Logic Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) The Bills defense has allowed only seven points in the second half through four games this season. Let me say that again: The Bills defense, through four games of professional football, has only allowed SEVEN points in the second half. That is truly incredible. No one can say "yeah, but who have they played?!" either. They've gone up against offensive genius Sean McVay, Matthew Stafford and Cooper Kupp. They've gone up against All-World running back Derrick Henry and the reigning AFC 1-seed. They've gone up against Mike McDaniel, Tyreek Hill, and Jaylen Waddle. They've gone up against MVP candidate Lamar Jackson. Seven points. Truly incredible job by Leslie Frazier's defense, ESPECIALLY when you consider that they've been missing All-Pros Tre'Davious White and Micah Hyde, Ed Oliver, Jordan Phillips, as well as their current top two corners in Dane Jackson and Christian Benford for long stretches of playing time. The only thing I can reasonably do at this point is to honor this incredible effort the way my head coach would: Edited October 3, 2022 by Logic 18 12 1 18 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I'm just afraid that McD's coaching is going to keep costing the Bills wins. Â 1 30 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, eball said: I'm just afraid that McD's coaching is going to keep costing the Bills wins. Â I'm really concerned about Elam. 1 14 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Wish Hyde was going to come back. I can deal with the temporary injuries but the "what if" of how much better would the defense be if completely healthy is scary. Â Is there any confirmation on Hyde and zero chance for return for playoffs? Â At least Oliver, Phillips, and White will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, eball said: I'm just afraid that McD's coaching is going to keep costing the Bills wins. Â It's definitely becoming a theme. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I’m admittedly guilty of screaming at my TV when they give up big yardage plays, but when you step back and really look at the defense’s body of work so far this season, it’s quite amazing. 4 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, eball said: I'm just afraid that McD's coaching is going to keep costing the Bills wins.  We need to start allowing more garbage time TDs or simply get blown out here and there.  I am still struggling to understand how winning often and winning big while rarely losing but losing small when we do is a criticism. It would be a valid criticism if these close losses were due to big mistakes or 4th quarter meltdowns but many were the opposite. Like Steelers, Jags, Dolphins when we looked like crap all game and almost finished the comeback in the final minute. Or the Bucs game where a huge comeback was ruined by a missed PI in the end zone. Or going for the win against the Titans rather than leave the game up to a coin toss in OT.  I guess you could cite Hail Murray and 13 seconds as "big mistakes". Its arguable.  2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) Part of this one may have been the offense stopped turning the ball over on our side of the field too though lol the defense could’ve played a great 60 minutes and we’ll never know Edited October 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It is actually Criminal that Leslie Frazier is still here as a DC (good for us) instead of HC somewhere. 3 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Yesterdays win hurt us for the playoffs though. Our seeding is better if we can control it. 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Jauronimo said: We need to start allowing more garbage time TDs or simply get blown out here and there.  I am still struggling to understand how winning often and winning big while rarely losing but losing small when we do is a criticism. It would be a valid criticism if these close losses were due to big mistakes or 4th quarter meltdowns but many were the opposite. Like Steelers, Jags, Dolphins when we looked like crap all game and almost finished the comeback in the final minute. Or the Bucs game where a huge comeback was ruined by a missed PI in the end zone. Or going for the win against the Titans rather than leave the game up to a coin toss in OT.  I guess you could cite Hail Murray and 13 seconds as "big mistakes". Its arguable.  It’s a silly criticism of a team that won 11 games…for a team with a losing record that doesn’t win a lot of two score games it’s more meaningful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: It is actually Criminal that Leslie Frazier is still here as a DC (good for us) instead of HC somewhere.  I appreciate Frazier efforts, but being a great coordinator doesn't mean you'll be a good head coach and he was a very bad head coach. Maybe he's learned and his 2nd stint would be better, but that's something different from being a good coordinator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Yesterdays win hurt us for the playoffs though. Our seeding is better if we can control it. What? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Malazan said:  I appreciate Frazier efforts, but being a great coordinator doesn't mean you'll be a good head coach and he was a very bad head coach. Maybe he's learned and his 2nd stint would be better, but that's something different from being a good coordinator. McDaniels was the Definition of a BAD HC not Frazier and where is he now again? So Again it is Criminal he hasnt gotten a HC job, heck he hardly gets interviews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I’m admittedly guilty of screaming at my TV when they give up big yardage plays, but when you step back and really look at the defense’s body of work so far this season, it’s quite amazing. I nearly lost my mind when Lamar escaped a sack from two Bills rushers and went on to pick up a 3rd and forever. Everything that could go wrong went wrong in the first half and that trend totally reversed in the second half. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said: What? Are you knew here? 🥳🥳🥳 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Logic said: It's definitely becoming a theme. It's ok, though. I kinda miss the losing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Boyst62 said: Are you knew here? 🥳🥳🥳 Not new but a little slow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I nearly lost my mind when Lamar escaped a sack from two Bills rushers and went on to pick up a 3rd and forever. Everything that could go wrong went wrong in the first half and that trend totally reversed in the second half.  When it comes to that kind of play, I think to myself "this is how other teams feel when josh makes a crazy escape" 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 How many adjustments do you think they have time to make? They barely have enough time to go to the bathroom at halftime 💩  Clearly they are playing much better in the 2nd half of games but I don't know if you can adjust THAT much given the time constraints. They need to play better to start the game because I doubt this 2nd half run will be able to withstand through the entire season. In game adjustments in the 1st half would be nice to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It is actually Criminal that Leslie Frazier is still here as a DC (good for us) instead of HC somewhere. Leslie Frazier is certainly the Eric Bienemy of Leslie Fraziers. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 If Baltimore was in the NFC, I'm sure McD would have just taken the loss. Better for our playoff seeding. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: How many adjustments do you think they have time to make? They barely have enough time to go to the bathroom at halftime 💩  Clearly they are playing much better in the 2nd half of games but I don't know if you can adjust THAT much given the time constraints. They need to play better to start the game because I doubt this 2nd half run will be able to withstand through the entire season. In game adjustments in the 1st half would be nice to see 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Not new but a little slow Somewhere last year or in the last 20 some dude made a post and was adamant that us losing to a few AFC teams didn't matter and hurt us. He said our wins over the NFC teams were more valuable because strength of schedule.  It was maybe 8 pages of beauty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Somewhere last year or in the last 20 some dude made a post and was adamant that us losing to a few AFC teams didn't matter and hurt us. He said our wins over the NFC teams were more valuable because strength of schedule.  It was maybe 8 pages of beauty Glad I missed it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Logic said: Leslie Frazier is certainly the Eric Bienemy of Leslie Fraziers. Now what has been comin out about Bienemy in recent years, then the criminal stuff in the past, I could really see teams shying away from there. But a team like say the Commanders that really get not only a good coach but a good person and once that can go along way to change culture while being the coach one of of the NFLs top defense since he has been here. Really should get him at least multiple interviews we have to sweat.   This coming from a guy that understands the current league is all offense and history of developing QBs.   I dont know just criminal IMO he is still the Bills DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I read (perhaps a Taron Johnson quote) where they knew they had to disguise the defense better. In the first half, they didn't disguise the defense and that certainly made the difference.  I don't know why they didn't disguise it - perhaps to not confuse the newer starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Somewhere last year or in the last 20 some dude made a post and was adamant that us losing to a few AFC teams didn't matter and hurt us. He said our wins over the NFC teams were more valuable because strength of schedule.  It was maybe 8 pages of beauty I think it was the opposite. Losing NFC games was better for us because of the tie breakers (conference and division wins). I believe the logic was that losing to NFC teams was ok because we save our wins for AFC opponents. It was top notch trolling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) It's amazing how Josh carries that D. Remember he is basically all we got. Edited October 3, 2022 by nedboy7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: I think it was the opposite. Losing NFC games was better for us because of the tie breakers (conference and division wins). I believe the logic was that losing to NFC teams was ok because we save our wins for AFC opponents. It was top notch trolling. Yes. That seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: How many adjustments do you think they have time to make? They barely have enough time to go to the bathroom at halftime 💩  Clearly they are playing much better in the 2nd half of games but I don't know if you can adjust THAT much given the time constraints. They need to play better to start the game because I doubt this 2nd half run will be able to withstand through the entire season. In game adjustments in the 1st half would be nice to see  You got your wish with this game. Ravens stopped scoring sometime in the 2nd and the Bills great drive to end the 2nd. It just continued from there       Edited October 3, 2022 by Tom Donahoe, GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mama Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 34 minutes ago, Logic said: Yes Give them the CLAP!!!! Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It is actually Criminal that Leslie Frazier is still here as a DC (good for us) instead of HC somewhere. I think this is his last year as DC. You can't have the top defense 2 years in a row and not get another HC job, especially considering there is a rule that teams have to interview you. It will be well deserved and the players have a lot of respect for him. I could see him going to Carolina or Washington. Bears would have been a perfect fit last year so if he doesn't leave this year maybe they will have another opening in 2 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I think it was the opposite. Losing NFC games was better for us because of the tie breakers (conference and division wins). I believe the logic was that losing to NFC teams was ok because we save our wins for AFC opponents. It was top notch trolling.  Yeah, that's what I tried to refer to earlier.  One of @4merper4mer's finest posts. *chef's kiss*  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 46 minutes ago, Logic said: The Bills defense has allowed only seven points in the second half through four games this season. Let me say that again: The Bills defense, through four games of professional football, has only allowed SEVEN points in the second half. I fully agree with your overall point about this defense and adjustment.  But I would argue a little about this game - I think the defense was almost as good in the first half, it just didn't look like that due to the score. But they allowed almost the same yardage (140 vs 129), the only difference was starting position (4y for TD 1st drive after INT, 12y for FG after fumble) and different result of long drive - we gave up 15 plays, 81 yards TD with three 3rd down coversions in the 1st half, and made a huge goal line stand after giving up 14 plays, 93 yards and two 3 and longs in the drive in the the second half.  So I'd say the defense was almost equally great in the first half, it just didn't look that good due to starting position and maybe one or two extra plays made by Milano/Poyer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I nearly lost my mind when Lamar escaped a sack from two Bills rushers and went on to pick up a 3rd and forever. Everything that could go wrong went wrong in the first half and that trend totally reversed in the second half. Jackson escaping the sack was amazing, but the pass he threw was boneheaded, a gift-wrapped interception to Milano, and it was only because of a miracle that it ended up complete. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Dr. K said: Jackson escaping the sack was amazing, but the pass he threw was boneheaded, a gift-wrapped interception to Milano, and it was only because of a miracle that it ended up complete. Thats two consecutive games Milano could have made a game changing INT and managed to do nothing. Get him in front of a juggs machine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr. K said: Jackson escaping the sack was amazing, but the pass he threw was boneheaded, a gift-wrapped interception to Milano, and it was only because of a miracle that it ended up complete. That was the point when I thought that it just wasn't our day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 They have also started second halves with all opponents going 3 and out their first 2 drives after halftime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: That was the point when I thought that it just wasn't our day. Idiot Tim Graham over at The Athletic singles out this play as a sign of Jackson's greatness, as if being saved by a miracle from an interception is some sign of his prowess, a "pinpoint heave" that "made possible" the catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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