Niagara Dude Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, muppy said: greetings. Regarding judging someone before they are convicted in a court of law here is my take. A civil lawsuit will be heard and he may be found innocent or guilty. But the taint of an allegation like this will be stink that won[t easily wash off either way. I think they only thing that would be worse than being sexually assaulted is being wrongfully accused of a sexual assault. Think about it. watson settled lawsuits based on how many womens testimony? Heck yes I'd boo him. A guy like araiza? IMO not yet. that's just me though. I fully agree, this is why if he was innocent it was much better to pay her before this went to there media . He was there, booze was flowing and people will come to their own conclusions . I can guarantee , any short of her coming out and saying he was wrongly accused and not involved this will explode over the next few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 My thoughts: There is nothing the Bills can do about what happened last yr to this woman (or didn’t happen). As a business, you look at how this impacts the organization. This is a no win scenario if he stays on the team: the news media will not stop, and this likely won’t resolve itself this season. Hes a punter and the reality is he’s one of the most expendable pieces on this team. How will the news distract the team? How will the news distract him and his performance? The accusation here is gang rape of a minor - not some “sexual misconduct” accusation. This will not go away. The risk/reward here from a business perspective is clear: cut him now. If he’s truly innocent he’ll get another shot in the NFL and will make a boat load of money compared to the rest of us. If he’s not, then good riddance. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 hours ago, JohnNord said: Not the same situation but yeah he could be banished from the league. my point was, he’s not facing criminal charges. Someone alluded to him going to prison - as of now that’s not on the table Gang rape vs a creep on a massage table. Both are bad, rape is much worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Were the accusations this serious though? I don't recall the incidents with McCoy/Dodson so I'm not saying your wrong, just curious Dodson was accused of domestic violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 As others have mentioned, the bills reacting is my biggest curiosity at this point. How in the living ***** could they have know about this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: If I understand correctly, Araiza’s attorney is not claiming a rape did not take place , or a rape did take place. His stance is Matt had consensual sex with this girl outside while she was cogent, then she went into a room and what happened there he has no clue. at least that is how I interpreted the attorney, but I could be wrong. Araiza's attorney is on record last night saying one if Matt's teammates may be charged. Meaning rape may have taken place. Other notes. Attorney claims that Araiza informed the NFL pre-draft that he was being accused. But then walks back what the Bills may have known by saying that they were informed in the last six weeks... What exactly did Matt Araiza inform the NFL of pre-draft? And what specifically did the Bills know? Did they know they would have a player named in a gang tape law suit? Edited August 26, 2022 by Motorin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I wonder what the next beane McD press conference is going to be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Were the accusations this serious though? I don't recall the incidents with McCoy/Dodson so I'm not saying your wrong, just curious Domestic violence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyhero68 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 "ACCUSED" does not mean guilty. People are accused if many things. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, teef said: As others have mentioned, the bills reacting is my biggest curiosity at this point. How in the living ***** could they have know about this? And thought it would be a such a good idea keeping him and they could asorb the media blitz over a damned punter. Edited August 26, 2022 by Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 This contradicts some of what was said earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: She accuses ariza of pouring the drink that knocked her out. That is new news I believe GEEZ, I should sue every barmaid in town 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: If I understand correctly, Araiza’s attorney is not claiming a rape did not take place , or a rape did take place. His stance is Matt had consensual sex with this girl outside while she was cogent, then she went into a room and what happened there he has no clue. at least that is how I interpreted the attorney, but I could be wrong. That’s exactly what he’s saying. I’m going to guess that Araiza has witnesses backing up his story and that’s why the Bills didn’t release him. The girl claims Araiza brought her to the bedroom. That’s the part where things get messy. So if it’s proven she was raped the question becomes who was in the room. What happened outside isn’t even in the lawsuit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 hours ago, boater said: Yeah. We'll just ignore that Araiza phoned/texted her to get a test for STDs. We'll just ignore her age. We'll just Watson the whole situation. If a person commits rape, why would they text the partner to ask them to get tested for STD's... That actually sounds consensual. but I have to wait for the facts... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 12 hours ago, 716er said: Araiza was talked about like the best punter ever. There were talks of him going in as high as the 2nd round. He was then the 3rd punter off the board. No doubt in my mind teams knew about this. Not necessarily. Line drive kicks, Hang time, and not being a holder also hurt him. He was not the highest rated punter in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: That's not the theme ive gotten. Yes some have jumped to conclusion ON BOTH SIDES. Most have been level headed saying If true he needs to be punished and that goes beyond football. What I cant put up with is people in here victim shaming and blaming here for being at that party. I haven't been through the entire thread, but the first few pages were filled with people saying he's guilty based on the LA Times article alone. Nobody should be jumping to conclusions. Every one of us however is guaranteed the presumption of innocence. If proven guilty then throw the book at him. Women being afraid to come forward in these situations has absolutely been a problem. But allowing the pendulum to swing in the opposite direction with the pitchfork mob mentality of guilty by accusation that we've seen in recent years is not helping with that problem. There has absolutely been actual victim shaming in this thread, but there's also been people saying that if you say he's innocent until proven guilty then that is victim shaming. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This contradicts some of what was said earlier Yeah, he’s getting released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, ALF said: In California, it is illegal for an adult (someone 18 or older) to have sex with a minor (someone younger than 18), even if the sex is consensual. Those who break the law have committed statutory rape. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/california-statutory-rape-laws.htm#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,law have committed statutory rape. Thanks for posting this. California allows Mistake of Age as a defense. Without knowing the details, it seems a reasonable assumption that attendees of a college party are beyond the age of consent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: If a person commits rape, why would they text the partner to ask them to get tested for STD's... That actually sounds consensual. but I have to wait for the facts... She was 17. That’s one fact we don’t have to wait for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I wonder what the next beane McD press conference is going to be like The statement they've put out already will speak for itself. They will not comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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