Dave in Avon Lake now Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Just saw Steelers are paying major money $18.4 per year average with 36 million guaranteed for Minkah Fitzpatrick. How does this affect Poyer negotiations? Don't expect Bills to go that large but it certainly hampers negotiations on a new deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I've been hoping he'll get a Tyrann type deal, but I think this deal just cost us a few mil more than that now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Wrong Fitz. Thought he 'Marcia Bradyed' the league. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Pittsburgh can afford it since they finally got rid of Ole Ben. Paying Mitch Trudbisky, Mason Rudolph and a rookie QB...you can afford a lot. I was really hoping they would let the washed up version play again this year with a big $ contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Click bait! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Fitzpatrick >Poyer Contract has no effect on Poyer situation 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Minkah is also 25 years old and just entering the prime of his career. Poyer is 31. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, noacls said: Fitzpatrick >Poyer Contract has no effect on Poyer situation Incorrect. Yes, Fitzpatrick will be paid more. But if that's the top end, it raises up everyone underneath it. His agent will say "If Fitzpatrick is at this - we need to fall in line at least here" which will be a higher number than it was yesterday. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Hyde’s extension last year was 2 years $19.3 million, so I wouldn’t expect it to be too much more than that. My guess would be around $11 or 12 million per year. 2 minutes ago, H2o said: Minkah is also 25 years old and just entering the prime of his career. Poyer is 31. That’s a huge part of it. Mathieu was 1st team All-Pro in 2019 and 2020, a pro bowler this past year, and only got $11 million per year at 30 years old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Five yard penalty on the OP for false start.... Should be a rule on this board that any post regarding a Fitzpatrick other than Ryan, should require both names in the title. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Hate to say it, but this probably means it's Poyer's last season in Buffalo. Really happy to see him in mandatory OTA's and at this point I'm just praying he doesn't hold out during the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Incorrect. Yes, Fitzpatrick will be paid more. But if that's the top end, it raises up everyone underneath it. His agent will say "If Fitzpatrick is at this - we need to fall in line at least here" which will be a higher number than it was yesterday. It shouldn’t have any affect on a Poyer deal. Poyer will be looking for deals in the 5-10 ranking range. Not #1. $12m-$14m per season. Guaranteed money around $20 million range. I think we’ll see something like 2 year extension for $30 million. $20million guaranteed. That is new money. The 3 year total is 3 years about $40 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It shouldn’t have any affect on a Poyer deal. Poyer will be looking for deals in the 5-10 ranking range. Not #1. $12m-$14m per season. Guaranteed money around $20 million range. I think we’ll see something like 2 year extension for $30 million. $20million guaranteed. That is new money. The 3 year total is 3 years about $40 million. That number would have been based on the top end value of all Safeties before the new top end deal. The market has now been reset. It bumps up every contract underneath it. That's how contracts work in the NFL. It's naive to think a market reset doesn't reset the entire market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Fitz may have gone to Harvard but there’s no way he can play safety in this league! Come on, man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It shouldn’t have any affect on a Poyer deal. Poyer will be looking for deals in the 5-10 ranking range. Not #1. $12m-$14m per season. Guaranteed money around $20 million range. I think we’ll see something like 2 year extension for $30 million. $20million guaranteed. That is new money. The 3 year total is 3 years about $40 million. That’s not correct. The big difference is their ages. But that will impact the length and guarantees of the contract more than the AAV. Poyer won’t hit Fitzpatrick’s AAV, but this contract for a safety with first team All Pro selections in 2019 and 2020 will definitely raise the price of this other safety coming off a first team All Pro selection in 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Five yard penalty on the OP for false start.... Should be a rule on this board that any post regarding a Fitzpatrick other than Ryan, should require both names in the title. If only there was a hero that's been pitching a pinned Fitz thread for years. On 10/11/2020 at 8:46 PM, benderbender said: All Fitz threads. Pin it so we all don’t have to go far to scratch the pining for Fitz itch that’s apparently so pervasive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Hate to say it, but this probably means it's Poyer's last season in Buffalo. Really happy to see him in mandatory OTA's and at this point I'm just praying he doesn't hold out during the regular season. Poyer is a good player. But he is not an all timer the way a lot of people talk about him on here. It would be nice if we can keep him for a couple more years on a reasonable deal. But Beane has to look at the big picture. And his job is not to break the bank for every player on the team. That is not how the NFL works. If Poyer and Drew Rosenhaus are thinking otherwise then he probably won't be here next year. But it would be pretty foolish of him to hold out during a season that we are a very strong Super Bowl contender. I can not imagine he would want to miss out on any of that. Showing up at mandatory mini camp is a good move on his part. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 That's no fun, OP fixed it...(the title) 🙁 * 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said: Just saw Steelers are paying major money $18.4 per year average with 36 million guaranteed for Minkah Fitzpatrick. How does this affect Poyer negotiations? Don't expect Bills to go that large but it certainly hampers negotiations on a new deal. Okay Dave in Avon Lake wearing cement overshoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That number would have been based on the top end value of all Safeties before the new top end deal. The market has now been reset. It bumps up every contract underneath it. That's how contracts work in the NFL. It's naive to think a market reset doesn't reset the entire market. It’s just not a comparable. He’ll slot in below the top contracts. The example I gave is $15 million a year in new money. Slots him right there with the top safeties, just not at the top. Before this contract I figured something around $12 million per year in new money. So I did factor in the bump. He’s signed so the new money would be added on, averaging a little over $13 million per year. That is market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, H2o said: Minkah is also 25 years old and just entering the prime of his career. Poyer is 31. THAT is the biggest difference. Love JP but not at that $. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, Rico said: THAT is the biggest difference. Love JP but not at that $. Losman's making a comeback?! 😳 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Poyer is a good player. But he is not an all timer the way a lot of people talk about him on here. It would be nice if we can keep him for a couple more years on a reasonable deal. But Beane has to look at the big picture. And his job is not to break the bank for every player on the team. That is not how the NFL works. If Poyer and Drew Rosenhaus are thinking otherwise then he probably won't be here next year. But it would be pretty foolish of him to hold out during a season that we are a very strong Super Bowl contender. I can not imagine he would want to miss out on any of that. Showing up at mandatory mini camp is a good move on his part. He’s certainly not an “all-timer” and I don’t think there’s many here saying that he is, as you claim. But he’s definitely at his peak value coming off his first all-pro selection. The only thing working against him is age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 hours ago, noacls said: Fitzpatrick >Poyer Contract has no effect on Poyer situation I’m sure that’s the first thing Poyer’s agent will point out. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 hours ago, noacls said: Fitzpatrick >Poyer Contract has no effect on Poyer situation Whenever the top of the market gets reset it affects everything underneath. You do understand that, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s just not a comparable. He’ll slot in below the top contracts. The example I gave is $15 million a year in new money. Slots him right there with the top safeties, just not at the top. Before this contract I figured something around $12 million per year in new money. So I did factor in the bump. He’s signed so the new money would be added on, averaging a little over $13 million per year. That is market value. I don't get why this is so hard to understand. YES. He will not be slotted at the top alongside Fitzpatrick. But Fitzpatrick raised the top end of Safeties deals. Meaning that those underneath him will also raise higher than they were. This happens at all positions. It's called a market reset. It's why teams lost their mind when they saw what Deshaun Watson got paid. It's why WR numbers got insane, even for the guys that weren't at the top. Even if Poyer wants 65-75% of what Fitzpatrick is being paid - it's still more than 65-75% of what the highest Safety contract was BEFORE Fitzpatrick's deal. To say it has no effect is simply incorrect. Edited June 16, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't get why this is so hard to understand. YES. He will not be slotted at the top alongside Fitzpatrick. But Fitzpatrick raised the top end of Safeties deals. Meaning that those underneath him will also raise higher than they were. This happens at all positions. It's called a market reset. It's why teams lost their mind when they saw what Deshaun Watson got paid. It's why WR numbers got insane, even for the guys that weren't at the top. Even if Poyer wants 65-75% of what Fitzpatrick is being paid - it's still more than 65-75% of what the highest Safety contract was BEFORE Fitzpatrick's deal. To say it has no effect is simply incorrect. Do the math then. There are many contracts to study. What do you believe is Poyer’s market? I’m 100% positive you’ll have the same numbers as me if you know what you’re looking at. Edited June 16, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Do the math then. There are many contracts to study. What do you believe is Poyer’s market? I’m 100% positive you’ll have the same numbers as me if you know what you’re looking at. My post that you replied to was saying that it's incorrect to say Fitzpatrick's deal has zero effect on Poyer. Re-reading your post, you say it's "not comparable". But in the very same post you admit that his number "bumped" from 12 before Fitzpatrick to probably 15 after it. That would be Fitzpatrick's deal having an effect on Poyer, don't you think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: My post that you replied to was saying that it's incorrect to say Fitzpatrick's deal has zero effect on Poyer. Re-reading your post, you say it's "not comparable". But in the very same post you admit that his number "bumped" from 12 before Fitzpatrick to probably 15 after it. That would be Fitzpatrick's deal having an effect on Poyer, don't you think? Let me change the phrasing then. Affect that would be a deal breaker. Poyer is not going to approach that deal. His deal should be much shorter term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Let me change the phrasing then. Affect that would be a deal breaker. Poyer is not going to approach that deal. His deal should be much shorter term. Well no one was saying the Minkah deal would end up as a Poyer “dealbreaker,” and no one was saying he would get a similar term. It’s affects what Poyer and his people would ask for. That’s it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Let me change the phrasing then. Affect that would be a deal breaker. Poyer is not going to approach that deal. His deal should be much shorter term. I never said this means it wouldn't get done. I simply said this notion that it doesn't effect anything in terms of the negotiations and numbers is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That number would have been based on the top end value of all Safeties before the new top end deal. The market has now been reset. It bumps up every contract underneath it. That's how contracts work in the NFL. It's naive to think a market reset doesn't reset the entire market. The bumps up come mostly at the high end of the market. Market resets have less effect the farther down from the top few you go. It will certainly affect what Poyer's agents are asking. No question. Will it mean much of a jump for the aging Poyer? IMO it's not that clear. And if Poyer insists on a major jump, I'd guess that will really lower the likelihood he spends 2023 in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 hours ago, gobills404 said: Hyde’s extension last year was 2 years $19.3 million, so I wouldn’t expect it to be too much more than that. My guess would be around $11 or 12 million per year. That’s a huge part of it. Mathieu was 1st team All-Pro in 2019 and 2020, a pro bowler this past year, and only got $11 million per year at 30 years old. But…. but…. Poyer was maybe the only Bills defender with impressive stats across the board…. He was all alone as our second leading tackler… 3 sacks, 5 ints, 9PD, 8 TFL, Hyde had 5 ints too but less everything else…. Though I think Hyde plays deep more often… They’re both really good… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Whenever the top of the market gets reset it affects everything underneath. You do understand that, right? Then let him walk. He got run over by Watson in the playoffs and took horrible angle on Hill to lose that playoff game. Of course I understand that Mrs. Bush Brown Poyer Edited June 16, 2022 by noacls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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