Racially motivated murder at Tops

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, 716er said:

This forum is full of replacement theory. It’s a shame.

 

 

Where?

 

Nowhere.  

 

But this board is full of posts by conservatives touting how "red pilled" the minority vote is becoming - and why they should.  

 

Where is the white Nationalism?

 

Have a border?  Is that white Nationalism?  Oh my bad yes, it obviously is.  Ban CRT because it's anti American and Communist?  Oh absolutely.  

[KDIGGZ]

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Well, for one (and at top of mind), mass shootings would be far less severe.

That nutjob could go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people easy.  Most pumps are 5+1 and then pretty quick to reload.  I don't see how that would solve anything unfortunately, especially what happened in this situation

[Demongyz]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

That nutjob could go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people easy.  Most pumps are 5+1 and then pretty quick to reload.  I don't see how that would solve anything unfortunately, especially what happened in this situation

Perhaps we should get rid of lever action as well.  Not much slower than semi-auto.

Henry rifle "Load on Sunday shoot all week"

Lots of ammo in a Henry

 

Banning semi-autos is not going to fix a thing.

 

 

[Gugny]

30 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I think banning semi-autos is not a realistic outcome.  I think other things can be done like needing to take training courses, proving you are not a physical threat by keeping a clean criminal record, ongoing education, common sense laws around background checks and waiting periods, registration, etc.  Banning this or that is too extreme and will just cause division between both sides.  I think there is middle ground but how can we get there if one side is saying ban and the other side is saying no?  Sounds like we are still pretty far apart

 

I agree that banning semi-automatic weapons is a bit of a pipe dream, but I do believe it's what is necessary.

 

And (this is not pointed toward you) to all the people who like to beat the "CRIMINALS ARE GONNA GET THESE WEAPONS EVEN IF THEY'RE ILLEGAL" drum ... no effin sh!t.  We all know that.  But it's too goddamn easy for any joe schmo to purchase one.

 

Mental illness is one of .. if not the .. biggest plagues our nation faces.  And it's also not being addressed properly.  Background checks need to be extensive.  Applicants' social media activity needs to be reviewed/monitored.  As you mentioned, waiting times need to be be appropriately long.

 

There is so much more that can be done if these weapons continue to be available to the general public.

 

But I will always maintain that eliminating them is the answer. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Gugny

[Niagara Bill]

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

That nutjob could go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people easy.  Most pumps are 5+1 and then pretty quick to reload.  I don't see how that would solve anything unfortunately, especially what happened in this situation

The gun type is about power, and hate, and spells success for these nuts.

Your simple view is ridiculous, and fails to even consider reality.

Russia can kill Ukrainians with hand guns, but they are much bolder with powerful weapons, n-bombs, chems, tanks etc

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

The gun type is about power, and hate, and spells success for these nuts.

Your simple view is ridiculous, and fails to even consider reality.

Russia can kill Ukrainians with hand guns, but they are much bolder with powerful weapons, n-bombs, chems, tanks etc

I'm not sure I get your point. Russians don't kill Ukrainians with handguns because close quarters combat is not an ideal attack strategy during an invasion. If you want to limit casualties you will bomb from a distance and then only after the threat is mostly eliminated will you send in ground troops to secure the area. I don't think it has anything to do with power or boldness it's just military strategy. If this guy wanted to kill minorities he would do it with a pump shotgun, a car, a sword, a baseball bat, a knife, whatever he could get his hands on. His AR-15 was already banned by NY state and that clearly didn't stop him

[Demongyz]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

The gun type is about power, and hate, and spells success for these nuts.

Your simple view is ridiculous, and fails to even consider reality.

Russia can kill Ukrainians with hand guns, but they are much bolder with powerful weapons, n-bombs, chems, tanks etc

If Ukraine didn't give up their nukes, do you think Russia would have crossed the border?

 

I think not.

 

Now we should all give up our guns?

[Albwan]

47 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

There are a lot of political movements based on the color of skin.  I think everyone should be able to own guns until they shouldn't.

 

This says a lot about me, where I don't give a ***** about color, I care about the health of the nation.  The nation is sick.

Go somewhere else. plenty of illegals will fill your spot graciously, ya whiner.

[ArdmoreRyno]

20 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

The gun type is about power, and hate, and spells success for these nuts.

Your simple view is ridiculous, and fails to even consider reality.

Russia can kill Ukrainians with hand guns, but they are much bolder with powerful weapons, n-bombs, chems, tanks etc

Russians are killing Ukrainians with handguns? What? lol 

 

and he’s 100% right. A Mossberg 500 with 00 shot would do more damage than an AR in a room. 

[Demongyz]

2 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Go somewhere else. plenty of illegals will fill your spot graciously, ya whiner.

I work with lots of undocumented immigrants.

 

that's not what I'm talking about

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Russians are killing Ukrainians with handguns? What? lol 

 

and he’s 100% right. A Mossberg 500 with 00 shot would do more damage than an AR in a room. 

i think people watch too many movies where they think a clean shot with .223 will automatically kill someone.  a smaller high powered round like that will go right through you and not hit any major organs and 10 seconds later you will be like why am i bleeding?  did i get shot?  lol.  hit someone with some buck shot in close range and you will have a closed casket for sure.  now which one is the "assault weapon?"

[ArdmoreRyno]

18 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

i think people watch too many movies where they think a clean shot with .223 will automatically kill someone.  a smaller high powered round like that will go right through you and not hit any major organs and 10 seconds later you will be like why am i bleeding?  did i get shot?  lol.  hit someone with some buck shot in close range and you will have a closed casket for sure.  now which one is the "assault weapon?"

You mean the subway station in John Wick 2 where they’re shootings at each other with suppressors and no one blinks due to ZERO noise... it’s not true? 

 

lol

 

The same people who think movie guns are real life are the ones who want bans on things like silencers. 
 

 

[TH3]

6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Firearm advocate here. The problem is that if you give an inch they take a mile and neither side trusts each other. Most people are for common sense laws like background checks and waiting periods. The problem is that it doesn't stop there. They have already said they want to ban certain types of guns which by law would then give precedent to ban all guns. The 2nd amendment was put in place for a reason. The government works for us, not the other way around. Government should fear a strongly armed militia and it's supposed to be a balance of power. You want to give the government all of the power? How do you know they will do the right thing when history shows otherwise? This kid had mental problems clearly. Maybe focus on that. A gun is just a tool. A crazy person can do just as much or more damage with a bomb which is much easier to get than a gun

The concept that 2A was put in place to let citizens rise up against their government at some point is a myth.

[KDIGGZ]

Just now, ArdmoreRyno said:

You mean the subway station in John Wick 2 where they’re shootings at each other with suppressors and no one blinks due to ZERO noise... it’s not true? 

 

lol

 

The same people who think movie guns are real life are the ones who want bans on things like silencers. 
 

I was shocked when I was a kid when I found out if you punch someone they don't lie on the ground unconscious for 20 minutes.  Now I can't watch John Wick or Fast and Furious movies anymore without saying "oh come on!!!"  It's tough getting old

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, TH3 said:

The concept that 2A was put in place to let citizens rise up against their government at some point is a myth.

how so?

 

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

 

seems pretty straightforward to me.  i think there is a myth that 2A supports creation of independent armed militias where as the term "militia" was used to refer to all armed citizens.  is that what you are referring to?  but 2A definitely was put in place as a check and balance of power.  the colonies were fighting the greatest army in the world at the time.  they wanted their new government to be a government by the people and for the people, not one that the citizens would fear.  a balance of power is crucial to a functioning democracy

[muppy]

I've read this and the off the wall thread and this is an observation and reply to  @extrahammer who stated this 

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Yeah let's not pretend there hasn't been a rise in these cases and we actually care about it when nothing gets done. Both sides will politick the hell out of this and we will be lucky if there are any real solutions. 

 

I think people actually DO care an want to see these attacks stop but the gun lobbies are so strong and pushback from them  make any changes in laws very difficult. The part I bolded I agree with.  I read this clutching their pearls errrr  Guns  "but they want to take ALL our guns if we give even an inch"  "if we give an inch they will take a  mile.  This is the part that frustrates me so.  Because I don't buy it. To me this is a rote reply to ANY talk of change that stonewalls any meaningful discourse /change between he opposing sides.

 

AS IF there would ever be a law taking all guns away PLEASE @-@ 

Edited May 17, 2022 by muppy

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

I've read this and the off the wall thread and this is an observation and reply to  @extrahammer who stated this 

 

I think people actually DO care an want to see these attacks stop but the gun lobbies are so strong and pushback from them  make any changes in laws very difficult. The part I bolded I agree with.  I read this clutching their pearls errrr  Guns  "but they want to take ALL our guns if we give even an inch"  This is the part that frustrates me so.  Because I don't buy it. To me this is a rote reply to ANY talk of change that stonewalls any meaningful discourse /change between the 2 sides. I personally dont believe this "if we give them an inch they'll take a mile" rhetoric either.

 

AS IF there would ever be a law taking all guns away PLEASE @-@ 

What makes you so sure that they wouldn't take away guns if given the legal precedent to do so?  They have in other countries.  One side is saying ban guns so of course the other side is going to dig their heels in.  It's the expected response to such rhetoric 

[muppy]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

What makes you so sure that they wouldn't take away guns if given the legal precedent to do so?  They have in other countries.  One side is saying ban guns so of course the other side is going to dig their heels in.  It's the expected response to such rhetoric 

Because Gun Culture is too ingrained in America   and even politically moderate gun owners would rebel and there might well be a civil war. Which would be worse than what we have now.

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

What makes you so sure that they wouldn't take away guns if given the legal precedent to do so?  They have in other countries.  One side is saying ban guns so of course the other side is going to dig their heels in.  It's the expected response to such rhetoric 

Its expected but I dont buy it...not one bit. I thnk its histrionic and alarmist rhetoric meant to scare gun owners IN AMERICA

Edited May 16, 2022 by muppy

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

That nutjob could go to Tops with a pump shotgun and shoot 10 people easy.  Most pumps are 5+1 and then pretty quick to reload.  I don't see how that would solve anything unfortunately, especially what happened in this situation

Doubt that. That makes no sense. Next you are going to be sating frisbees could kill that many 

 

3 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Why?  What's their culpability in this?  

Let the jury decide of they provide a product that hurt people or is unsafe. Do mentally ill people seek these products out? Do the gun manufacturers know this? Of course. 

 

Gun manufacturers are profiting right now off of this massacre. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

What makes you so sure that they wouldn't take away guns if given the legal precedent to do so?  They have in other countries.  One side is saying ban guns so of course the other side is going to dig their heels in.  It's the expected response to such rhetoric 

Dems are not saying ban guns, maybe a few, but most, like most Americans, are for better gun laws to at least keep weapons out of insane people's hands 

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, muppy said:

Because Gun Culture is too ingrained in America   and even politically moderate gun owners would rebel and there might well be a civil war. Which would be worse than what we have now.

Its expected but I dont buy it...not one bit. I thnk its histrionic and alarmist rhetoric meant to scare gun owners IN AMERICA

And I'm a pretty center of the road guy on most issues but I see a growing anti-gun sentiment from people who probably don't have much experience with guns and just see them as bad because all they know is what they see on the news.  if they set a legal precedent to be able to ban guns it would only take one whack-job far left administration to try it and like you said there will be resistance which would not end well for anybody.

 

6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Doubt that. That makes no sense. Next you are going to be sating frisbees could kill that many 

 

Let the jury decide of they provide a product that hurt people or is unsafe. Do mentally ill people seek these products out? Do the gun manufacturers know this? Of course. 

 

Gun manufacturers are profiting right now off of this massacre. 

 

 

Dems are not saying ban guns, maybe a few, but most, like most Americans, are for better gun laws to at least keep weapons out of insane people's hands 

 

 

you doubt he could shoot 10 people with a shotgun?  the US army who has access to any guns in the world still certifies and trains with pump shotguns because they don't jam and are more adverse to poor conditions.  of course you can kill lots of people with pump shotguns.  check out the mossberg 590 a1 or m or the kel-tec KSG among others

[Beast]

10 hours ago, Tiberius said:

It's a Republican thing, right now. Republican rhetoric led to this action 

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/buffalo-suspects-manifesto-revealed-5-statements-proving-wasnt-christian-conservative/

 

Wrap your pea brain around it, Tibs. The kid was a Left Wing lunatic that denounced Conservatives and Fox News.

[Tiberius]

 

Just now, Beast said:

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/buffalo-suspects-manifesto-revealed-5-statements-proving-wasnt-christian-conservative/

 

Wrap your pea brain around it, Tibs. The kid was a Left Wing lunatic that denounced Conservatives and Fox News.

He was a racist terrorist and he spewed the same rhetoric that Fox spews 

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

And I'm a pretty center of the road guy on most issues but I see a growing anti-gun sentiment from people who probably don't have much experience with guns and just see them as bad because all they know is what they see on the news.  if they set a legal precedent to be able to ban guns it would only take one whack-job far left administration to try it and like you said there will be resistance which would not end well for anybody.

 

you doubt he could shoot 10 people with a shotgun?  the US army who has access to any guns in the world still certifies and trains with pump shotguns because they don't jam and are more adverse to poor conditions.  of course you can kill lots of people with pump shotguns.  check out the mossberg 590 a1 or m or the kel-tec KSG among others

AR is a way better weapon for murdering people. Way better. Period 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

 

He was a racist terrorist and he spewed the same rhetoric that Fox spews 

 

No.

He spewed the same racists rhetoric that the guy you voted for President spews.

 

Repeat....this killer hated Conservative's, FOX News and right wing beliefs.

 

Why?

 

Because he is a self-admitted Authoritarian Left Winger. He most likely enjoyed the same news shows that you do.

 

Are you going to take a shower tomorrow when your President comforts the black community of Buffalo knowing his past of racists comments?

 

Should I post them for a refresher?

 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

He was a racist terrorist and he spewed the same rhetoric that Fox spews 

You clearly don’t watch FOX news. The thing they comment on the most regarding black people is about how big of a shame it is that they’re killing each other every single day, and that they keep voting for the same party decade after decade in hopes that something will change, but it never does. 

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

AR is a way better weapon for murdering people. Way better. Period 

How so? Because you saw it on the news and decided it was bad because some nerds put a scope and a flashlight and a heat shield on theirs to make it look tactical? The bullets are small and high powered and will pass right through you leaving a very small hole. Meanwhile a shotgun blast will leave a hole the size of a bowling ball in your chest and due to the spread is much more forgiving if you are off target. AR-15 is limited to 10 rounds in NY but a shotgun like the KSG holds 14+1 shotgun shells

[KDIGGZ]

15 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/buffalo-suspects-manifesto-revealed-5-statements-proving-wasnt-christian-conservative/

 

Wrap your pea brain around it, Tibs. The kid was a Left Wing lunatic that denounced Conservatives and Fox News.

Yikes, so he was an authoritarian communist. Sounds like the kind of friends Hunter and Joe Biden keep

[T&C]

I haven't read back through this thread so I don't know if this point was made... why did the white house scramble plans so sleepy joe could go to Buffalo tomorrow? He didn't go to other areas that suffered mass shootings. Didn't go to Brooklyn. ***** won't even go to the southern border which is now the greatest source of deaths in our country outside of natural causes. Truckin off to Buffalo for a bizarre political gain, that is it. There is no other reason based on his behavior the last year and a half. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

10 minutes ago, T&C said:

I haven't read back through this thread so I don't know if this point was made... why did the white house scramble plans so sleepy joe could go to Buffalo tomorrow? He didn't go to other areas that suffered mass shootings. Didn't go to Brooklyn. ***** won't even go to the southern border which is now the greatest source of deaths in our country outside of natural causes. Truckin off to Buffalo for a bizarre political gain, that is it. There is no other reason based on his behavior the last year and a half. 

This is a bit bigger.  You actually got country folk arming up, jumping in vehicle and driving 4 hours to hunt down people that they think are undesirable. 

 

Little unnerving don't think? I would say it's more of a national problem this incident.  Just like January 6th.  There are people looking to destroy the country.   Like the Jan 6ers... This is once such incident over the others. 

[T&C]

8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

This is a bit bigger.  You actually got country folk arming up, jumping in vehicle and driving 4 hours to hunt down people that they think are undesirable. 

 

Little unnerving don't think? I would say it's more of a national problem this incident.  Just like January 6th.  There are people looking to destroy the country.   Like the Jan 6ers... This is once such incident over the others. 

Why won't he go visit the border? Do you think Canada would put up with this bull####?

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by T&C

[Demongyz]

13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

This is a bit bigger.  You actually got country folk arming up, jumping in vehicle and driving 4 hours to hunt down people that they think are undesirable. 

 

Little unnerving don't think? I would say it's more of a national problem this incident.  Just like January 6th.  There are people looking to destroy the country.   Like the Jan 6ers... This is once such incident over the others. 

Leftist Authoritarian Country Folk

[CarpetCrawler]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

No.

He spewed the same racists rhetoric that the guy you voted for President spews.

 

Repeat....this killer hated Conservative's, FOX News and right wing beliefs.

 

Why?

 

Because he is a self-admitted Authoritarian Left Winger. He most likely enjoyed the same news shows that you do.

 

Are you going to take a shower tomorrow when your President comforts the black community of Buffalo knowing his past of racists comments?

 

Should I post them for a refresher?

 

You really should.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, T&C said:

Why won't he go visit the border? Do you think Canada would put up with this bull####?

 

?? 

How are you equating replacement theory nut jobs hunting people in far away cities with a border visit?

1 minute ago, Demongyz said:

Leftist Authoritarian Country Folk

That's an oxymoron. 

[T&C]

9 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

How are you equating replacement theory nut jobs hunting people in far away cities with a border visit?

Not the same thing. I'm talking about how joey suddenly decides that Buffalo is the place to visit now... with all of the places he should have or should be "visiting". Its just a political grasp/grab. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/buffalo-suspects-manifesto-revealed-5-statements-proving-wasnt-christian-conservative/

 

Wrap your pea brain around it, Tibs. The kid was a Left Wing lunatic that denounced Conservatives and Fox News.

Did you read the whole thing?   Sounds like he was into communism when he was 12 then veered the other way.  He was whacked, both sides need to take a hit for this nutjob- not that it matters.  He's fd in the head.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

You clearly don’t watch FOX news. The thing they comment on the most regarding black people is about how big of a shame it is that they’re killing each other every single day, and that they keep voting for the same party decade after decade in hopes that something will change, but it never does. 

This is so true. Just watched Sean Hannity lead off his show with the Buffalo shooting. He said “ a racist monster “ shot 13 people. Is that spewing rhetoric or what? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

8 minutes ago, T&C said:

Not the same thing. I'm talking about how joey suddenly decides that Buffalo is the place to visit now... with all of the places he should have or should be "visiting". Its just a political grasp/grab. 

Why you downplaying the Buffalo incident and its national priority over the other incidents. 

 

??

Edited May 17, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Did you read the whole thing?   Sounds like he was into communism when he was 12 then veered the other way.  He was whacked, both sides need to take a hit for this nutjob- not that it matters.  He's fd in the head.

Actually neither “ side” needs to take a hit for his actions or his professed racism and motives. It shouldn’t be exploited for Political purposes ( as it sadly already is) but questions should be asked about why the Red Flag law that exists just for this purpose failed to snag this scumbag. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Actually neither “ side” needs to take a hit for his actions or his professed racism and motives. It shouldn’t be exploited for Political purposes ( as it sadly already is) but questions should be asked about why the Red Flag law that exists just for this purpose failed to snag this scumbag. 

Of course one side needs to take a hit.  The racist right side.

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Why you downplaying the Buffalo incident and its national priority over the other incidents. 

 

??

Nothing should or is being downplayed. Quite the opposite it’s being seized upon by the Democrat party.  Meanwhile 33 people were shot in Chicago this very weekend. Do you care much about those shootings or any people killed ? California ? 

[716er]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Why you downplaying the Buffalo incident and its national priority over the other incidents. 

 

??

 

You know why.

 

It's vile and it's rampant.