No Mention of "Hard Rock Oven" Effects

[theRalph]

No mention has been made about the Hard Rock Oven effect. The Bills offense spent 40+ mins in that heat. So did the Dolphins D, but they only had til Thursday to recover and looked tired vs Cincinnati. The Bills had a whole week. But Josh still felt like crap until Friday (to say nothing of other players)...and it took the offense a quarter and a half to shake it all off yesterday. It's fine to leave it alone until you start ragging on the early offensive performance vs. the Ravens.

Edited October 3, 2022 by theRalph
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[marck]

Just now, theRalph said:

No mention has been made about the Hard Rock Oven effect. The Bills offense spent 40+ mins in that heat. So did the Dolphins D, but hey only had til Thursday to recover and looked tired vs Cincinnati. The Bills had a whole week. But Josh still felt like ***** until Friday (to say nothing of other players)...and it took the offense a quarter and a half to shake it all off yesterday. It's fine to leave it alone until you start ragging on the early offensive performance vs. the Ravens.

It was mentioned multiple times on the CBS broadcast

[Nextmanup]

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, theRalph said:

No mention has been made about the Hard Rock Oven effect. The Bills offense spent 40+ mins in that heat. So did the Dolphins D, but they only had til Thursday to recover and looked tired vs Cincinnati. The Bills had a whole week. But Josh still felt like crap until Friday (to say nothing of other players)...and it took the offense a quarter and a half to shake it all off yesterday. It's fine to leave it alone until you start ragging on the early offensive performance vs. the Ravens.

I saw Dolphins fans using Josh saying that as an excuse for their ***** Thursday game.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Superbowl winning teams don't find excuses they find solutions.

[Mark Vader]

5 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

 

 

 

And the Bills have come away victorious in some of these games.

 

I don't know why all of a sudden the heat is an issue.

[ToGoGo]

2 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Superbowl winning teams don't find excuses they find solutions.

 

Which is what we did. 

[theRalph]

8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

Actually not. It was extraordinary and immediately prior to a hurricane. Perhaps listen to or read a few player interviews about their experiences. SMH

10 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Superbowl winning teams don't find excuses they find solutions.

Who mentioned excuses? It's just a fact. They were flat early. Allen admitted to feeling poorly most of last week. They are a Superbowl team that snapped out of a hangover from the previous week.

[1ManRaid]

Was fun checking on the Dolphin forums yesterday, full of idiotic hypocrites.  In one breath they're like "yay, Buffalo is still probably worn out from the sun game, can't wait for them to lose because of it".  Then in the next breath it's "lol I bet those whiner Bills fans will probably use the sun game as an excuse for losing to the Ravens, can't wait".

[Billz4ever]

16 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

And the Bills have come away victorious in some of these games.

 

I don't know why all of a sudden the heat is an issue.

Because some people need an excuse to try and explain how it was the heat and not the Bills inability to put the ball in the endzone, despite multiple trips into Miami territory, that was the reason for the loss.

[Doc]

It's not just the heat.  It was having a day-and-a-half less of rest because of the Monday Night game.  Not to mention all the injuries prior to and during that game.  Why is this so hard to figure out?

[Billz4ever]

6 minutes ago, theRalph said:

Actually not. It was extraordinary and immediately prior to a hurricane. Perhaps listen to or read a few player interviews about their experiences. SMH

Who mentioned excuses? It's just a fact. They were flat early. Allen admitted to feeling poorly most of last week. They are a Superbowl team that snapped out of a hangover from the previous week.

What?  The Hurricane had absolutely NOTHING to do with our game. Literally nothing.  And last year, when we beat them 35-0, the temp was within ONE degree of this game with identical humidity.  

 

The Bucs literally evacuated to Miami.

 

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-evacuate-to-miami-week-4-kansas-city-chiefs-hurricane-ian

[Donuts and Doritos]

15 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Which is what we did. 

 

Exactly. So we're on to Pittsburgh. Let's fix some things & improve. Go Bills!

[Frostbite]

43 minutes ago, theRalph said:

No mention has been made about the Hard Rock Oven effect. The Bills offense spent 40+ mins in that heat. So did the Dolphins D, but they only had til Thursday to recover and looked tired vs Cincinnati. The Bills had a whole week. But Josh still felt like crap until Friday (to say nothing of other players)...and it took the offense a quarter and a half to shake it all off yesterday. It's fine to leave it alone until you start ragging on the early offensive performance vs. the Ravens.

I'm genuinely curious, was this actually said? and by who?

[Billz4ever]

10 minutes ago, Frostbite said:

I'm genuinely curious, was this actually said? and by who?

I never heard it and Josh never said anything about not feeling great on Kyle Brandt's Basement. He specifically said he felt a little sore, but physically he was fine.

 

I think people are making a lot of assumptions that are being turned into statements that were never said.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever

[jlgarsh]

45 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

And the Bills have come away victorious in some of these games.

 

I don't know why all of a sudden the heat is an issue.

It was 10+ degrees hotter this year than last year. A 10 degree swing is going to have an effect.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, theRalph said:

No mention has been made about the Hard Rock Oven effect. The Bills offense spent 40+ mins in that heat. So did the Dolphins D, but they only had til Thursday to recover and looked tired vs Cincinnati. The Bills had a whole week. But Josh still felt like crap until Friday (to say nothing of other players)...and it took the offense a quarter and a half to shake it all off yesterday. It's fine to leave it alone until you start ragging on the early offensive performance vs. the Ravens.

 

Probably because they live and practice down there and have some acclimation to it.  They also got to wear white uniforms which help reflect sunlight and were in the shade on their sidelines.  

 

The Bills had none of these in their favor.  You cannot simply spend a day in a climate and think you can get acclimated to it, or even 5 days like the Pats did. It takes months and months.

[Billz4ever]

9 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

It was 10+ degrees hotter this year than last year. A 10 degree swing is going to have an effect.

It was not 10 degrees hotter. I even looked it up on the weather almanac. Air temp was 88 last year, 89 this year with the same dewpoint (humidity).

Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

It was not 10 degrees hotter. I even looked it up on the weather almanac. Air temp was 88 last year, 89 this year with the same dewpoint (humidity).

 

It was definitely not sunny the entire game last year.  The on field temp was 112 as reported by Eric Wood, and assuredly was not that last year.

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Probably because they live and practice down there and have some acclimation to it.  They also got to wear white uniforms which help reflect sunlight and were in the shade on their sidelines.  

 

The Bills had none of these in their favor.  You cannot simply spend a day in a climate and think you can get acclimated to it, or even 5 days like the Pats did. It takes months and months.

Bingo.  People don't understand this (or don't want to), but the heat is a quick and easy excuse instead of simply acknowledging the Bills had numerous trips into Miami territory and couldn't put the ball in the endzone.

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It was definitely not sunny the entire game last year.  The on field temp was 112 as reported by Eric Wood, and assuredly was not that last year.

It's a lame excuse.  We beat them 35-0 last year.  If we had won, nobody says a word about it. They might have said, yeah, it was super hot out there, but nobody would be making excuses and trying to blame the heat.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

 

 

 

But 93 offensive plays and 41 minutes of possession is not par for the coarse.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

It was 10+ degrees hotter this year than last year. A 10 degree swing is going to have an effect.

If that was the case, then the Bills should have been better prepared for it.

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

But 93 offensive plays and 41 minutes of possession is not par for the coarse.

Very true, but that was on the Bills. If your offense is on the field for almost the equivalent of 3 entire quarters, your QB is throwing 63 passes, the receivers having to run that many routes, and the OL having to hold that many blocks, they are going to be tired even if it's not that hot.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

It was cited as one of the worst weather games in Mijami.

[Shake_My_Head]

I thought the broadcast crew said something to the effect of "Josh Allen said they weren't fully recovered from the Miami heat until Friday."

[In Summary]

I would expect that Miami game to have added a day or two to their normal recovery period. 

[Ga boy]

8 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Superbowl winning teams don't find excuses they find solutions.

When it’s tough for them it’s just right for us …

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

What?  The Hurricane had absolutely NOTHING to do with our game. Literally nothing.  And last year, when we beat them 35-0, the temp was within ONE degree of this game with identical humidity.  

 

The Bucs literally evacuated to Miami.

 

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-evacuate-to-miami-week-4-kansas-city-chiefs-hurricane-ian

 

 

Yep........the heat was only a factor this season because the Bills didn't make big plays like they had in Miami in recent years.   

[MJS]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

Then why did so many players have issues like never before, and there were multiple players who said it was the hottest game they had played, even McKenzie who grew up there?

 

This game was not par for the course, clearly. And I think it is strange that you keep claiming something that is so easy to refute.

[Meatloaf63]

7 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Bingo.  People don't understand this (or don't want to), but the heat is a quick and easy excuse instead of simply acknowledging the Bills had numerous trips into Miami territory and couldn't put the ball in the endzone.

It's a lame excuse.  We beat them 35-0 last year.  If we had won, nobody says a word about it. They might have said, yeah, it was super hot out there, but nobody would be making excuses and trying to blame the heat.

We’re you there? Have you looked at the temp graphs of this year vs the previous? Obviously not. What’s your excuse for a lousy ill informed take?

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They just played themselves into a conditioning contest and lost to a team that is at minimum better conditioned because they HAVE to be just to practice football there in the summer.    People act like they just built that stadium.   The heat.....and the sun on the visiting side..........has been a factor MANY times for the Bills in the 35 years that stadium has been in use.       

[AlfaBill]

8 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

What?  The Hurricane had absolutely NOTHING to do with our game. Literally nothing.  And last year, when we beat them 35-0, the temp was within ONE degree of this game with identical humidity.  

 

The Bucs literally evacuated to Miami.

 

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-evacuate-to-miami-week-4-kansas-city-chiefs-hurricane-ian

Ya I guess it was the bills players faking injury and exhaustion. 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

Then why did so many players have issues like never before, and there were multiple players who said it was the hottest game they had played, even McKenzie who grew up there?

 

This game was not par for the course, clearly. And I think it is strange that you keep claiming something that is so easy to refute.

 

 

Because offensive players aren't used to playing 90 snaps?    It wasn't defenders flopping around with exhaustion.   They only played 35 snaps.   The conditions were virtually identical to last season when the Bills blew the Dolphins out.     

[jlgarsh]

14 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

If that was the case, then the Bills should have been better prepared for it.

How? As the visiting team, the Bills couldn't use any equipment on the sideline the Dolphins didn't. Since they're in the shade, no need for cooling benches or tents out of the sun. That meant the Bills couldn't use them either.

[Beck Water]

18 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

"That" heat in the game against Miami was absolutely par for the course for SE FL at this time of year.

 

It certainly did look like the players struggled with it, but I don't know why it would be any different than any other recent year; we always play down in FL early, and they play in WNY late.

 

So there's a couple things.

Afternoon clouds and thunderstorms seem like a common "thing" in S Florida, rolling in about 1-2 pm. 

 

And in fact, where I looked it up '20 and '21 had partly cloudy skies and light rain/t storms.  Doesn't prove those were over Hard Rock of course but seems possible.

 

Big difference if you're in full sun vs. shade.

 

Second, Bills offensive game plan combined with how Miami played us put the O on the field an inhuman amount.  40 minute TOP, that's brutal.

 

 

13 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

How? As the visiting team, the Bills couldn't use any equipment on the sideline the Dolphins didn't. Since they're in the shade, no need for cooling benches or tents out of the sun. That meant the Bills couldn't use them either.

 

Where is this rule that the visitors can't use any equipment the home team doesn't?  I don't question its existence but I'm unaware so would like to be educated.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Beck Water

[Doc]

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Yep........the heat was only a factor this season because the Bills didn't make big plays like they had in Miami in recent years.   

 

No, it was more of a factor because they got a day and a half less to rest.  They get the full week, they win.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Doc

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

How? As the visiting team, the Bills couldn't use any equipment on the sideline the Dolphins didn't. Since they're in the shade, no need for cooling benches or tents out of the sun. That meant the Bills couldn't use them either.

Bring in extra coolers filled with ice cold water & Gatorade. Basic stuff like that.

Can't be that complicated.

[Billz4ever]

15 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

We’re you there? Have you looked at the temp graphs of this year vs the previous? Obviously not. What’s your excuse for a lousy ill informed take?

The only ill iniformed take is yours considering I actually took the time to look it up.  The temp was within 1 degree of last year,  It was 89 degrees air temp this year, 88 last year with the exact same dewpoint (humidity).  

 

You're here calling someone else ill informed when I'm the one who researched it, not you.

 

And it's still a lousy, pathetic excuse for losing EITHER WAY.

15 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Ya I guess it was the bills players faking injury and exhaustion. 

Your offense is on the field for 90 plays and almost the equivalent of 3 entire quarters.  They got tired playing that much in hot temps.  Imagine that.

[zow2]

At the game Sunday around 12:45pm, i told my son that it's "No Excuse Sunday".  I don't care about rain/wet/cold/wind/injuries/coin toss/heat/close game/etc...

Just win the damn game in a very rough environment.

 

Then when it was 20-3 my son looks at me and says "how's that no excuse Sunday working out for ya?". lol

 

Fortunately the team didn't make any excuses and we left winners.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

16 hours ago, MJS said:

Then why did so many players have issues like never before, and there were multiple players who said it was the hottest game they had played, even McKenzie who grew up there?

 

This game was not par for the course, clearly. And I think it is strange that you keep claiming something that is so easy to refute.

 

Not strange but usual for him.