PSL Feedback For New Stadium

[DrDawkinstein]

7 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

The prices I were told were literally this week so I would work with that as a range to start with. Buffalo is super cheap for everything league wide, many fans really do not understand that. The fact they even mentioned PSLs at just $500 is rather remarkable as in some cities the starting point was $5000.

 

Did they mention anything about payment options: I've heard (read):

1. Pay for it upfront.
2. 3 interest free payments leading up to the opening of the stadium.
3. 10 month payment plan at 8% interest.

Which makes them even more doable.

 

We're 5(?) years out from needing to pay this one-time fee. Start saving now, folks. Better than putting your money in the market right now anyways.

[Ned Flanders]

22 hours ago, corta765 said:

I have thought for a bit now the days of going to a game super cheap are toast especially with everything online like you said. I would agree the Bills do not want fans who get $10 tickets, park at an off campus lot for $10, and don't spend any money at the stadium being the focus or goal in anyway.  

My favorite cheap spot was the bus lot...there was always some, or several, hungover sot who missed the bus and the group leader peddled his ticket for beer money for himself.  Never paid more than $10 for a bus lot ticket.

[LabattBlue]

58 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

The prices I were told were literally this week so I would work with that as a range to start with. Buffalo is super cheap for everything league wide, many fans really do not understand that. The fact they even mentioned PSLs at just $500 is rather remarkable as in some cities the starting point was $5000.

Let’s wait and see how many seats have a $500 PSL attached to them. My guess is they will be minimal just so the marketing slogan can be…”PSL’s starting at $500”.

[corta765]

7 minutes ago, BTB said:

Let’s wait and see how many seats have a $500 PSL attached to them. My guess is they will be minimal just so the marketing slogan can be…”PSL’s starting at $500”.

Don’t disagree it’s why I’m wait and see until the full numbers hit

[unbillievable]

They should sell PSL's for parking spaces.

 

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

They definitely don't since I believe the article is at least a year old and they were using current pricing. But a lot of teams already have PSLs and they don't get factored into that list, so ours wouldn't either.

 

Depends on how you look at the PSL since it is a 1-time fee. How long are you going to hold your tickets to spread that cost over? 5 years? 10 years? Plus, the PSL can be resold/transferred if you decide to give up your tickets.

 

Either way, original point still stands: Bills already have the cheapest tickets in the league (and have for decades). When you look at prices for other teams, and the new pricing, we're still low. Maybe we move up to...?... 26 instead of 32?

 

If Buffalo can't afford tickets in the bottom quarter of the league, then that is a Buffalo problem.

 

I understand a lot of folks will be priced out, but there should be enough to take their places. Don't get me wrong, PSLs suck, I hate it, but it is the reality of the situation.

If the PSL's are $5k to $10k I can see lots of average Bills fans getting priced out.

I'm seeing PSL guestimations peaking at $20k, if that turns out to be true that is over the top for the Buffalo area IMO.

My PSL guestimation will be mostly $5k or under.. However its a we shall see situation. 

Personally I plan on moving back to Buffalo about the same time the stadium is completed, If I can get a decent pair of seats at $5k PSL each then I will probably buy the pair. Over $5k and I'm on the fence or out all together.

[LabattBlue]

Just now, ddaryl said:

If the PSL's are $5k to $10k I can see lots of average Bills fans getting priced out.

I'm seeing PSL guestimations peaking at $20k, if that turns out to be true that is over the top for the Buffalo area IMO.

My PSL guestimation will be mostly $5k or under.. However its a we shall see situation. 

Personally I plan on moving back to Buffalo about the same time the stadium is completed, If I can get a decent pair of seats at $5k PSL each then I will probably buy the pair. Over $5k and I'm on the fence or out all together.

…and don’t think there is a long line of people waiting to pay outrageous PSL’s when current STH tell the Bills to go pound salt. 

[Greg S]

10 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

If the PSL's are $5k to $10k I can see lots of average Bills fans getting priced out.

I'm seeing PSL guestimations peaking at $20k, if that turns out to be true that is over the top for the Buffalo area IMO.

My PSL guestimation will be mostly $5k or under.. However its a we shall see situation. 

Personally I plan on moving back to Buffalo about the same time the stadium is completed, If I can get a decent pair of seats at $5k PSL each then I will probably buy the pair. Over $5k and I'm on the fence or out all together.

 

Have the Bills announced what the payment options are? Its a lot of money but if payments can be spread out over 10, 15 years then it makes it more manageable for the average Joe.

[corta765]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

Have the Bills announced what the payment options are? Its a lot of money but if payments can be spread out over 10, 15 years then it makes it more manageable for the average Joe.

 

From what I have read and seen there are three options: 1. pay full up front 2. spread payment in 3 payments up to opening 3. 10 year payment plan. Obviously this can change it is just what I have seen

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Have the Bills announced what the payment options are? Its a lot of money but if payments can be spread out over 10, 15 years then it makes it more manageable for the average Joe.

I have heard about payment plans, but nothing official ...  $5k over 20 years at 8 games a year is about $32 per ticket plus interest so guessing about $35

$70 per ticket at $10k.... 

4 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

From what I have read and seen there are three options: 1. pay full up front 2. spread payment in 3 payments up to opening 3. 10 year payment plan. Obviously this can change it is just what I have seen

If the PSL is a separate bill $10k over 10 years is $1000 a year plus the interest which would probably add another $50-$75 per year 

Also another question is how much more expensive will the seats be themselves

Edited May 12, 2022 by ddaryl

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

From what I have read and seen there are three options: 1. pay full up front 2. spread payment in 3 payments up to opening 3. 10 year payment plan. Obviously this can change it is just what I have seen

 

The prices can also change as well. Both the Jets and Giants tried to charge a $10,000 PSL fee for the lower level behind the end zones. Both teams quickly reduced it to $5,000 when ticket sales for those areas weren't selling well.  Both teams were selling season tickets for MetLife while they still had a year left playing at Giants Stadium. The Bills will do the same thing (most likely) while still playing at Highmark. 

[Just Jack]

2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

My favorite cheap spot was the bus lot...there was always some, or several, hungover sot who missed the bus and the group leader peddled his ticket for beer money for himself.  Never paid more than $10 for a bus lot ticket.

 

That's how I got to see the Bills vs Eagles in 1999.  My buddy called me at 7am asking if I wanted to go to the game.  Having just woken up by his phone call, I said "Of course, I'll be right there" and hung up the phone.  Realized I had no clue where to meet his bus group before they left Syracuse, so I had to call him back and ask where to go.  Someone in their group couldn't make it and he knew I would go. 

 

 

1 hour ago, unbillievable said:

They should sell PSL's for parking spaces.

 

 

If they are reserved spots, and not the directed parking they have now, I'd do it. 

[LabattBlue]

53 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

The prices can also change as well. Both the Jets and Giants tried to charge a $10,000 PSL fee for the lower level behind the end zones. Both teams quickly reduced it to $5,000 when ticket sales for those areas weren't selling well.  Both teams were selling season tickets for MetLife while they still had a year left playing at Giants Stadium. The Bills will do the same thing (most likely) while still playing at Highmark. 

So did the people who paid the $10k for their PSL, get $5k back when price was reduced?

[Greg S]

39 minutes ago, BTB said:

So did the people who paid the $10k for their PSL, get $5k back when price was reduced?

 

Nobody had to pay the 10k. All of this was going on while both teams were still playing at Giants Stadium.  The fans had to put down a 1k deposit while they were still playing at Giants Stadium to secure their seats. But when the teams realized overall sales were slow the price got reduced from 10k to 5k. So instead having 9k left when the new stadium opened it was 4k.  Expect the Bills to do the same thing so fans can secure their seats by putting down a deposit. Also season ticket holders with the most seniority will get first dibs on where they want to sit in the new stadium. At least that is how the Jets and Giants did it.

13 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I'd rather put $27k, elsewhere...

 

Everybody would. PSL's suck. Somebody has to pay for the new stadium and you know what they say about **** running down hill. Guess who is at the bottom of the hill in this case.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

If the PSL's are $5k to $10k I can see lots of average Bills fans getting priced out.

I'm seeing PSL guestimations peaking at $20k, if that turns out to be true that is over the top for the Buffalo area IMO.

My PSL guestimation will be mostly $5k or under.. However its a we shall see situation. 

Personally I plan on moving back to Buffalo about the same time the stadium is completed, If I can get a decent pair of seats at $5k PSL each then I will probably buy the pair. Over $5k and I'm on the fence or out all together.

my PSL will be $10K per seat.

20 hours ago, noacls said:

If prices are anywhere near that the stadium will be empty. 

Those are unfortunately looking pretty accurate based on what I heard today. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, BTB said:

Let’s wait and see how many seats have a $500 PSL attached to them. My guess is they will be minimal just so the marketing slogan can be…”PSL’s starting at $500”.

500 will get you the nose bleed seats.

 

I would plan on 5000-7500 per seat for just average seats.

 

Ok, previous poster just said his seats are 10K per seat.

Edited May 12, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[ddaryl]

9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

my PSL will be $10K per seat.

 

Is there an official PSL price list for the new Stadium?  Seems real early to be announcing that.

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

Is there an official PSL price list for the new Stadium?  Seems real early to be announcing that.

None.  Just a survey to gauge how much they can squeeze out of the STH. 😂

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Is there an official PSL price list for the new Stadium?  Seems real early to be announcing that.

can’t really say how I found out but I have no reason to doubt the info.

[Just Jack]

58 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

can’t really say how I found out but I have no reason to doubt the info.

 

Was it from the survey they sent out to 40,000 people? 

[JoPoy88]

17 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Was it from the survey they sent out to 40,000 people? 

It was not.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Having been through this new stadium stuff twice, one thing I've found out is that the first fans that get priced out are the longtime fans that have been fans for 40 to 50+ years.

 

By now they retired and on fixed incomes and cannot afford large PSLs.

 

It is sad when they are forced to give up their seats.

[mrags]

I’ve got to say this about the whole situation. For the people that have been arguing for the past 5+ years about building a new stadium. Where it would be vs where they wanted it. Dome vs open air, etc.

 

I find it hilariously ironic that those people that wanted an OP, open air stadium because a downtown dome with no tailgating would ruin the atmosphere, and wouldn’t make it a real home field advantage, are the same people complaining about expensive PSLs saying they will be priced out of the new stadium. What did you think was going to happen? The days of young 20 year olds chugging beers and smashing through flaming tables are coming to an end. The nfl, the team, the county, and the city, doesn’t want idiots wasting their weekly paycheck on games. They want corporate dollars. Entire families coming to a family friendly environment spending saving account money on jerseys for every family member at the stadium. $20+ beers, etc. 

 

[Ayjent]

PSLs are fan exploitation pure and simple and I think they will be a flaming failure in Buffalo.  The fan atmosphere makes Buffalo games what they are and if they go to PSLs they’ll get the same bland, stale, and over-commercialized experience where even your urinal greats you with sponsorship.  They always depreciate in value and leave with a hard choice if you aren’t interested in going anymore.  The value of the Bills is their fan base, and the passion on gamedays. I know people sometimes wish for a more family friendly experience but that’s not what it is and if you think ruining the experience with higher costs and a stale experience is good for family outings at an NFL game…oh boy.  Great now everyone can go and no one will be satisfied and they’ll have drained you of significant funds for something that was free and better on TV because the atmosphere sucks like most NFL games around the league.  Honestly, it’s amazing stadiums are as full as they are but much of it is do to these PSLs and how they know they have people over a barrel for years and they don’t have to worry about the game day experience.  Washington is a perfect example of how to ruin a great fan base by milking the life out of it.  

[corta765]

1 hour ago, Ayjent said:

Washington is a perfect example of how to ruin a great fan base by milking the life out of it.  

Washingtons destruction of their fanbase has nothing to do with the stadium. It starts and ends with their owner and about a billion other things he does wrong.

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, Ayjent said:

PSLs are fan exploitation pure and simple and I think they will be a flaming failure in Buffalo.  The fan atmosphere makes Buffalo games what they are and if they go to PSLs they’ll get the same bland, stale, and over-commercialized experience where even your urinal greats you with sponsorship.  They always depreciate in value and leave with a hard choice if you aren’t interested in going anymore.  The value of the Bills is their fan base, and the passion on gamedays. I know people sometimes wish for a more family friendly experience but that’s not what it is and if you think ruining the experience with higher costs and a stale experience is good for family outings at an NFL game…oh boy.  Great now everyone can go and no one will be satisfied and they’ll have drained you of significant funds for something that was free and better on TV because the atmosphere sucks like most NFL games around the league.  Honestly, it’s amazing stadiums are as full as they are but much of it is do to these PSLs and how they know they have people over a barrel for years and they don’t have to worry about the game day experience.  Washington is a perfect example of how to ruin a great fan base by milking the life out of it.  

 

It did this to both the Jets and Giants crowds. Back when the Jets played at Shea and Giants Stadium both teams had strong fan support. Now many of the real fans have been priced out. Its a corporate crowd now and their are also a lot of empty seats at these games. A big reason for that is both teams suck but PSL's still drove many of the fans away. MetLife offers no homefield advantage for either team.

Edited May 16, 2022 by Greg S

[spartan19]

I thought the PSL prices were fair, all things considered, but cost per game prices went through the roof. I currently sit in 111 row 12 and depending on which part you believe, my cost per game will either double or triple.  Way too expensive for this guy.  Enjoy your empty new stadium Terry and Kim, I just need a plastic seat to sit on.  We are a blue collar community, with the surveyed prices, you will price yourself out of many peoples wallets.

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

Washingtons destruction of their fanbase has nothing to do with the stadium. It starts and ends with their owner and about a billion other things he does wrong.

You’re 100% right about Snyder but the stadium is a horrific pit as well and is a factor. 

[corta765]

11 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

You’re 100% right about Snyder but the stadium is a horrific pit as well and is a factor. 

 

Oh I don't disagree there. WSH "SHOULD" be one of the NFL's premier teams... the stadium literally collapsed and almost seriously hurt a player.

 

That pretty much sums up the stadium situation 

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, spartan19 said:

I thought the PSL prices were fair, all things considered, but cost per game prices went through the roof. I currently sit in 111 row 12 and depending on which part you believe, my cost per game will either double or triple.  Way too expensive for this guy.  Enjoy your empty new stadium Terry and Kim, I just need a plastic seat to sit on.  We are a blue collar community, with the surveyed prices, you will price yourself out of many peoples wallets.

 

row 7 tix going for $343 vs the Browns right now.

[Awwufelloff]

1 hour ago, spartan19 said:

I thought the PSL prices were fair, all things considered, but cost per game prices went through the roof. I currently sit in 111 row 12 and depending on which part you believe, my cost per game will either double or triple.  Way too expensive for this guy.  Enjoy your empty new stadium Terry and Kim, I just need a plastic seat to sit on.  We are a blue collar community, with the surveyed prices, you will price yourself out of many peoples wallets.

Yeah its too expensive. Giving up seasons when new stadium comes. Will still go to 1-3 games a here depending on after market price.

[DCofNC]

On 5/11/2022 at 11:43 AM, corta765 said:

 

I hate to say this but I think the Bills realistically have no issue with trimming the season ticket list down to around 52k and the remaining 10-11k (the new stadium will probably be 62-63k plus a few thousand standing room) for individual tickets which are higher priced then now. The fans get screwed, but they get more money and revenue streams. It 100% sucks that someone who has had tickets for 15-20 years same section will either have to move or just not buy at all and I communicated that is the nervousness fans have is what the actual price point is and if I lose my seat ive had for x number of years.

Unfortunately, I believe you are exactly correct.

[chongli]

On 5/11/2022 at 7:26 AM, Buffalo Boy said:

    Living in Charlotte, I know a ton of people with PSLs which is how we usually get tickets to the games here.

 

Wait, you actually pay to see the Panthers?!?! I didn't realize those Sam Darnold games were that good.

Edited May 17, 2022 by chongli

[SydneyBillsFan]

A foreigner's opinion:

 

An individual's financial situation is obviously a key consideration. That said, you'll be watching Josh Allen for the next 15 years.

 

Even if you need to take out a loan - it's money well spent IMO.

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, chongli said:

 

Wait, you actually pay to see the Panthers?!?! I didn't realize those Sam Darnold games were that good.

Bill/Panthers preseason…. This year and a few ago.

Last real game was that Cam Newton/Tyrod Taylor stinker😱

[Greg S]

2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

A foreigner's opinion:

 

An individual's financial situation is obviously a key consideration. That said, you'll be watching Josh Allen for the next 15 years.

 

Even if you need to take out a loan - it's money well spent IMO.

 

It's really not money well spent. PSL fees are just a way for the owners to financially rape the fans into paying for the new stadium. If its a $1000, $2500, $5000 a seat or whatever the cost is it sucks. I think people can think of better ways to spend that kind of money instead of on a seat they sit in 10 times a year. Add in the fact that the regular cost of season/individual tickets is also going up on top of PSL fees. Unfortunately many people will be priced out from going to games.

[corta765]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

It's really not money well spent. PSL fees are just a way for the owners to financially rape the fans into paying for the new stadium. If its a $1000, $2500, $5000 a seat or whatever the cost is it sucks. I think people can think of better ways to spend that kind of money instead of on a seat they sit in 10 times a year. Add in the fact that the regular cost of season/individual tickets is also going up on top of PSL fees. Unfortunately many people will be priced out from going to games.

 

as I said ticket tax for a new stadium is far easier to digest

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

as I said ticket tax for a new stadium is far easier to digest

 

You are probably right. I guess the Pegula's marketing research figured they could sell PSL's fees and still sellout a 60K stadium with 50K season ticket holders in the WNY market.

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

You are probably right. I guess the Pegula's marketing research figured they could sell PSL's fees and still sellout a 60K stadium with 50K season ticket holders in the WNY market.

I would guess their survey results say otherwise. 

[ArtVandalay]

PSLs are the biggest slap in the face to fans ever.  It's a way for owners to pass on construction costs to fans after the fans own tax dollars already financed a major portion of the stadium.

 

Now if the PSL allowed you to design your seat, select cushion, fabric, and accessories then we might be talking. I think many would be okay with a PSL if they could have a crushed velvet zubaz heated seat with a built in pez dispenser.