Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: They didn’t though. The ball was out of Josh’s hand like lightning. Oh so the OL held the offense back huh? In the game where we pulled our starting offense in the 3rd quarter because we were up so many points. Got it. Just now, White Linen said: I get what you're saying and agree with a lot of it but we had real chances to win this game despite the challenges. We have to start taking these games when they are given to us. I don’t disagree with that at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: Josh has a good amount of responsibility for this loss. He's awesome but he's not complete yet. Brady steps on your neck if you expose it to him. Josh must learn this. The guy has won 20 straight games by double digits. I'm pretty sure he's learned how to be a savage and put teams away. The Patriots and the Dolphins can credit both of their narrow victories primarily to Mother Nature, not to anything they did on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Oh so the OL held the offense back huh? In the game where we pulled our starting offense in the 3rd quarter because we were up so many points. Got it. I don’t disagree with that at all We took our own Oline out of the equation by getting the ball out as fast as we could and it worked. I’m assuming Davis was not 100% because he couldn’t separate worth crap. McKenzie is proving to not be reliable enough. They are good enough if we had a better Oline, but we don’t. Our Oline is going to be the reason we don’t win a super bowl if we don’t make it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why is it so hard for them to bring us real offensive linemen? We haven’t taken a 1st or 2nd round WR in how long? We deal with injuries and this is what we get, Allen with no time to throw and he’s going to end up getting hurt by it. Don’t get me wrong, Allen scrambling for yards is ok in some situations, but sidestepping on nearly every play because of trash blocking is going to get him killed eventually. If this next draft isn’t dedicated to multiple linemen, a WR and a S, then they get what they deserve. You're right about Allen running around, he escapes so many would be sacks. They've been living on the edge on the interior offensive line for a while now, starting journeyman and living with Morse. I do think you make a good point at WR - it's high up the list on Draft needs. Ultimately, I think the Bills did this to themselves today. Dorsey not getting the plays in fast enough, for some reason we became obsessed with delayed handoffs, the play calling on the goal line was poor, Diggs missing in the second half outside of one catch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Exactly what I’ve been thinking. Seeming kumerow out there on the Reg is rough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: You're right about Allen running around, he escapes so many would be sacks. They've been living on the edge on the interior offensive line for a while now, starting journeyman and living with Morse. I do think you make a good point at WR - it's high up the list on Draft needs. Ultimately, I think the Bills did this to themselves today. Dorsey not getting the plays in fast enough, for some reason we became obsessed with delayed handoffs, the play calling on the goal line was poor, Diggs missing in the second half outside of one catch. I don’t really blame Dorsey though. We lack a professional RB and a professional Oline. It’s the Josh Allen and Diggs show. We have Kumerow (f n Kumerow running routes). Now we have Allen hurt with a potential wrist issue. All because Beane couldn’t protect his best player this franchise has ever seen. But nah, he will just draft Ford. Lol 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The offensive line sucked all game today from the start… and like gunner said, I didn’t think it played well against the Titans last week. Allen masks it all. What he’s managed to do is a Herculean feat on its own right. You can’t mask 3rd stringers though and I don’t blame him. Teams take 1st and 2nd round Oline ALL the time, except us lol and when we do, it’s Ford! Edited September 25, 2022 by IronMaidenBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The offensive line sucked all game today from the start… and like gunner said, I didn’t think it played well against the Titans last week. We opened the game down 1 starter and lost 4 more OL from that point on. Of course it sucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: The guy has won 20 straight games by double digits. I'm pretty sure he's learned how to be a savage and put teams away. The Patriots and the Dolphins can credit both of their narrow victories primarily to Mother Nature, not to anything they did on the field. If they adapt better to conditions than we do then that's just an extra question for the coaches and players to answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Oh so the OL held the offense back huh? In the game where we pulled our starting offense in the 3rd quarter because we were up so many points. Got it. I don’t disagree with that at all In the Titans game? Yes, they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, FireChans said: In the Titans game? Yes, they did. Weird, considering the offense was pulled in the 3rd for scoring too many points. You’ve got an interesting definition of holding them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Weird, considering the offense was pulled in the 3rd for scoring too many points. You’ve got an interesting definition of holding them back. DESPITE the Oline. We have been able to mask our starting Oline up until today because now we have 3rd stringers. Even Allen isn’t good enough for that, nobody is. Edited September 25, 2022 by IronMaidenBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Weird, considering the offense was pulled in the 3rd for scoring too many points. You’ve got an interesting definition of holding them back. Josh overcame them last week. Did you notice Van Roten botching every other snap? Did you notice the Bills getting next to zero push on short yardage? If your argument is that the Bills OL played well against the Titans, we watched different games. Period. We also pulled our starters after the DEFENSE scored a TD. You know, the defense that allowed 7 points all game? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: DESPITE the Oline. We have been able to mask our starting Oline up until today because now we have 3rd stringers. Even Allen isn’t good enough for that, nobody is. No OL is good when playing 3rd stringers. Geezus, how is this a struggle for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: No I’m sorry but Josh single handedly kept this game close. Yeah, he had a few bad passes especially the miss to McKenzie but the guy was a friggin warrior and did everything remotely possible to win this game. If he gets any kind of help from the O or special teams it’s a W. And I have no problem with Allen ripping Wilkins helmet off after Wilkins grabbed him in the junk and dragged him down. The Dolphins were friggin dirty, multiple times and the refs let them do it. I didn’t see anything concerning about Allen’s play I mean my god he had 400 yards passing and 47 rushing what more do you want? He can’t play flawless football, his guys have to step up like he did and make a friggin play. Yes they were dirty and Josh is certainly the best thing we've probably ever had. But he lost his composure and had he not, we would likely have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Josh overcame them last week. Did you notice Van Roten botching every other snap? Did you notice the Bills getting next to zero push on short yardage? If your argument is that the Bills OL played well against the Titans, we watched different games. Period. We also pulled our starters after the DEFENSE scored a TD. You know, the defense that allowed 7 points all game? Van Roten is a backup! That’s the point. He is terrible. INJURIES… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: No OL is good when playing 3rd stringers. Geezus, how is this a struggle for you? But it’s because we haven’t drafted young healthy Oline to be resilient enough to handle the nfl. We have old dudes that are basically washed up at this point outside of Brown and Schnow. Zero young depth. And when we do we draft crap like Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: The guy has won 20 straight games by double digits. I'm pretty sure he's learned how to be a savage and put teams away. The Patriots and the Dolphins can credit both of their narrow victories primarily to Mother Nature, not to anything they did on the field. Josh is amazing and I love his tenacious way of playing. But he lost focus a few times and he could have pulled us out of this ugly game with a win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Van Roten is a backup! That’s the point. He is terrible. INJURIES… Morse isn’t exactly prime rib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Van Roten is a backup! That’s the point. He is terrible. INJURIES… The point remains, if you think our OL played well last week, you are just flat out wrong my dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) Injuries aside the guard play has been awful this season and Spencer Brown is playing himself out of a job - and he’s the only Beane draft pick in the starting five. Inexcusable. Also insanely dumb are the rostering decisions - activating all the RBs and only five WRs on a day where one of your receivers is coming in injured and the game plan apparently calls for passing the ball SIXTY TIMES. Beane and McD, I know we all love them but they are a couple of gym teachers. Edited September 25, 2022 by Coach Tuesday 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yes nobody wants to hear the offensive line is a problem because it makes Beane look bad… It is Bad. Beane has zero ability to draft linemen. Look at Ford. 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Injuries aside the guard play has been awful this season and Spencer Brown is playing himself out of a job - and he’s the only Beane draft pick in the starting five. Inexcusable. Also insanely dumb are the rostering decisions - activating all the RBs and only five WRs on a day where one of your receivers is coming in injured and the game plan apparently calls for passing the ball SIXTY TIMES. Beane and McD, I know we all love them but they are a couple of gym teachers. It’s because the Oline sucks. We have to pass the ball 60 times because we can’t run the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: If they adapt better to conditions than we do then that's just an extra question for the coaches and players to answer. "Better" is a relative term. Those games could have gone either way, especially today since the Bills went in with an already-decimated roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Davis didn’t look right today I think he wasn't 100% and was forced to play more after Kumerow went out. Most likely Kumerow took more of the practice snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: The point remains, if you think our OL played well last week, you are just flat out wrong my dude. I didnt say they played well...For the last time...like for real the last time...I said BEFORE injuries, the OL was NOT holding this team back. After injuries, the OL is an issue. Not once debated that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Injuries aside the guard play has been awful this season and Spencer Brown is playing himself out of a job - and he’s the only Beane draft pick in the starting five. Inexcusable. Also insanely dumb are the rostering decisions - activating all the RBs and only five WRs on a day where one of your receivers is coming in injured and the game plan apparently calls for passing the ball SIXTY TIMES. Beane and McD, I know we all love them but they are a couple of gym teachers. No problem having all the RBs active, they all made impacts plays and got plenty of action in the passing game. But yes, bigger concern is OL. Same concern prior to the season, especially at G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I didnt say they played well...For the last time...like for real the last time...I said BEFORE injuries, the OL was NOT holding this team back. After injuries, the OL is an issue. Not once debated that. They were always a problem, but Josh could somewhat mask it. The fact that Josh has been able to do what he has with our “starter” line is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I didnt say they played well...For the last time...like for real the last time...I said BEFORE injuries, the OL was NOT holding this team back. After injuries, the OL is an issue. Not once debated that. If they don’t play well every week, they will eventually hold us back. This argument is like “well we won so no one played bad enough to hold us back.” Which is silly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I think this is pretty simple. It was an ugly game. Injuries before the game and during hurt bad. The refs were abysmal. The heat was deflating the offense as the game went on. In the end despite all that we're the better team and we still had multiple chances to win and let it slip. The defense did enough, Beane did enough, the offense did enough, special teams did enough, the coaching did enough to win. We missed our moments and lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Beane is a freaking golden goose of a GM, it’s not his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Morse isn’t exactly prime rib. You’re trying to hard at this point. He’s a very solid, competent, well respected veteran so yes, per your example he is in fact “prime rib” compared to Van Roten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Injuries aside the guard play has been awful this season and Spencer Brown is playing himself out of a job - and he’s the only Beane draft pick in the starting five. Inexcusable. Also insanely dumb are the rostering decisions - activating all the RBs and only five WRs on a day where one of your receivers is coming in injured and the game plan apparently calls for passing the ball SIXTY TIMES. Beane and McD, I know we all love them but they are a couple of gym teachers. The guys that they added to the OL with the intent that they may have to play a lot.......Saffold and Quessenberry........are guys who have been playing with a QB taking snaps at the LOS and running the hell out of the ball and benefitting in pass blocking from the defense anticipating the run. They are going to look like garbage if Allen is in the shotgun all season. I understand that they felt they were in a shootout today.........and I know why Allen wants to be in shotgun.........but at some point they need to get used to doing at least SOME of what this OL is built to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, UKBillFan said: In fairness, he spent big on Miller but he didn't really turn up today. Rousseau did far more. I believe he forced the safety that gave us a chance to win with a FG, but go ahead and stick to your agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: If they don’t play well every week, they will eventually hold us back. This argument is like “well we won so no one played bad enough to hold us back.” Which is silly No what is silly is coming to a message board and having a melt down about how Beane failed this team because he wasn't prepared to lose FIVE...of our 10 OL by games end. If we lost one more, we couldn't even field a starting 11 without taking a player from another position. If you think just any team in the NFL can casually lose 5 of its 10 OL on the roster and not miss a beat, then I don't know what to tell you. Before injuries, we did fine. With one injury, our offense scored so much that we pulled the offense in the 3rd quarter. Today, starting without our Center cost us this game on its own with the blown snap at the half costing us 3 points. Then we lost 4 more OL, including 2 starters throughout the game. Yet we still dominated the TOP, and should have still won the game if not for a missed FG Bass almost always makes or for the fact our WR decided to get a few more yards instead of going straight to the sideline to make sure we had a chance to kick it...or even just go down so we have more time to set. But here we are, its all Beanes fault for not stacking 20 OL I guess. Edited September 25, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I believe he forced the safety that gave us a chance to win with a FG, but go ahead and stick to your agenda Oh one thing then? And the rest of the time where Tua had time in the pocket without a care in the world? He's been fantastic so far but not today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: No what is silly is coming to a message board and having a melt down about how Beane failed this team because he wasn't prepared to lose FIVE...of our 10 OL by games end. If we lost one more, we couldn't even field a starting 11 without taking a player from another position. If you think just any team in the NFL can casually lose 5 of its 10 OL on the roster and not miss a beat, then I don't know what to tell you. Before injuries, we did fine. With one injury, our offense scored so much that we pulled the offense in the 3rd quarter. Today, starting without our Center cost us this game on its own with the blown snap at the half costing us 3 points. Then we lost 4 more OL, including 2 starters throughout the game. Yet we still dominated the TOP, and should have still won the game if not for a missed FG Bass almost always makes or for the fact our WR decided to get a few more yards instead of going straight to the sideline to make sure we had a chance to kick it...or even just go down so we have more time to set. But here we are, its all Beanes fault for not staking 20 OL I guess. you got to see who is posting this man. call it for what it is. but i agree 100% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Overreactions?… I’ve been saying it since the off-season, if the Bills don’t win the SB it will be because their offense struggles due to lack of playmakers and/or a struggling offensive line…. Couple that with a HC who struggles for a feel of the game and much like last season, this is the type of game you get. I still expect the Bills to win the division by at least two games. Yes, you have been saying this, ad nauseam. It does not make it any more true with respect why the game was lost today. So yes, a predictable overreaction to today’s game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) We have a bunch of old olinemen, of course they aren’t going to be able to stay healthy. We haven’t drafted anyone worth a darn outside of Brown, so what’s to be expected. Edited September 26, 2022 by IronMaidenBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why is it so hard for them to bring us real offensive linemen? We haven’t taken a 1st or 2nd round WR in how long? We deal with injuries and this is what we get, Allen with no time to throw and he’s going to end up getting hurt by it. Don’t get me wrong, Allen scrambling for yards is ok in some situations, but sidestepping on nearly every play because of trash blocking is going to get him killed eventually. If this next draft isn’t dedicated to multiple linemen, a WR and a S, then they get what they deserve. Overreaction Sunday night 🤦🏻♂️ Our O is fine. We lost 3/5 of our line. RELAX yall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Last year and the year prior the biggest issue the team had was getting to the QB, so that's been addressed. Meanwhile the offense for the most part with much of the same line has been close to unstoppable. So we should improve the O-line and continue to have the same issue with getting to the QB. Forget the final 13 seconds in KC, the reason that game was lost was again not being able to get to Mahomes. If this was baseball and no real salary cap, I'd agree, but there's only so much money to go around. Offensive lineman seem to be the players with the most fat to muscle mass ratio too, so have to believe the heat affects them more than most other positions. Add in they usually play every play, very little subbing there. Having said that do I agree the line needs improving yes, but putting the blame on Beane ignoring the offense is crazy. Both the active roster and starter cap plus all cash categories have more money spent on offense than defense so not sure any of this argument is really even true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I am curious if people do not recognize the great team that Beane has put together. I believe by the end we had 17 players out/hurt but still came within a hair of beating a quality opponent? I am very confident that if we get healthy we will be great but the league is built to stop anyone from being able to stockpile talent beyond starters. Our backups are an average NFL team, which is amazing considering on 2018 our starters were mainly good backups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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