Josh vs Tua

[Ralonzo]

The ball is mostly going to the first read. When that isn't available can he get to the second? If he doesn't have time to get to the second, can he buy that time and get the ball there?

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

17 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Please review and explain why we’re wrong

 

That game isn’t even from this year. Remember how butt hurt fans got when media/other fan groups would use Josh’s first 2 seasons to discredit how good he was when he broke into the scene? 
 

Not saying Tua is Josh, I’m just saying he may not be trash. He could be a solid starting NFL QB.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Tua has had one exceptionally good quarter out of his last 16 quarters played. The other 15 quarters of football have been either average or below average QB play. Allen has played at a good to exceptionally good level in his last 15 quarters of football. Not needing to play at all in his most recent quarter.

 

Tua and Miami are intriguing. At the least, we see that their offense is explosive and the addition of Hill was a homerun for them. They won't ever be out of a game even if down multiple scores in the 4th quarter. The difference in this game will hopefully be the Bills pass rush and McDermott/Frazier's track record of consistent don't get beat deep secondary regardless of who is back there.

 

Josh Allen and the Bills offense is on an amazing efficiency streak. Law of averages suggest sooner rather than later they will have a down game unless they are one of those truly elite offenses like the 2007 Patriots or 2013 Broncos. Neither team was held to less than 30 points on the score board until weeks 9 and 8 respectively. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

37 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Please review and explain why we’re wrong

 

 

And this is one of Tua's last four games played. One of his worst ever as a pro. In a high stakes game that Miami had to have. Then the following week he plays a game manager role at New England attempting only 22 passes while getting the win. Meanwhile exactly one week later against the exact same New England defense Josh Allen leads the Bills offense to the first ever perfect game while throwing 5 TD's in zero degree weather.

 

And Tua's week one game this year against the Patriots was very much like his final game last season. Game manger squeaking out the win 20-7 in a game that the offense only put up 13 of those 20 points.

 

If you look at the totals of the last four games played for each player, Tua vs. Josh, Josh still runs circles around Tua but Tua probably looks somewhat respectable in terms of QB rating, QBR and TD to INT ratio. But it is heavily dependent on one quarter of football. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

21 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That game isn’t even from this year. Remember how butt hurt fans got when media/other fan groups would use Josh’s first 2 seasons to discredit how good he was when he broke into the scene? 
 

Not saying Tua is Josh, I’m just saying he may not be trash. He could be a solid starting NFL QB.

 

It's not but it is one of the last four games he played. Also, the very next week he played the Patriots and I have to say he was a game manager in that game just like he was in the week one game this year against the same team. Two different seasons, same opponent, same game manager style don't lose the game for us type of game. A lot of the talk about Allen has been what he has done in his last four games dating back to last seasons playoffs. He is on a historical run. So I think it is fare to contrast with Tua's last four games. Tua has had a historical quarter of football. But it happens to be the last quarter he played.

 

All this said, Tua has gotten a lot of crap from fans and media as a guy that can't cut in this league. As Bills fans I think we can all relate to that as Allen got a lot of that in his first two seasons. In that sense I am happy for Tua and rooting for him. Just not this Sunday. I still think the cards are stacked heavily against Tua breaking out for an entire season though. Time will tell if Tua's 3rd season can be a breakout season like Allen's 3rd season was. But so far Tua merely has one great quarter of football in two games. Allen had 7 or 8 great quarters of football when he broke out in his first two games back in 2020.

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Tua has given their fan base a lot of hope.  Looking at their score predictions, they seem to be under the impression that last week was going to be the norm.  95% of the scores are Dolphins between 30-45 points against us.

 

Tua has improved.  He will hit open WR and fit 5 yard slants into tight windows.  However, his ball on the deep passes still hang in the air for a bit and I think he will struggle in that medium 10-20 throws consistently.  He has weak areas and I don’t think Josh does.

Dude Tua sucks. 

[Big Turk]

There is no comparison 

 

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[Success]

Anyone watch that game last week - or see the highlights?

 

Hill and Waddle were ridiculously wide open on so many plays.  Tua actually had some pretty bad throws to them - they had to either slow down or adjust.

 

[wjag]

This should be a fun game.  

[NyQuil]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

The ball is mostly going to the first read. When that isn't available can he get to the second? If he doesn't have time to get to the second, can he buy that time and get the ball there?

 

 

By the time he does his second or third read he will have a Bill in his face.

Edited September 24, 2022 by NyQuil

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Please review and explain why we’re wrong

 

I personally think last years film doesn't equate to this year but I also think Tua hasn't really been tested yet this year.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

Tua being mildly successful is not necessarily a bad thing for us. He just needs to be good enough to keep his job. He’s going to have games where he looks great given the weapons he has, but there will be some reality checks mixed in as well. If he struggles against what is essentially a second-string Defense we are fielding tomorrow just imagine what we can do when we aren’t missing 7 starters 

 

Tua needs to be good enough so when Titans get tired of their used toy from Mijami that they will get another one rather than a new sportscar.

[Mynamemike]

Although the coaching was a mess his first two years, you can’t deny they’ve surrounded him with weapons.  In the little I’ve seen him play other then our games he seems like he could be a very good/ above average qb imo.  Not overly elite at anything but very solid which will allow them to win games.  Seems like their coaching staff believes in him and if they get their defense together they’re going to be our biggest competitor in the East the next few years.  I think with all the injuries to our D he could have a good game tomorrow.  Those receivers plus Geseki are going to be a handful.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Dude Tua sucks. 

He’s above suck now.  He’s meh.

[Freddie's Dead]

Tua gonna crash back down to earth tomorrow.  Hard.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

Of course Allen is better, if not the best. However, that doesn’t mean Tua hasn’t improved. I think too many here are underestimating the impact of McDaniel who has structured an offense to support Tua. Since they’ve only played 2 games, I’m sure they are getting better as a whole. 
I expect this should be a shoot out that Allen and the Bills win, especially given the injuries on D. 

I’ve watched just about every second of the dolphins two games this season and I think people are overestimating the system being kinder to tua actually.  Not saying he isn’t better but he’s certainly not much better.  Tuas performed about the same against decent coverage as last season…that ravens 4th quarter is going to be a crazy statistical outlier because of how bad that secondary was communicating down the stretch.    He’s a mostly one read qb who just won’t throw the ball in tight windows and it showed for 7/8 quarters of the season.

he’s laser accurate when his receiver has a step but he seems pretty hesitant to try to throw guys open.

 

They have had plenty of drives stall out dumping the ball out in the flats and losing 4-5 yards when he has receivers open downfield.
 

 he looks like he’s still holding the team back to me so I hope people keep talking him up honestly.  Lamar would be pretty scary with that supporting cast and I’ve heard that rumored. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[SirAndrew]

I loved the video montage of Tua’s bad throws. His throwing motion reminds me a lot of Tim Tebow. He has a great wideout in Tyreek Hill who’s the kind of guy who can bail out a QB. Tua’s going to have some good games as a result, but nothing I see points to him being great. He simply doesn’t pass the eye test. 

[NewEra]

Big win vs small lose.

[CircleTheWagons99]

ITS BEEN TWO WEEKS. What happens if Hill or Waddle get hurt? TUA will not be able to win games without them. Josh has proven he can win without his starting cast. Can Tua? 

[MPL]

Most of the media reaction I have seen has been acknowledging that Tua is progressing but not wanting to overreact until they see it consistently from him. There's no denying that what Tua did in the 4th quarter was incredible... even if you want to point to the Ravens leaving guys wide open. Tua also made a number of clutch throws where he put the ball where only his guy could get it... including the game-winner to Waddle. 

 

I think Tua is better than a lot of Bills fans want to admit. He can get the ball out quickly and can be very accurate. That said, he can also be rattled, lock on to one guy for too long, and has the occasional errant throw. 

Josh Allen made some bad throws and missed some wide open guys in year 3. Josh Allen throw a 5-yard pass into the dirt on MNF last week. But it's very clear that Josh has transcended to a different level this year. The way he runs the offense and commands the line of scrimmage looks like Manning or even Brady. Add that to his absurd physical traits, and good luck stopping it. 

 

No one in the media is claiming Tua is better than Josh. But with this Miami offense, Tua just has to get the ball out on time and accurately. They can win a lot of games that way with the speed they have, and they'll be a playoff team this year. Bring the pressure and get him rattled. He'll make mistakes.