Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Do we really want this dark cloud hanging over the Bills and their superbowl run ?

 

Is a punter worth it ?

In a vacuum, no.   Beane/FO cannot make their decisions based off Twitter. 
 

That doesn’t mean go Browns and stick by him if there are dozens of accusers and mountains of evidence, but they have to think about the team.  
 

Unless Araiza is a complete tool, I’m 99% sure most of the team has his back right now and would feel the organization is sus if they release him within 24 hours of this going viral nationally. 

[aceman_16]

54 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

It is this sort of trying via social media that is messed up. Soooo many questions here. Why would a lawyer post this? As a medical professional this is extremely traumatizing and the entire world knows? Even if the young lady said go ahead with this.....I do not know of ANY mental health professionals who would agree that this is a good idea. Also, now that this is out there (truth or not) this young woman will be scrutinized. Statements like "when was it written?" "Did she make it up to sway the case?" "How can it be used as evidence with no archival data attached?" Etc.

 

It is a despicable act to re-traumatize this young lady to win a case of public support.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Cutting him does not end his career - it just means the Bills move on from him.  If he is found guilty that will end his career.  If he is innocent he can try out for any other team.

If we can't have him... Nobody can! Why is that unreasonable? I trust the team,  if they believe him, keep him. 

[StHustle]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Guilty or innocent of a crime if that was my son who pulled something like this and exploited a child there would be significant consequences.  Also, Araiza doesn’t have a right to this job.  He put himself in a bad spot.  Maybe he didn’t act criminally.  Maybe he did.  But it seems like he’s guilty of behaving like an obnoxious frat boy and, if he loses his job over the issue, then that’s his problem.  

Wow…exploited a child?? Smh. She showed up to a college party admittedly already have been drinking. 17 year olds aren’t 12 she is legal age for sex in most states and knows exactly what she was doing going somewhere with grown men. That alone gives reason to believe the claims made that she said she was 18!and a freshman in college. In California that makes it NOT A CRIME to have sex with her under this circumstances. 

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Right. You don’t think a person who was in an out of consciousness while being gang raped for 90-120 minutes could realized that they were raped?

She was alert enough to tell a friend right afterwards that she was raped. So the in and out of consciousness ended as soon as the rape was over. Coincidence 

[CountDorkula]

Just now, StHustle said:

Wow…exploited a child?? Smh. She showed up to a college party admittedly already have been drinking. 17 year olds aren’t 12 she is legal age for sex in most states and knows exactly what she was doing going somewhere with grown men. That alone gives reason to believe the claims made that she said she was 18!and a freshman in college. In California that makes it NOT A CRIME to have sex with her under this circumstances. 

the ol' its partially her fault she got raped. Good job

[1ManRaid]

8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Agree... I expect the team to stick by him IF they believe him.  That's what seems to be happening. 

 

Part of the reason I'm a little more innocent until proven guilty in this case is that I've personally had a friend nearly ruined because of a false rape claim.  I'm not saying he is innocent, but I can't stand the mob lynching at the drop of a hat on just the accusation. So it really bugs me to see people say false rape claims never happen.

 

I've personally had to intervene and shut down a false rape claim against my best friend by a female friend of mine he was dating.  Both her and my ex (her best friend) were literally set to go to the police the next day with her mom to both file false rape claims against him, after already admitting to me it was bogus and they were just doing this because they were angry at him and wanted a way to break up with him and not look bad.  I knew they both only dated him (and another friend of mine) because it was actually me they liked and knew they could spend time with me through my friends, so I made it clear to them that ruining my best friend's life with these false claims would 100% forever make me hate them and want nothing to do with them other than vigorously pursuing charges against them for false claims.  That was enough to get them to back off and not go through with pressing charges.  The worst part is the mom knew the claims were false and was encouraging them to go through with it anyways, I think out of some general hatred for men from her divorce. 

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, StHustle said:

Wow…exploited a child?? Smh. She showed up to a college party admittedly already have been drinking. 17 year olds aren’t 12 she is legal age for sex in most states and knows exactly what she was doing going somewhere with grown men. That alone gives reason to believe the claims made that she said she was 18!and a freshman in college. In California that makes it NOT A CRIME to have sex with her under this circumstances. 

You and I have a different view of things.  I don’t believe that an adult should engage in that activity with a drunk child.  So yes, Araiza exploited a child.  

[K-9]

27 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

We have reached 100+ pages in less than a day - ABOUT OUR PUNTER.  Seems like an unnecessary distraction for a team that punts maybe once or twice a game 

Do you really think this is about our punter? 

[StHustle]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

the ol' its partially her fault she got raped. Good job

where did I mention rape? I’m talking about the fact that 16, 17 year olds lying about their age to make them older does NOT make them victims when they get the sex they were hoping for. To call it child exploitation is total bullsh*t. 
 

The rape is a whole nother aspect and one that Araiza said he is innocent of. He admitted to having consensual sex with her and people want to hang him for that alone cause she was 17

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

It is this sort of trying via social media that is messed up. Soooo many questions here. Why would a lawyer post this? As a medical professional this is extremely traumatizing and the entire world knows? Even if the young lady said go ahead with this.....I do not know of ANY mental health professionals who would agree that this is a good idea. Also, now that this is out there (truth or not) this young woman will be scrutinized. Statements like "when was it written?" "Did she make it up to sway the case?" "How can it be used as evidence with no archival data attached?" Etc.

 

It is a despicable act to re-traumatize this young lady to win a case of public support.

It seems extremely unprofessional for a lawyer to post a client's journal on social media 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

She was alert enough to tell a friend right afterwards that she was raped. So the in and out of consciousness ended as soon as the rape was over. Coincidence 

What is this, the 1950s?  Let’s see what the rape kit holds.  Hard to fake the physical injury the kit could (and, here, given prior reports, likely will) find. 

1 minute ago, StHustle said:

where did I mention rape? I’m talking about the fact that 16, 17 year olds lying about their age to make them older does NOT make them victims when they get the sex they were hoping for. To call it child exploitation is total bullsh*t. 
 

The rape is a whole nother aspect and one that Araiza said he is innocent of. He admitted to having consensual sex with her and people want to hang him for that alone cause she was 17

And that she was intoxicated.  And that he was an adult.  And that the rest of the allegations, though to this point unproven, are abhorrent. 

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

She was alert enough to tell a friend right afterwards that she was raped. So the in and out of consciousness ended as soon as the rape was over. Coincidence 

Ridiculous take

Edited August 26, 2022 by BarleyNY

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

It seems extremely unprofessional for a lawyer to post a client's journal on social media 

What if the client authorized the post?

[HamSandwhich]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

You and I have a different view of things.  I don’t believe that an adult should engage in that activity with a drunk child.  So yes, Araiza exploited a child.  

Seems like judge and Jury is already out? It’s been decided he did this? 

[RiotAct]

10 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

It is this sort of trying via social media that is messed up. Soooo many questions here. Why would a lawyer post this? As a medical professional this is extremely traumatizing and the entire world knows? Even if the young lady said go ahead with this.....I do not know of ANY mental health professionals who would agree that this is a good idea. Also, now that this is out there (truth or not) this young woman will be scrutinized. Statements like "when was it written?" "Did she make it up to sway the case?" "How can it be used as evidence with no archival data attached?" Etc.

 

It is a despicable act to re-traumatize this young lady to win a case of public support.

I mean, his Twitter tagline DOES say “… and middle aged lawyer who would rather be fishing”.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Bandito said:

Are you referring to me? I said that piercings are common among HS girls under the age of 18. Not sure how you thought that factual statement was out of touch?

Not at all. I was piggybacking on your response to Buffaloflash who suggested her parents were somehow lacking by “letting” their teenager get piercings, etc. Buffaloflash’s comment was the one out of touch.

Edited August 26, 2022 by K-9

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

You and I have a different view of things.  I don’t believe that an adult should engage in that activity with a drunk child.  So yes, Araiza exploited a child.  

Though do we have explicit evidence that he knew she was a child? She says she told him he was 17; defence witnesses state she told many people present that she was 18.

[StHustle]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

You and I have a different view of things.  I don’t believe that an adult should engage in that activity with a drunk child.  So yes, Araiza exploited a child.  

Even if said “child” looked like an adult and lied and said she was an adult on a college campus where plenty freshman/sophomore woman look just like her? Hang him cause he didn’t verify ID? You sir are a scumbag to judge other people based of BS like that. You must be mr perfect that got everything right or some loser who didn’t get any action around that age and totally have no idea what goes on! You know how many people in this thread were lied to by underage woman?? Totally absolve the liar and blame the person who took their word for it???

 

Tou are what’s wrong with America and I can pretty much guess what News station you watch!

[1ManRaid]

14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t know what beyond alcohol she ingested, how much of it she ingested or if there was anything else at all. Seems very plausible to me that someone who’d just been gang raped for 90-120 minutes and was conscious enough to walk out of a room and communicate with another person would realized that they’d been raped.

 

I was mostly addressing the mentions that she had been or possibly had been roofied, not being generally drunk.  If you're drunk and THEN roofied, that is DEFINITELY something you don't just wake up coherent from in only 2 hours.  Just drunk, sure maybe it's possible to snap out of like that for a bit.