still coming out ahead.

 

Oh well, coulda-woulda-shoulda!

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Was a retractable dome ever a consideration

This time?  No, I don't believe so.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

And no dome ensures Buffalo will never host a Super Bowl.

 

We were never going to host a Super Bowl even with a dome. Not enough hotel rooms. Not even close to the amount needed.