RyanC883 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: In what way is he inflexible? he refuses to blitz, play press coverage, and plays off ball coverage on WRs. If those final 13 seconds did not display his inflexibility I don't know what does. Either pressure the QB quickly and have CBs back, or press coverage. Or mixture of both. It was the vanilla "prevent D" that "prevents you from winning" that we got. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 50 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: he refuses to blitz, play press coverage, and plays off ball coverage on WRs. If those final 13 seconds did not display his inflexibility I don't know what does. Either pressure the QB quickly and have CBs back, or press coverage. Or mixture of both. It was the vanilla "prevent D" that "prevents you from winning" that we got. The 13 seconds were bad, they have been done to death, but I don't think he in inflexible. When we won in Kansas City in the regular season he played Tre and Taron in much more press coverage and disrupted KC at the line. Once Tre went down for the year the simple fact is our ability to do that on the outside went with him - if we had pressed Levi and Dane against people like Tyreek Hill it would have been an even bigger disaster. Frazier has shown plenty of flexibility and he does a really good job of disguised coverage. Most people who dislike Frazier are really just blitzing zealots. The Bills blitzed the 13th most in the NFL last year. They do it plenty. I actually think they did it too much last year and we gave up at least two big plays that ended up costing us games on poor blitzes. He is a clever coordinator who is undervalued by most Bills fans. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: you must not be watching. When I watch the Bills on defense I see a huge tall man with loooong arms blocking any footballs from getting past him in the middle of the field. Hey fair enough, I just don't see it. I see a guy who's lost out there a lot of the time. And I see a guy who doesn't make impact plays. (That part is pretty objective and even the biggest Edmunds fans can't argue this one) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said: Hey fair enough, I just don't see it. I see a guy who's lost out there a lot of the time. And I see a guy who doesn't make impact plays. (That part is pretty objective and even the biggest Edmunds fans can't argue this one) …but McD and Frazier love him, so all of his detractors are wrong. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Hey fair enough, I just don't see it. I see a guy who's lost out there a lot of the time. And I see a guy who doesn't make impact plays. (That part is pretty objective and even the biggest Edmunds fans can't argue this one) Ah sorry I was being sarcastic. Couldn’t find the sarcasm emoji at 6am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The 13 seconds were bad, they have been done to death, but I don't think he in inflexible. When we won in Kansas City in the regular season he played Tre and Taron in much more press coverage and disrupted KC at the line. Once Tre went down for the year the simple fact is our ability to do that on the outside went with him - if we had pressed Levi and Dane against people like Tyreek Hill it would have been an even bigger disaster. Frazier has shown plenty of flexibility and he does a really good job of disguised coverage. Most people who dislike Frazier are really just blitzing zealots. The Bills blitzed the 13th most in the NFL last year. They do it plenty. I actually think they did it too much last year and we gave up at least two big plays that ended up costing us games on poor blitzes. He is a clever coordinator who is undervalued by most Bills fans. Well in that 1st K.C. game he was on national media saying he was gonna rely on rushing 4. He got away with it because at that point the Chiefs were sucking....and in the national media after was touted and taking credit for being a genius. That playoff game showcased his stubbornness. Mahomes goes left and dumps it, Mahomes goes right and dumps it. Frazier should have fired himself after that game..... and while I'm at it, Maine looked like a lost rookie. Here's to hoping Mcd is laying some ground work to run some 4-3 and different looks when he needs to like press man and sending a backer on every play. Nickel is gonna get old and it's gonna cost us games, especially against running teams with big backs. Just like needing to stay ahead of the curve on offense, the same is needed on defense. Trends are always changing, but some coaches just cannot adapt. We don't need a D. Wanndstent (sp?) defense. We need to evolve. I'm excited about the Dline additions, but they are still going to have to stunt and blitz. 13th in blitzing needs to be broken down a bit and it probably was a result of just a handful of games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Ah sorry I was being sarcastic. Couldn’t find the sarcasm emoji at 6am Hahah oh whoops sorry buddy. well played then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 6 hours ago, nosejob said: Well in that 1st K.C. game he was on national media saying he was gonna rely on rushing 4. He got away with it because at that point the Chiefs were sucking....and in the national media after was touted and taking credit for being a genius. That playoff game showcased his stubbornness. Mahomes goes left and dumps it, Mahomes goes right and dumps it. Frazier should have fired himself after that game..... and while I'm at it, Maine looked like a lost rookie. Here's to hoping Mcd is laying some ground work to run some 4-3 and different looks when he needs to like press man and sending a backer on every play. Nickel is gonna get old and it's gonna cost us games, especially against running teams with big backs. Just like needing to stay ahead of the curve on offense, the same is needed on defense. Trends are always changing, but some coaches just cannot adapt. We don't need a D. Wanndstent (sp?) defense. We need to evolve. I'm excited about the Dline additions, but they are still going to have to stunt and blitz. 13th in blitzing needs to be broken down a bit and it probably was a result of just a handful of games. See. The people who dislike Frazier are blitz zealots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 8 hours ago, nosejob said: Well in that 1st K.C. game he was on national media saying he was gonna rely on rushing 4. He got away with it because at that point the Chiefs were sucking....and in the national media after was touted and taking credit for being a genius. That playoff game showcased his stubbornness. Mahomes goes left and dumps it, Mahomes goes right and dumps it. Frazier should have fired himself after that game..... and while I'm at it, Maine looked like a lost rookie. Here's to hoping Mcd is laying some ground work to run some 4-3 and different looks when he needs to like press man and sending a backer on every play. Nickel is gonna get old and it's gonna cost us games, especially against running teams with big backs. Just like needing to stay ahead of the curve on offense, the same is needed on defense. Trends are always changing, but some coaches just cannot adapt. We don't need a D. Wanndstent (sp?) defense. We need to evolve. I'm excited about the Dline additions, but they are still going to have to stunt and blitz. 13th in blitzing needs to be broken down a bit and it probably was a result of just a handful of games. Mahomes is deadly against the blitz so it wasn't Frazier's stubbornness in only rushing four the whole game. It was countless examples over the years of Mahomes tearing apart teams that brought more than four rushers. The main difference between the first and second Chiefs game was we didn't have Tre White and our d-line didn't get as much pressure on Mahomes and/or couldn't finish. It's part of why we revamped our defensive line and signed Von Miller. It also may be why McBeane felt they needed to upgrade from Levi Wallace at the #2 CB role. Drafting Bernard shows me that they are well aware they need to improve against run heavy teams. You don't kick a d-coordinator to the curb when your defense was number one overall. However, I'll admit that after those 13 seconds though I felt at the time they should've left him in KC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Anyone who thinks Edmunds won't be extended is kidding themselves. He'll be extended and it'll be for top 10 money. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Anyone who thinks Edmunds won't be extended is kidding themselves. He'll be extended and it'll be for top 10 money. 10th is Matt Milano money - $10.5m AAV. I could live with that. Not sure he is taking that when the top of the market is almost double that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) On 7/29/2022 at 2:47 AM, BillsFan130 said: Yep. The only thing Edmunds fans can say is, "but he takes up so much space in the middle of the field, and he's a leader ". Or will cherry pick some stat like joe Marino did on that podcast. I say this with no disrespect to people as everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it just boggles my mind how people can watch Edmunds and think he's a good football player. The dude just doesn't make impact plays. Yet coaches, teammates and his peers say the opposite. That he’s impacting the game at a multitude of levels throughout the game. Maybe your definition of impact plays is too limited to things like sacks and just doesn’t factor in the way our DC uses Edmunds on the field. Because the coaches feel that he’s executing what they ask him to do at a high level, and so do his teammates. I’ve said this many times, the things fans hate the most about Edmunds is less about Edmunds play, and more about how they use him isn’t going to generate a high number of the fans narrow view of what they define as an “impact” play. Edited July 30, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: See. The people who dislike Frazier are blitz zealots. Because I want to see more creativity resulting in more sacks and TFL's?.....I plead guilty. If this line looks like Mario, Marcel, Kyle and Jerry, ya won't hear a peep out of me, but sadly trends change on a yearly basis. We will be sending 4 against 5 Oline , 2 TE's and a back. It's gonna be a matter of simple math a majority of the time....just like always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, nosejob said: Because I want to see more creativity resulting in more sacks and TFL's?.....I plead guilty. If this line looks like Mario, Marcel, Kyle and Jerry, ya won't hear a peep out of me, but sadly trends change on a yearly basis. We will be sending 4 against 5 Oline , 2 TE's and a back. It's gonna be a matter of simple math a majority of the time....just like always. The Bills led the league in pressures last year. The problem they had in terms of converting to sacks was talent. It was lack of finishers outside. There was nothing wrong with the scheme. It was talent. That is why we paid Von Miller. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: 10th is Matt Milano money - $10.5m AAV. I could live with that. Not sure he is taking that when the top of the market is almost double that Yep. They'll agree on a nice healthy extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yet coaches, teammates and his peers say the opposite. That he’s impacting the game at a multitude of levels throughout the game. Maybe your definition of impact plays is too limited to things like sacks and just doesn’t factor in the way our DC uses Edmunds on the field. Because the coaches feel that he’s executing what they ask him to do at a high level, and so do his teammates. I’ve said this many times, the things fans hate the most about Edmunds is less about Edmunds play, and more about how they use him isn’t going to generate a high number of the fans narrow view of what they define as an “impact” play. They say the opposite, but why isn't he extended yet? They could have saved a lot of money on the cap also. Clearly they aren't sure of him either and they want to see more. (Beane always extends his core guys prior to a contract expiring, with the exception of Milano) Impact plays I define as sacks, INT, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, pass break ups, batted balls. Want to know how many he had of that total? 13... I'm sorry but that's just unacceptable for a guy who plays every snap and is in the centre of the field. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yet coaches, teammates and his peers say the opposite. That he’s impacting the game at a multitude of levels throughout the game. Maybe your definition of impact plays is too limited to things like sacks and just doesn’t factor in the way our DC uses Edmunds on the field. Because the coaches feel that he’s executing what they ask him to do at a high level, and so do his teammates. I’ve said this many times, the things fans hate the most about Edmunds is less about Edmunds play, and more about how they use him isn’t going to generate a high number of the fans narrow view of what they define as an “impact” play. And sorry, *tackles for loss as well for impact plays, So INT, TFL, sacks, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, pass breaks up and batted balls. He had 13 total impact plays combined.... I don't understand how its even possible to have that low of a number for a starting MLB, neverthless for a guy who plays basically every snap. Edited July 31, 2022 by BillsFan130 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The Bills led the league in pressures last year. The problem they had in terms of converting to sacks was talent. It was lack of finishers outside. There was nothing wrong with the scheme. It was talent. That is why we paid Von Miller. Pressures, hurries and knockdown can all still be completed for TD's. Nothing good offensively comes from a sack. I'm so sick and tired of "almost" getting to the qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yet coaches, teammates and his peers say the opposite. That he’s impacting the game at a multitude of levels throughout the game. You need to stop reading the PR Interviews, they are supposed to be like that. The big tell is that he is the only one who hasn't gotten a pay day. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: You need to stop reading the PR Interviews, they are supposed to be like that. The big tell is that he is the only one who hasn't gotten a pay day. This. The Bills got ahead of the game with White and Allen after their third year making them the second highest paid player at their position in terms of average annual value. Allen's now fifth while White is seventh. That's why extending Oliver now makes sense but Oliver may bet on himself to have an elite season driving up his price. The Bills could've (and still can I guess) significantly reduce Edmunds's cap hit this year with an extension but they haven't yet. If I was a betting man I think he makes top dollar elsewhere next season if they don't get an extension done in the next few weeks. Some dysfunctional franchise will overpay next year. Frazier mentioned making more splash plays and my guess is that's what McBeane's expectations this year are too. There just hasn't been much improvement at all since his rookie year so why would this year be any different? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Pressures, hurries and knockdown can all still be completed for TD's. Nothing good offensively comes from a sack. I'm so sick and tired of "almost" getting to the qb. I don't disagree. But the issue of not getting there was talent not scheme. We haven't had a finisher on the edge. They know that it is why they went and paid Von. Just sending more and more guys at the QB doesn't work. That gives up big completions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 31, 2022 Author Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't disagree. But the issue of not getting there was talent not scheme. We haven't had a finisher on the edge. They know that it is why they went and paid Von. Just sending more and more guys at the QB doesn't work. That gives up big completions. Jerry was a helluva player . I remember he either tied or broke JJ Watts record for pressures in a game with 20+ . Kinda sums up his tenure as a Bill. 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: This. The Bills got ahead of the game with White and Allen after their third year making them the second highest paid player at their position in terms of average annual value. Allen's now fifth while White is seventh. That's why extending Oliver now makes sense but Oliver may bet on himself to have an elite season driving up his price. The Bills could've (and still can I guess) significantly reduce Edmunds's cap hit this year with an extension but they haven't yet. If I was a betting man I think he makes top dollar elsewhere next season if they don't get an extension done in the next few weeks. Some dysfunctional franchise will overpay next year. Frazier mentioned making more splash plays and my guess is that's what McBeane's expectations this year are too. There just hasn't been much improvement at all since his rookie year so why would this year be any different? I disagree. Because who replaces Edmunds? Beane n Co aren't going to let the QB of a consistent top 5 defense just walk without having a definitive plan at such an important position and I don't see a replacement out there unless they go with a rookie, which is always a risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: This. The Bills got ahead of the game with White and Allen after their third year making them the second highest paid player at their position in terms of average annual value. Allen's now fifth while White is seventh. That's why extending Oliver now makes sense but Oliver may bet on himself to have an elite season driving up his price. The Bills could've (and still can I guess) significantly reduce Edmunds's cap hit this year with an extension but they haven't yet. If I was a betting man I think he makes top dollar elsewhere next season if they don't get an extension done in the next few weeks. Some dysfunctional franchise will overpay next year. Frazier mentioned making more splash plays and my guess is that's what McBeane's expectations this year are too. There just hasn't been much improvement at all since his rookie year so why would this year be any different? Yes sir. Not to mention Dawkins and Taron as well as those guys had extensions done before their contracts expired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Jerry was a helluva player . I remember he either tied or broke JJ Watts record for pressures in a game with 20+ . Kinda sums up his tenure as a Bill. I disagree. Because who replaces Edmunds? Beane n Co aren't going to let the QB of a consistent top 5 defense just walk without having a definitive plan at such an important position and I don't see a replacement out there unless they go with a rookie, which is always a risk You draft a rookie... it's what they did when they drafted Edmunds. It seems like the thing they don't mind doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, TBBills said: You need to stop reading the PR Interviews, they are supposed to be like that. The big tell is that he is the only one who hasn't gotten a pay day. No disrespect, but I mean you’re giving that more relevance than it is IMHO. 11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: And sorry, *tackles for loss as well for impact plays, So INT, TFL, sacks, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, pass breaks up and batted balls. He had 13 total impact plays combined.... I don't understand how its even possible to have that low of a number for a starting MLB, neverthless for a guy who plays basically every snap. Again, it comes down to how they use Edmunds more than you think, which was the entire point of the post I made you keep responding to. Edited July 31, 2022 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Crazy to think he's only 24 and has had 4 NFL starting seasons under his belt as the defensive signal caller, and 4 straight 100-tackle seasons. Some guys coming out of the draft this year are turning 24 this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, JerseyBills said: I disagree. Because who replaces Edmunds? Beane n Co aren't going to let the QB of a consistent top 5 defense just walk without having a definitive plan at such an important position and I don't see a replacement out there unless they go with a rookie, which is always a risk 1) So you are saying Edmunds has the impact of a franchise QB........but on the defensive side of the ball? That would be very false. He's a signal caller not a QB..........don't use outdated phraseology that makes no sense in the current NFL. MLB's have traditionally mirrored RB's in terms of importance and that really hasn't changed nearly as much as the value of the QB position in the past 20 years. You can't win without a top QB now...........you can win without a top RB or MLB. Proof? Who was the Rams MLB in the SB last January? 2) The Bills were around 18th in the NFL in defense in 2020............so, in fact, they've not been a consistent top 5 defense with Edmunds. Edited July 31, 2022 by BADOLBILZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: People are overrating the importance of Edmunds … the team wouldn’t miss a beat with a plug and play rookie mid round pick at MLB assuming Allen stays healthy and the offense keeps clicking. “QB of the defense” 😅 Maybe offenses might attack the Bills a bit differently without Edmunds but the mistake people make is thinking that such a thing would make their defense the lesser. Prior to the Dareus trade the Bills 2017 defense was playing tremendous football with journeyman quality Preston Brown at MLB. Brown went on the lead the entire NFL in tackles that season. The system is conducive to making an instinctive MLB......which isn't hard to find.......look good. That's why it was troubling when Edmunds didn't make much(any, really) progress after his rookie season. Every season we wonder if the switch is going to come on for him. Maybe it does. But what he's been doing really wouldn't be that difficult to replace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Kaenon said: Crazy to think he's only 24 and has had 4 NFL starting seasons under his belt as the defensive signal caller, and 4 straight 100-tackle seasons. Some guys coming out of the draft this year are turning 24 this year... He's basically a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No disrespect, but I mean you’re giving that more relevance than it is IMHO. Again, it comes down to how they use Edmunds more than you think, which was the entire point of the post I made you keep responding to. Frazier himself even said they need more splash plays from him. It's pretty objective that the guy needs to make more plays and I don't think anyone can really deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Jerry was a helluva player . I remember he either tied or broke JJ Watts record for pressures in a game with 20+ . Kinda sums up his tenure as a Bill. I disagree. Because who replaces Edmunds? Beane n Co aren't going to let the QB of a consistent top 5 defense just walk without having a definitive plan at such an important position and I don't see a replacement out there unless they go with a rookie, which is always a risk They're not afraid to give rookies a starting job in important positions. Especially drafted in the first round. White, Edmunds, Oliver, Rousseau, and now Elam were/are being thrown into the fire their rookie year. . With everyone around the rookie locked up through next year they can get away with someone wet behind the ears. You can also sign a cheaper veteran free agent or promote from within (who knows what they think of the guys behind Oliver on the depth chart). 58 minutes ago, Beerball said: He's basically a rookie. Great. Can we get him four years on the rookie wage scale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Frazier himself even said they need more splash plays from him. It's pretty objective that the guy needs to make more plays and I don't think anyone can really deny that. Im not saying he couldn’t make more or shouldn’t. Im saying the way Edmunds is used is impacting and limiting those kinds of plays. But did Frazier say that he wants more “splash plays” from the defense and you’re just deciding your own narrative that he was really talking about “Edmunds” only, or did Frazier actually say he needs more “splash plays” from specifically Edmunds? I didn’t see the quote, so can you share this where Frazier called out Edmunds directly and for specifically more splash plays? Not calling you out, I legitimately haven’t seen this and would like to read what he said. Mainly because I don’t like how Frazier calls his defense and would like to see what else he had to say that could lead to more aggressive defense this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No disrespect, but I mean you’re giving that more relevance than it is IMHO. That's exactly what I was saying about the PR stuff you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im not saying he couldn’t make more or shouldn’t. Im saying the way Edmunds is used is impacting and limiting those kinds of plays. But did Frazier say that he wants more “splash plays” from the defense and you’re just deciding your own narrative that he was really talking about “Edmunds” only, or did Frazier actually say he needs more “splash plays” from specifically Edmunds? I didn’t see the quote, so can you share this where Frazier called out Edmunds directly and for specifically more splash plays? Not calling you out, I legitimately haven’t seen this and would like to read what he said. Mainly because I don’t like how Frazier calls his defense and would like to see what else he had to say that could lead to more aggressive defense this year. https://buffalowdown.com/2022/06/09/buffalo-bills-hoping-splash-plays-tremaine-edmunds/amp/ yes sir, should be in here^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 8 hours ago, ScottLaw said: People are overrating the importance of Edmunds … the team wouldn’t miss a beat with a plug and play rookie mid round pick at MLB assuming Allen stays healthy and the offense keeps clicking. “QB of the defense” 😅 Couldn't agree more. I know Tremaine has his loyal die hard following, but there's just as many fans like myself who have never been convinced. The fact he hasn't got extended yet speaks volumes. I think this contract season for him will be good but nothing spectacular. He'll do what he always does "taking up defensive space" without any substantial splash plays. I could easily see McB let 49 test the market and someone will overpay. Take whatever $ you would've spent on Edmunds and lock up Ed. McDermott will find a hybrid replacement without spending 14M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Edmunds has been playing for the Bills since he was 9 years old so he’s basically a rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 MLB, Safety, RB. You let those players walk when you’re close to the cap like we are. It’s nothing personal, it’s just business. Some floundering franchise will pay him more than we will be able to and he’s definitely earned that contract, just not from us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: https://buffalowdown.com/2022/06/09/buffalo-bills-hoping-splash-plays-tremaine-edmunds/amp/ yes sir, should be in here^ Thanks! Good read 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
below Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 7/31/2022 at 7:53 AM, JerseyBills said: I disagree. Because who replaces Edmunds? Beane n Co aren't going to let the QB of a consistent top 5 defense just walk without having a definitive plan at such an important position and I don't see a replacement out there unless they go with a rookie, which is always a risk They already drafted his replacement. His name is Terrel Bernard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, below said: They already drafted his replacement. His name is Terrel Bernard. Is he a MLB….or a safety replacement down the road? Either way, I just hope he’s a terrific football player! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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