Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[TheBrownBear]

I've been one to sort of reserve judgment and watch this from a distance with curiosity as to how it would all play out.  But I finally watched the Real Sports segment last night and Ms. Solis came across as HIGHLY BELIEVABLE and clearly exhibiting the behaviors of someone who was suffering from serious emotional trauma.  After watching that I'm not sure how anyone could come away thinking that Deshaun Watson did not cross the line and do something seriously wrong during his interactions with Ms. Solis.  I don't remember much from Crim Law, but it would seem some of his alleged behavior waded into actual sexual assault territory.  I would not be shocked by a Trevor Bauer length suspension at this point.

 

Edit:  Also, if you value your humanity, do not click the link to the Cleveland Browns fan forum thread.  It's the most disgusting thing I've read in quite some time.  

Edited June 1, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

I've been one to sort of reserve judgment and watch this from a distance with curiosity as to how it would all play out.  But I finally watched the Real Sports segment last night and Ms. Solis came across as HIGHLY BELIEVABLE and clearly exhibiting the behaviors of someone who was suffering from serious emotional trauma.  After watching that I'm not sure how anyone could come away thinking that Deshaun Watson did not cross the line and do something seriously wrong during his interactions with Ms. Solis.  I don't remember much from Crim Law, but it would seem some of his alleged behavior waded into actual sexual assault territory.  I would not be shocked by a Trevor Bauer length suspension at this point.

I will tell you what. I stayed at a motel 8 last night and watched the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case, I agree with this statement.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

And exactly what actual facts does the NFL personal conduct policy have to work with to levy punishment?

 

Okay I see this is your first time wading into the discussion. Do a little research. Not gonna do all the work for you. Watch Ashley Solis's interview and tell me truthfully if you believe her or not. Then consider that 20+ other women are accusing him of the same thing.

 

For Watson to be totally innocent, three things have to be true:

 

1) Ashley Solis is one of the greatest actresses in the world.

2) 20+ women are all lying about the same thing.

3) Deshaun Watson pursued dozens of massage therapists all over Houston for totally innocent reasons.

 

I've decided it is plainly ridiculous that all 3 of those statements can be true. I'll take the simple explanation - Watson is a predator that put women into vulnerable situations and took advantage of them. That's the only explanation that makes any logical sense in light of everything we know about the case.

[AuntieEm]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

She said last year that she didn’t want her name out there publically, which was required for the civil cases by the defense, but decided to move forward. 

 

  And it's because Watson is denying anything improper occurred.  No witnesses besides Watson and each of the women.  I myself just wonder why they didn't insist on a 3rd party to be in the room or at very least I'd think one of them would have thought to set up a video camera and when he demands a NDA signed I'd have told him only if you sign this release for the video I have of our session.  Heck I'd have put in fine print that the session may be recorded on a billing statement he would need to sign for the session.  I doubt he'd have bothered reading that fine print and would just signed to get his party started as he would have expected if he was doing these acts.  Then let him deny what you have video proof of.   

 

 

 

 

  

Edited June 1, 2022 by AuntieEm

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Okay I see this is your first time wading into the discussion. Do a little research. Not gonna do all the work for you. Watch Ashley Solis's interview and tell me truthfully if you believe her or not. Then consider that 20+ other women are accusing him of the same thing.

 

For Watson to be totally innocent, three things have to be true:

 

1) Ashley Solis is one of the greatest actresses in the world.

2) 20+ women are all lying about the same thing.

3) Deshaun Watson pursued dozens of massage therapists all over Houston for totally innocent reasons.

 

I've decided it is plainly ridiculous that all 3 of those statements can be true. I'll take the simple explanation - Watson is a predator that put women into vulnerable situations and took advantage of them. That's the only explanation that makes any logical sense in light of everything we know about the case.

4)Those 20+ women have somehow held to that story for over a year.

[eball]

I really wonder how Watson's teammates feel about him...if they had to be honest.  Unfortunately, we won't know until he is out of the league.  There are a lot of dollars being paid to keep them quiet...for now.

[AuntieEm]

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

I will tell you what. I stayed at a motel 8 last night and watched the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard case, I agree with this statement.

 

   Now in the Depp/Heard case the abuser was Amber even her video proof she recorded trying to bait Johnny into retaliating to catch on her videos only showed him slamming cabinets and basically just trying to get awa,y from her while she mocks him to tell the world he's abused because she knows it's difficult to get people to believe a man is abused.  

 

   Now could Johnny be acting and hiding an abusive  personality?  He's such a good actor that yes he could pull off such a performance I have no doubt.  However,  if he has such control over his abusive behavior than he'd be just shy of the devil incarnate himself brimming with evil that it would have manifested in one of the videos where Amber is trying to trigger such a response.   And if he were that diabolical I guarantee that Amber Heard would have been 6 feet under because as Amber herself claims he's such a powerful guy with his money and fame.

 

   I read a comment from someone where they stated they had injuries to their face that were from a young child under 2 or 3 yrs who struck his mother while he slept with her  which caused black eyes that no makeup could conceal and this was just a weak little child would be a miniscule amount of force compared to what force Depp would be capable of not to mention the heavy rings he always wears and all the marks she has are like nothing even close to what battered women suffer.  That case is an example of an attempted money grab.   It's that or Depp is the most considerate abuser in that he can strike with sufficient forcevto cause terror but very little damage to his target.  Maybe if he was Bruce Lee I'd believe he has that level of control to his hitting.  All his tendencies to run from his abuser is consistent with other abuse survivors.  It actually was probably in a twisted way a very good gift he gained from the abuse he grew up with from his mother and watching his father never responding to her abuse with any physical retaliation.   

 

   And then Amber Heard is claiming she's so afraid of this man that she's constantly running after him and even mocking him on her own videos.  So she overcomes her fear to chase after him time and again like no DV victim would do.  They are looking to get away from their abusers.  She should have had some secret video cameras

installed when she had the locks to the penthouses changed its not like she couldnt afford some very stealth sophisticated cameras to capture the abuse.  She maybe dismissed that as she knows she's the abuser and wanted to get him riled up after seeing her lame attempts to hide the phones she used to record with.  Her childhood she grew up helping her dad at his dog fighting ring which is a breeding ground for psychopathic lack of empathy.  I'd wager that Amber likely did abuse some of the dogs when she was young.  She does the opposite of what most dv victims exhibit when she's constantly and looking at him in court and when she claimed he couldn't look at her it came across to me like she was trying to flip the fact that she no longer has any power over him to almost claiming he can't look at her because she's in the right and he's guilty and can't face his guilt when he looks at her.  She tries to gain sympathy by claiming there have been threats made to her daughter and she feels his powerful influence is the cause.

I see a narcissist whom I'd be wary of her trying to frame an injury to her daughter that she actually inflicts.  Because I do see she's gonna react badly to the lack of support she is convinced she is entitled to just because she's a woman.  

 

 

  Just read that the jury found in depps favor.   Johnny's response is very well stated that the truth was what he was after not any money which he certainly does not need as he's actually invested well in real estate and now he'll likely command his top actor pay for any future roles he chooses to accept I imagine he will have tons.  I like that he's hoping a result is  getting back to innocent before guilty for all men and women alike in the justice system and the court of public opinion.  Empathy and concern for others welfare are not a mark of an abusive personality.  And I know he's a top notch actor but no one can mask a flaw nonstop under the media scrutiny he's subjected to just because he's Johnny Depp.  

 

   And Amber is still exaggerating and twisting the truth with her mountains of evidence being overlooked.   It's cause the evidence doesn't match your story.  There are real DV victims that have real injuries including being paralyzed or killed by their abusers.  News flash  quantity of evidence doesn't equate to quality of evidence.  

 If there had been quality evidence Depp would have faced criminal charges.  

Edited June 1, 2022 by AuntieEm

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

And exactly what actual facts does the NFL personal conduct policy have to work with to levy punishment? No criminal charges, no evidence other than believe the woman scenario. 

 

I don't see how they can hand out a suspension with zero actual evidence.

 

The personal conduct policy is not held to a beyond reasonable doubt standard. Circumstancial evidence is sufficient for the Commissioner to levy a penalty as long as the independent disciplinary officer decides Watson does have a case to answer. 

 

We know the commissioner has wide but not boundless discretion - that is established by the case law in the deflategate case. He would basically have to act irrationally to be outside the scope of the policy. I suspect a lifetime ban on the basis of circumstancial evidence might test that threshold, but it wouldn't be a slam dunk even then. A 1-2 year suspension I think is clearly within the bounds of reasonableness. My guess is 1 year but no contact at all with anyone from the team, no access to the facility, a complete and total 1 year ban, possibly with a second year suspended.

 

And I share a lot of your general concern about the court of public opinion and people substituting "what I think" for what the court found which I am profoundly concerned has wider implications for western democratic justice systems as someone who has worked in that field for the majority of my career. I have articulated that view on this topic before and don't propose to re-hash it. I also promote that view on an almost daily basis within the UK Government.

 

But that is different than what the NFL Personal Conduct Policy is. That is a proper investigation and a balancing of the evidence, just one not held to the same standard as a criminal court (nor should it be). The NFL is completely within its rights to investigate Watson and the Commissioner has broad discretion over the sanction he will face.

[Rico]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I've been one to sort of reserve judgment and watch this from a distance with curiosity as to how it would all play out.  But I finally watched the Real Sports segment last night and Ms. Solis came across as HIGHLY BELIEVABLE and clearly exhibiting the behaviors of someone who was suffering from serious emotional trauma.  After watching that I'm not sure how anyone could come away thinking that Deshaun Watson did not cross the line and do something seriously wrong during his interactions with Ms. Solis.  I don't remember much from Crim Law, but it would seem some of his alleged behavior waded into actual sexual assault territory.  I would not be shocked by a Trevor Bauer length suspension at this point.

 

Edit:  Also, if you value your humanity, do not click the link to the Cleveland Browns fan forum thread.  It's the most disgusting thing I've read in quite some time.  

Where's the link? I don't see it.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

 

Wow, I just don't see more than a half season ban. And even then, I think the severity of the ban is due to the high number of accusers. How do we know this lawyer didn't take a small handfull of legitimate complaints, go out and find every massage therapist who ever worked on Watson and asked them if they wanted a shot at free money? I would not put it past a lawyer to try this in the era of meetoo.

and that'd only be worth half a season?

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The 23rd plaintiff is seeking the minimum compensation. She just wants Watson to be held accountable. What's your excuse now?

 

Also it isn't about believing all 23 women. If even 1 is telling the truth he should be punished. Did you watch Ashley Solis's interview?

I'm just saying, even if something only happened with 10 of these women, as soon as some women say something, more can follow and the women of course will always get the benefit of the doubt because the man has already been accused. So no matter what Watson says, any woman that comes out from here forward is gonna be believed and they know that. It gives them a better opportunity of being compensated even if nothing happened because of Watson's reputation already. I refuse to believe something happened with all these women and I would bet that is the case

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Wow, I just don't see more than a half season ban. And even then, I think the severity of the ban is due to the high number of accusers. How do we know this lawyer didn't take a small handfull of legitimate complaints, go out and find every massage therapist who ever worked on Watson and asked them if they wanted a shot at free money? I would not put it past a lawyer to try this in the era of meetoo.

 

How do we know? We don't know. The point is that the personal conduct policy doesn't mean the NFL needs to know. It just has to consider the balance of probabilities and it is more probable than not based on what is in the public domain (and obviously the NFL investigation will likely have some evidence not in the public domain) that Watson has infringed the policy. 

 

I disagree totally with your last point. It hasn't got anything to do with #metoo or any kind of presumption in favour of women. Though I would say that the fact that the lawyer for the women has made this a trial by public opinion from the start is just an example of my concern about how the justice system stands up to its objective function in a world where it is being buffeted by outside influences that never existed to this extent before. Evidence should be tested in court rooms not tv interviews.

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I refuse to believe something happened with all these women and I would bet that is the case

 

This is a straw man. No one is saying that all of the women are telling the truth unconditionally. I think it likely that at least one is using this as a cash grab opportunity just based on the numbers, although I'm in no position to judge each individual case. I am however also extremely confident that Watson is a predator and took advantage of a lot of massage therapists. If you agree that he took advantage of even one of these women then presumably you agree he should be punished by the NFL.

[RocCityRoller]

3 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  And it's because Watson is denying anything improper occurred.  No witnesses besides Watson and each of the women.  I myself just wonder why they didn't insist on a 3rd party to be in the room or at very least I'd think one of them would have thought to set up a video camera and when he demands a NDA signed I'd have told him only if you sign this release for the video I have of our session.  Heck I'd have put in fine print that the session may be recorded on a billing statement he would need to sign for the session.  I doubt he'd have bothered reading that fine print and would just signed to get his party started as he would have expected if he was doing these acts.  Then let him deny what you have video proof of.  

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

[AuntieEm]

10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

It's still he said she said with no actual proof myself I'd have saved the towel used to clean up when he ***** in the cases he did so.  Then let it be tested for DNA and hear his explanation as to how it got there.

[Buffalo03]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a straw man. No one is saying that all of the women are telling the truth unconditionally. I think it likely that at least one is using this as a cash grab opportunity just based on the numbers, although I'm in no position to judge each individual case. I am however also extremely confident that Watson is a predator and took advantage of a lot of massage therapists. If you agree that he took advantage of even one of these women then presumably you agree he should be punished by the NFL.

I believe it is possible. However it's all he said, she said. I'm not taking one side or the other

[RocCityRoller]

10 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

It's still he said she said with no actual proof myself I'd have saved the towel used to clean up when he ***** in the cases he did so.  Then let it be tested for DNA and hear his explanation as to how it got there.

 

That is a level of proof needed for a criminal case, not a civil case.

 

If a Professional asked for a 3rd party and it was denied, or a recorded session and was denied then one has to ask why?

 

This situation and others will probably lead to more 3rd parties present or recordings required in the future.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

However it's all he said, she said. I'm not taking one side or the other

 

But that's patently ridiculous. Juries are tasked with judging witness credibility all the time. You're allowed to make judgments. Go watch the Ashley Solis interview and see if you believe her. I find her much, much more credible than Deshaun Watson. Her testimony combined with the number of other women saying the same thing is more than enough evidence for me.

[Buffalo03]

55 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

All good points and logical. Is it possible some women did require a 3rd party or video and Watson refused to hire them?

 

If a massage therapist or two came out and verified this, would the opinions here on TBD change?

If Watson refused a 3rd party then they don't need to do the service. No one forced these women to be there. Quite frankly, if Watson did deny a 3rd party being there, I would think it would have been enough of a red flag to the women to not go through with it

Edited June 2, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But that's patently ridiculous. Juries are tasked with judging witness credibility all the time. You're allowed to make judgments. Go watch the Ashley Solis interview and see if you believe her. I find her much, much more credible than Deshaun Watson. Her testimony combined with the number of other women saying the same thing is more than enough evidence for me.

I'm not on the jury so I don't have to make that decision. I'm not taking a side on these cases. People everywhere believe women are angels. Tons of women are materialistic and they don't care. I am not gonna believe some women in these cases. Even Ashley Solis

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/01/houston-spa-owner-testifies-that-deshaun-watson-paid-her-5000-because-hes-a-nice-person/ 

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/01/houston-spa-owner-testifies-that-deshaun-watson-paid-her-5000-because-hes-a-nice-person/ 

 

Quote

Footnote 4 to the petition filed by Nia Smith points out that Louis invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination when asked about text messages she exchanged with Watson. Smith’s lawsuit includes text messages from Louis in which she says Watson gave her $5,000, and “I told you I’ll show you how to get money from men that’s my specialty.”

I'm amazed they didn't just come out and admit to being an accessory to a sex offender.

[BuffaloBills1998]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

I'm amazed they didn't just come out and admit to being an accessory to a sex offender.

I think more ***** is coming out and their might be some more people besides Watson that’ll get in trouble. 

[RocCityRoller]

52 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

If Watson denied it then they don't need to do the service. No one forced these women to be there. Quite frankly, if Watson did deny a 3rd party being there, I would think it would have been enough of a red flag to the women to not go through with it

 

I'm one of the last to 'believe all women' or '#metoo' for many reasons.

But let's ask a few common sense questions.

 

Apparently none of these 22-23 women did require a 3rd party or a recording since none exist.

Watson only hired women who were not savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation.

That is the point. They put themself in a bad situation. That does not permit sexual misconduct, nor excuse it.

If Watson denied hiring therapists who required documentation or a chaperone, that would look really bad in a Civil suit.

Why not? What was expected? We don't know if that happened or not, but it should be a question that is asked.

Who did Watson reject, when hiring these specific women and why?

 

A question.

Where are the male massage professionals? Why was no male hired?

Are there no licensed male massage therapists in Houston?

If this was a 'recovery treatment', and all supposed to be above board, why was a male never hired?

Certainly a man could have done a stronger, deeper muscle relaxation if that is what was expected.

Why didn't Watson hire any male therapists?

 

Another Question:

Why did Watson not use the Texans vetted and approved massage therapists, on the company premises?

The therapy was offered at the facility free of charge, by vetted therapists, why not use it?

Why did Watson need to go private and offsite?

 

Another Question:

If everything worked out well in a session, why didn't Watson continue to see the same therapist?

Why was there no repeat business?

If I am a licensed massage therapist, and I hook a professional athlete, I would keep that repeat business and advertise it.

It is good pay, and is great advertising. "I am June Mayfield, licensed massage therapist for Deshaun Watson of the Houston Texans."

None of these women did that. Why not?

Why did none of the women advertise or market their experience with Watson?

 

So Watson only hired females, not in the Texans network, off Texans premises, who were naive enough to think this was a professional setting and require no backup or documentation, and had no repeat business with a superstar athlete....

 

This is your stance?

 

Not predatory behavior at all in your eyes. 🤔

Edited June 2, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[HappyDays]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I am not gonna believe some women in these cases. Even Ashley Solis

 

Right. So you watched her interview then? Or you're willing to make judgments without hearing her side?

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I'm one of the last to 'believe all women' or '#metoo' for many reasons.

But let's ask a few common sense questions.

 

Apparently none of these 22-23 women did require a 3rd party or a recording since none exist.

Watson only hired women who were not savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation.

That is the point. They put themself in a bad situation. That does not permit sexual misconduct, nor excuse it.

If Watson denied hiring therapists who required documentation or a chaperone, that would look really bad in a Civil suit.

Why not? What was expected? We don't know if that happened or not, but it should be a question that is asked.

Who did Watson reject, when hiring these specific women and why?

 

A question.

Where are the male massage professionals? Why was no male hired?

Are there no licensed male massage therapists in Houston?

If this was a 'recovery treatment', and all supposed to be above board, why was a male never hired?

Certainly a man could have done a stronger, deeper muscle relaxation if that is what was expected.

Why didn't Watson hire any male therapists?

 

Another Question:

Why did Watson not use the Texans vetted and approved massage therapists, on the company premises?

The therapy was offered at the facility free of charge, by vetted therapists, why not use it?

Why did Watson need to go private and offsite?

 

Another Question:

If everything worked out well in a session, why didn't Watson continue to see the same therapist?

Why was there no repeat business?

If I am a licensed massage therapist, and I hook a professional athlete, I would keep that repeat business and advertise it.

It is good pay, and is great advertising. "I am June Mayfield, licensed massage therapist for Deshaun Watson of the Houston Texans."

None of these women did that. Why not?

Why did one of the women advertise or market their experience with Watson?

 

So Watson only hired females, not in the Texans network, off Texans premises, who were naive enough to think this was a professional setting and require no backup or documentation, and had no repeat business with a superstar athlete....

 

This is your stance?

 

Not predatory behavior at all in your eyes. 🤔

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right. So you watched her interview then? Or you're willing to make judgments without hearing her side?

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

What like a sweater or something?

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

What like a sweater or something?

No

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

 

Cool. You're willing to take a side without even watching her talk about her experience. Clearly there are some other issues going on here so I'm gonna let this one go.

[YoloinOhio]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

You did take a side. Just own it.

[RocCityRoller]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

 

I appreciate how you ignored every other question I asked you.

 

On the first question, this is your stance? You don't understand how this could happen?

 

Here is the call: (Smart girl not hired)

Watson's agent or Watson: "Hi I see your ad for private deep tissue massage. My client is a professional athlete who needs the services of a licensed massage therapist, do you do private onsite treatments?"

Therapist: "Hi, yes I do, I am a licensed massage therapist in Texas, and am willing do private treatments."

WA or W: "Good, we are looking for the whole package, a full massage."

Therapist: "I have a professional location, or can meet a client onsite for discretion since he is a professional athlete."

WA or W: "We need a discreet session, onsite."

Therapist: "Ok, for an onsite massage I require a chaperone or a video recording of the session to document the treatment."

WA or W: " I understand, why do you need that?

Therapist: "Mostly for insurance and tax reasons."

WA or W: "I see, what is your rate?"

Therapist: "My rate is $100 per hour, I have many clients who will vouch for me."

WA or W: "Ok very good, so you will come out, require a chaperone or a video recording, and charge my client $100 an hour?"

Therapist: "Yes sir, when can I book your client?"

WA or W: "We are shopping around at the moment, I'll get back to you later."

 

Not that complicated. Not hired = no evidence.

 

VS

 

Here is the call: (Naive therapist)

Watson's agent or Watson: "Hi I see your ad for private deep tissue massage. My client is a professional athlete who needs the services of a licensed massage therapist, do you do private onsite treatments?"

Therapist: "Hi, yes I do, I am a licensed massage therapist in Texas, and am willing do private treatments."

WA or W: "Good, we are looking for the whole package, a full massage."

Therapist: "I have a professional location, or can meet a client onsite for discretion since he is a professional athlete."

WA or W: "We need a discreet session, onsite"

Therapist: "Ok, I understand, he is probably famous."

WA or W: " He is, so this has to be private."

Therapist: "I understand, I am willing to travel."

WA or W: "Good, what is your rate?"

Therapist: "My rate is $100 per hour, I have many clients who will vouch for me."

WA or W: "Ok very good, so you will come out, be discreet, and charge $100 an hour?"

Therapist: "Yes sir, that is correct, when can I book your client?"

WA or W: "Next week on Tuesday."

 

You don't see the difference?

Edited June 2, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Yep. And people need to realize the court of public opinion is not how our justice system works. The high percentage of people condemning the man based on hersay all the while it was decided that criminal charges would not be brought (likey because the cases are very weak he said/she said), is disturbing.  Our society is in disarray due to online movements.

 

"Believe all Women" is as silly a notion as "Believe all Men".

Believe 23 women

 

or 

 

Believe 1 man

 

 

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

How would Watson know if the women he hired weren't savvy enough to require that level of safety or documentation? That's a lot of going out of your way to find that out. I'm not saying nothing happened but I refuse all 23 are telling the truth

I don't care what her side says. When a woman is sewing a millionaire, I am not gonna fully believe everything they say. Like I said, women are very materialistic people, I'm not taking a side

 

   Lol your bias is showing you're labeling all women as materialistic.  I can think of a number of examples that proves its wrong.  Do you agree with this premise -  if a person (any gender) is caught lying to you will you believe everything they say after you catch them lying?  Or will you naturally weigh the likelihood what they claim is based on truth or could be another lie?

 

   Tell me do you also believe the victims of the racist tops shooter weren't savvy enough to take shelter the moment they saw a white man in camo and weilding a gun so they are partially responsible for their slaughter?

 

    That being said there certainly are a portion of people (of any gender) who are indeed materialistic and willing to trade sexual services for pay.  They are called prostitutes.  And he's a wealthy enough athlete he could certainly find one that possessed sufficient skill to accommodate his massage preferences including the anus allegation, they may charge extra for it but he'd get what he paid for.

 

  But by deliberately seeking out just normal therapists to prey on and 23 different women have charged similar abuse.  From what I've read he's used 50 different therapists over a 2 year span so a session every 2 weeks  give or take on avg.  He's the one insisting on no third party present.  If he was as innocent as he claims and you must believe  wouldn't it be wise to have the witness to verify nothing did happen during the session?   If you are innocent but accused of something would you not want a witness to prove you weren't committing these acts?  

 

 

 

 

   

 

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[AuntieEm]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

Here in Portland, if you are “houseless”, you can do anything short of first degree murder without any consequences…exposing yourself in public would not even garner a second look from most passersby…

 

   Ok there's is a matter of mental health problems people suffer when they become homeless  no matter how they arrived at that point.  I can certainly understand a person that's ostracized from society when they become homeless and also there can be nutrient deficiencies that can cause brain chemical imbalances that are linked with depression. 

   

   I've also recognized that there's likely some damage to his brains impulse control in his frontal lobe.  Doesn't absolve him of guilt if there is a medical reason he's acting out as he is alleged to be. 

 

   So the locals of Portland seem to just accepting there are people with mental issues that act out in various inappropriate ways.  I'd think it was more overwhelmed by the number of homeless suffering some type of mental issues than accepting it  as the new normal standard of behavior.

 

 

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[Big Blitz]

9 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

So now a 23rd woman decides to file suit this far into the process and people actually believe ALL these women? People might say "she could have been afraid to come out about it" but 22 women already said something, so what would she have been afraid of? This late in the game says it's about money to me 

 

 

He said one of them cried....it was that bad. 

 

Yes.  In this case I believe the women.  

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

And exactly what actual facts does the NFL personal conduct policy have to work with to levy punishment? No criminal charges, no evidence other than believe the woman scenario. 

 

I don't see how they can hand out a suspension with zero actual evidence.

 

 

So I omitted from your quote the effing comparison you make between sexual assault victims (accusers...and don't forget that this is civil court, not criminal) and "alien abduction" victims?! But then I thought better, as obviously it warrants further attention. Gross. Be better.

 

But this bolded portion above really is the mess that drew me in originally. So criminal charges are on par with actual evidence? And...at the same time, victim testimony is NOT? "Believe the woman scenario"? I don't suffer well such misogyny. Small D energy in such a post.

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Women have evolved to manipulate to get their way, this includes spreading lies to garner favorable opinions via gossip. Amber Heard wrote a story that was "stunning and brave", that a lot of people belived, so much so that Depp was severley punished losing work. Turns out that story was crap. Think Disney will give Depp his Pirates role back? Nope, character assasination has already taken place.

 

These women have the burden of proof in this. They need to show more proof than just verbal stories IMO.

 

NFL can do what they want, but they will be punishing via hersay and no factual evidence like audio/video. 

I mean, this goes for a lot of people. Not just women.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

But primarily so, it has been their counter to physicallity for millenia.

 

And yes, with the advent of social media, more humans than ever engage, including many men, as they no longer feel the threat of violence to their person as consequence. This is why social media has been such a cancer to society.

You are out there right now, man. I do share your dislike for social media, though...no matter how many Bills-related video clips it provides me.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

You are out there right now, man. I do share your dislike for social media, though...no matter how many Bills-related video clips it provides me.

 

Agree he started with a genuine point about the risks of trial by social media mob culture. Unfortunately where he has ended up is somewhere else. 

[Behindenemylines]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

What like a sweater or something?

Darn you beat me too it.