If LB Devin Lloyd is available at Pick 25......

[JaCrispy]

Lloyd is everything we wanted Edmunds to be- and more...

[Santana]

What is the infatuation with trading Tremaine Edmunds? I don't understand the constant bashing of him as if he's the worst LB in the NFL. Can someone explain to me why they think he's so awful.

[Beast]

I don't think having a rookie QBing the defense in a year the Bills are going for the gold would ve a very wise idea.

[NewEra]

I would…..but no team is trading a top 15 2nd rd pick for him.  Maybe a top 15 4th round pick.  

3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Because there are 2000000000 mocks… a handful will get it right 

Fixed 

[Dopey]

8 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I would pass on the trade and just draft Lloyd in the 1st, WR/RB in the 2nd and CB in the 3rd and Bob's your uncle. No need to trade away your defensive signal caller in the middle of a superbowl window, I'd rather just get a comp pick. 

Finally someone making sense of this. Thanks! We're all in this year for a SB run. Why trust a rookie to come in and be the QB of this defense this year. A top ranked defense. Draft him, if he's available. If he unseats Edmunds, great. But if the rookie flops and we traded Edmunds away, then what? Milano would not be able to make up for the loss. it just amazes me that some here want to get rid of him and trust a rookie. I'm glad it's Beane running the show and not the sentiment on TBD.

8 hours ago, Vickveto said:

Edmunds replacement will probably be drafted in the first round and Edmunds will probably be traded on draft day. We can’t keep everybody. We use premium picks on premium positions and middle linebacker is a premium position to us.

Brace for impact. Edmunds will more than likely be traded on draft day. And it might be Troy Anderson or Quay Walker at 25

You're ok trusting a rookie to be the QB of the defense, when we don't have to trade Edmunds to pick up either of your choices?

[NewEra]

44 minutes ago, Santana said:

What is the infatuation with trading Tremaine Edmunds? I don't understand the constant bashing of him as if he's the worst LB in the NFL. Can someone explain to me why they think he's so awful.

Looking through this thread, I don’t see  much bashing.
 

Here is the gist of many TSW members vs 49 as I see it:  His contract is coming to an end and the majority of the board agreed that his ability on the field isn’t worth what his market value will be.  Paying him big bucks could screw us in the long run as he’s just not a playmaker at the position. 
 

personally,  I’d be ok giving him the same contract as Milano.  I think he’s an ok LB. His problem imo:  lack of big plays.  We hear that it’s because I of the scheme and I’m sure that part of that is true….but the other part is his lack of decisiveness imo.  His processing isn’t fast enough and that’s why he doesn’t make the splash plays other LBs make.  God blessed him with freaky athleticism and length and he seems to have gotten by on that to this point. His mental acuity regarding the game hasn’t progressed as we had hoped.

 

jmo. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by NewEra

[Dopey]

34 minutes ago, Santana said:

What is the infatuation with trading Tremaine Edmunds? I don't understand the constant bashing of him as if he's the worst LB in the NFL. Can someone explain to me why they think he's so awful.

Star is gone. No more whipping boys left.

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I would pass on the trade and just draft Lloyd in the 1st, WR/RB in the 2nd and CB in the 3rd and Bob's your uncle. No need to trade away your defensive signal caller in the middle of a superbowl window, I'd rather just get a comp pick. 

But we’ll be replacing our defensive signal caller in the middle of a super bowl window if we just get a comp pick after this season.  The window will be open.  Some would suggest that if he’s gone after this season regardless. why not replace him now and get his replacement up to speed for the next 5 year super bowl window. 
 

If there’s a 3rd round offer on the table for him, I’d pull the trigger 💯 becssue we don’t know if we’ll be eligible for comp picks.  We might lose him and sign someone of equal caliber. Get your guaranteed pick for him if you can imo.  

[fergie's ire]

It does seem that coaches and teammates see more in Edmonds than most fans do (though that could be coach-speak).  But I think the big issue is his contract.  13 million is a lot to pay for a one year rental and for that amount teams would want an impact player (like an edge).  Not sure teams would give up a 2nd or even a 3rd in this scenario.  

[JMM]

Loyd is going top 15 at worst. If he dropped to 25 the Bills would take him so fast as BPA, that ESPN wouldn't even have a chance to go their traditional commercial during our pick!

[Santana]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Looking through this thread, I don’t seem much bashing.
 

Here is the gist of many TSW members vs 49 as I see it:  His contract is coming to an end and the majority of the board agreed that his ability on the field isn’t worth what his market value will be.  Paying him big bucks could screw us in the long run as he’s just not a playmaker at the position. 
 

personally,  I’d be ok giving him the same contract as Milano.  I think he’s an ok LB. His problem imo:  lack of big plays.  We hear that it’s because I of the scheme and I’m sure that part of that is true….but the other part is his lack of decisiveness imo.  His processing isn’t fast enough and that’s why he doesn’t make the splash plays other LBs make.  God blessed him with freaky athleticism and length and he seems to have gotten by on that to this point. His mental acuity regarding the game hasn’t progressed as we had hoped.

 

jmo. 

Thanks for your input and insight I appreciate it. Yeah there's not too much bashing on this thread but it's a pretty common reoccurring theme on here and other platforms as well. I get it, he has things to work on. Every NFL player has things to work on, especially a 23yr old MLB. I think he'll actually put it all together this year and be more decisive and play more downhill. Often nowadays, it seems as though we all expect players to come in and be stars in years 1 and 2. Some do and some take a few years. He's so young and he's been starting since he was 19yrs old. He's still 2 years younger than Joe Burrow. 

[Magox]

9 hours ago, Special K said:

Would you select him, and trade Edmunds to a team with a top 15 Second Round Pick??

 

I know there are a lot of what-ifs in this scenario, but if the draft did fall this way, and a team with a top 15 second round pick was interested in trading for Edmunds...I would pull the trigger immediately on this.

 

Although I do not hate Edmunds as much as many on this board, I am certainly not a fan of giving him a huge contract extension either.

 

Lloyd is a beast of a LB, and could easily end up being better than Edmunds quite quickly, plus he would be on a cheaper rookie contract for the next 5 years.

 

I would use the second round pick from the trade to draft Breece Hall, the Bills actual second round pick to draft a speed WR like Metchie III, and use the cap savings from losing Edmunds contract to sign one of the Veteran CB's still on the market.

 

What do you think??

 

I think the Bills going LB with the 1st pick is a real possibility.  I just cannot see Beane letting Edmunds walk without getting anything in return.  I just can't see it.

 

If that ends up being the case, then he either negotiates a contract with him or he trades Edmunds for most likely a 2nd rounder.  If he trades Edmunds then that leaves a gaping hole at LB and the odds of getting a LB with the first pick goes up by a lot.  In which you could get a quality WR and DB with the 2nd round picks.

 

I think there is as good a chance of this happening as selecting a WR/CB with the first pick.

[newcam2012]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.

 

In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.

 

FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.

 

If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?

For the most part I disagree with your take. Comparing Poyer to Edmunds just isn't fair to Poyer. I'm not convinced that losing Edmunds would negatively affect the players. Players know that there's always a chance teams could trade or release them especially when it comes to contract time. 

 

Imho, Edmunds is average to good at best. He's very replaceable and his new contract doesn't warrant that type of money. I think the Bills can improve the position and save salary at the same time. I wish him the best in a different uniform. 

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Looking through this thread, I don’t see  much bashing.
 

Here is the gist of many TSW members vs 49 as I see it:  His contract is coming to an end and the majority of the board agreed that his ability on the field isn’t worth what his market value will be.  Paying him big bucks could screw us in the long run as he’s just not a playmaker at the position. 
 

personally,  I’d be ok giving him the same contract as Milano.  I think he’s an ok LB. His problem imo:  lack of big plays.  We hear that it’s because I of the scheme and I’m sure that part of that is true….but the other part is his lack of decisiveness imo.  His processing isn’t fast enough and that’s why he doesn’t make the splash plays other LBs make.  God blessed him with freaky athleticism and length and he seems to have gotten by on that to this point. His mental acuity regarding the game hasn’t progressed as we had hoped.

 

jmo. 

Very well put! 👍

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Santana said:

What is the infatuation with trading Tremaine Edmunds? I don't understand the constant bashing of him as if he's the worst LB in the NFL. Can someone explain to me why they think he's so awful.

I don’t think anyone thinks he’s awful...he’s just so mediocre...we can do better...👍

[dpberr]

I'd be very happy with Lloyd or Dean at #25.  I like both the linebackers at this spot.  Between the two IMO, Lloyd is the better athlete with better size, Dean is the better football player, with more football IQ at this point in the games they've played. 

 

I'd pass on the trade.  The linebacker unit needs an infusion of talented young players.  

[HailMary]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

As good as Lloyd is, could be disruptive move for team chemistry.  Look to draft under the radar LB in mid-rounds to develop.   Milano worked out for us.  

[colin]

isn't trading away edmunds an issue w the cap?

[intimidatortj]

9 hours ago, Special K said:

Would you select him, and trade Edmunds to a team with a top 15 Second Round Pick??

 

I know there are a lot of what-ifs in this scenario, but if the draft did fall this way, and a team with a top 15 second round pick was interested in trading for Edmunds...I would pull the trigger immediately on this.

 

Although I do not hate Edmunds as much as many on this board, I am certainly not a fan of giving him a huge contract extension either.

 

Lloyd is a beast of a LB, and could easily end up being better than Edmunds quite quickly, plus he would be on a cheaper rookie contract for the next 5 years.

 

I would use the second round pick from the trade to draft Breece Hall, the Bills actual second round pick to draft a speed WR like Metchie III, and use the cap savings from losing Edmunds contract to sign one of the Veteran CB's still on the market.

 

What do you think??

Trading Tremaine Edmunds.

 

Who wants him?   Who wants to pay him his pretty high one year salary.  And then risk not resigning him?    It isn't always feasible to do a "sign and trade".  And I don't think anyone has done that during the 3 days of the draft.  Not impossible, but it would be a challenge. 

 

I do find LB Troy Anderson an interesting possibility at pick 57.  The guy flies to ball...he is smart and is good sized at 6'4".   I would have no problems drafting him in the 2nd round.   And if something strange happens and he is still on the board in the 3rd, I would move up to get him.

 

[Shake_My_Head]

1 hour ago, Santana said:

What is the infatuation with trading Tremaine Edmunds? I don't understand the constant bashing of him as if he's the worst LB in the NFL. Can someone explain to me why they think he's so awful.

$$$$$ vs performance for his next contract...

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, Santana said:

Thanks for your input and insight I appreciate it. Yeah there's not too much bashing on this thread but it's a pretty common reoccurring theme on here and other platforms as well. I get it, he has things to work on. Every NFL player has things to work on, especially a 23yr old MLB. I think he'll actually put it all together this year and be more decisive and play more downhill. Often nowadays, it seems as though we all expect players to come in and be stars in years 1 and 2. Some do and some take a few years. He's so young and he's been starting since he was 19yrs old. He's still 2 years younger than Joe Burrow. 

He’s played 4 seasons…..age should not be a factor anymore imo.  His best season was year 2, when he was 20.  Experience hasn’t done much for him. 
 

i hope that you’re right and that he’s does break out.  The DL additions should certainly help.  

[Vickveto]

2 minutes ago, intimidatortj said:

Trading Tremaine Edmunds.

 

Who wants him?   Who wants to pay him his pretty high one year salary.  And then risk not resigning him?    It isn't always feasible to do a "sign and trade".  And I don't think anyone has done that during the 3 days of the draft.  Not impossible, but it would be a challenge. 

 

I do find LB Troy Anderson an interesting possibility at pick 57.  The guy flies to ball...he is smart and is good sized at 6'4".   I would have no problems drafting him in the 2nd round.   And if something strange happens and he is still on the board in the 3rd, I would move up to get him.

 

Edmunds has a market he has made it to a pro bowl he is still under 25 he has started a lot of games he is an above average player. We can’t pay everybody like some people on this board think we can. You can manipulate the cap but sooner or later you just have to get cheaper contracts. A first round linebacker in theory should play as good as Edmunds day one. More money to sign Gilmore he is a better player that Edmonds.

[Shake_My_Head]

17 minutes ago, HailMary said:

As good as Lloyd is, could be disruptive move for team chemistry. 

Team chemistry would be fine.  This is a vet-laden team, especially on defense.   The players know the window they're in right now and that everybody can't be paid.   IMO, they would embrace a guy like Lloyd, even if they'd miss Edmunds as a teammate.    

.

Edited April 11, 2022 by Shake_My_Head

[Aesop]

Edmunds is gonna shock a lot of you this year. Now that we got some serious beef on the defensive line, its going to free him up. Star was supposed to be that guy who took on multiple blockers, allowing Edmunds to shoot gaps. Unfortunately the Star experiment failed, but I have a feeling the Settle, Jones, Phillips combo will be lethal. With that said, I can definitely see the Bills draft his replacement this year. Sadly, we cant keep everybody, no matter how many spells Beane learns.

[Shake_My_Head]

1 minute ago, ONEandDONE said:

Edmunds is gonna shock a lot of you this year. Now that we got some serious beef on the defensive line, its going to free him up. Star was supposed to be that guy who took on multiple blockers, allowing Edmunds to shoot gaps. Unfortunately the Star experiment failed, but I have a feeling the Settle, Jones, Phillips combo will be lethal. With that said, I can definitely see the Bills draft his replacement this year. Sadly, we cant keep everybody, no matter how many spells Beane learns.

 

Well, it would certainly be a shock to me if Edmunds learns how to read and react properly to inside running plays.   

 

I watch him closely because I can't believe a guy with his experience routinely choses the wrong hole to plug, or takes incorrect angles on running plays.  It's like 50/50 that he hits the right hole, which is not good enough for the kind of dollars he'll be paid next year.

[Santana]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’s played 4 seasons…..age should not be a factor anymore imo.  His best season was year 2, when he was 20.  Experience hasn’t done much for him. 
 

i hope that you’re right and that he’s does break out.  The DL additions should certainly help.  

Fair enough. So we could all probably admit that Bobby Wagner has been the best MLB for the better part of the last 5 years, maybe longer. Bobby Wagner's first four seasons in the NFL he had 478 tackles, 9.5 sacks and 5 interceptions. All while playing with the "Legion of Boom". Tremaine Edmunds first four seasons he has 463 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 4 interceptions. I'm just saying I don't think he's as tradeable as a lot of us think.

Edited April 11, 2022 by Santana

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, ONEandDONE said:

Edmunds is gonna shock a lot of you this year. Now that we got some serious beef on the defensive line, its going to free him up. Star was supposed to be that guy who took on multiple blockers, allowing Edmunds to shoot gaps. Unfortunately the Star experiment failed, but I have a feeling the Settle, Jones, Phillips combo will be lethal. With that said, I can definitely see the Bills draft his replacement this year. Sadly, we cant keep everybody, no matter how many spells Beane learns.

I have no doubt Edmunds will "shoot gaps." Will it be the right gap? 

[Max Fischer]

I don't know one reporter who doesn't believe that the Bills LOVE Edmunds and will do everything possible to sign him longterm. I personally believe there is a much greater chance Poyer is traded for his replacement than Edmunds. 

[intimidatortj]

17 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

Edmunds has a market he has made it to a pro bowl he is still under 25 he has started a lot of games he is an above average player. We can’t pay everybody like some people on this board think we can. You can manipulate the cap but sooner or later you just have to get cheaper contracts. A first round linebacker in theory should play as good as Edmunds day one. More money to sign Gilmore he is a better player that Edmonds.

I totally understand Edmunds contract would be expensive.   I am on team dump him.

 

I just don't know what team is going to buy into trading for him....knowing they are going to have to give him a big 4-5 year contract.

 

I would LOVE if the Bills traded him today.   Or tomorrow.    I just think it would be difficult.     (UNLESS we trade him to move up 10 spots in the draft)

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

 

Well, it would certainly be a shock to me if Edmunds learns how to read and react properly to inside running plays.   

 

I watch him closely because I can't believe a guy with his experience routinely choses the wrong hole to plug, or takes incorrect angles on running plays.  It's like 50/50 that he hits the right hole, which is not good enough for the kind of dollars he'll be paid next year.

Agree 100%. In the last few years, how many positive big plays had he made? Often you don't even know he's on the field. The Bills need to improve the position. He's clearly not worth the money he's asking. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I'd be alright with the move and i don't even dislike edmunds that much.  The 5th year option and extension etc.  are just so expensive for a player that isn't a huge playmaker.  He does his job more often than not, his length does show up more when you look outside of just plays where he's targeted, and hes a fine tackler for the most part.  But i don't think I'd pay him to be near top5  at his position.  

[intimidatortj]

2 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

I don't know one reporter who doesn't believe that the Bills LOVE Edmunds and will do everything possible to sign him longterm. I personally believe there is a much greater chance Poyer is traded for his replacement than Edmunds. 

Listening to Beane, it sure sounds like he does not have any interest in trading Edmunds.

 

We will see on Poyer.   IF there is a team out there that wants to trade for a safety in his thirties, and that is the piece they need, than maybe.

 

PS  I thought some team would want to sign Cole Beasley.   So far I am wrong about that.   Maybe after the draft, for a lower contract?

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree 100%. In the last few years, how many positive big plays had he made? Often you don't even know he's on the field. The Bills need to improve the position. He's clearly not worth the money he's asking. 

To answer your question:  how many positive big plays had he made?

 

Not many.

 

But, Beane seems to love the guy.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree 100%. In the last few years, how many positive big plays had he made? Often you don't even know he's on the field. The Bills need to improve the position. He's clearly not worth the money he's asking. 

 

The biggest plays he makes are when they don't throw to the middle of the field because of the 6'5 guy covering their TE etc.  That double clutch causes a sack or a pressure, or forces a throw into coverage, or just generally an incompletion.  It doesn't pop - but the team has basically the #1 3rd down defense since he joined the org - on a majority cover 2/3/4 zone team.  That's a lot of grass for a dude to cover.  

Just now, intimidatortj said:

Listening to Beane, it sure sounds like he does not have any interest in trading Edmunds.

 

We will see on Poyer.   IF there is a team out there that wants to trade for a safety in his thirties, and that is the piece they need, than maybe.

 

PS  I thought some team would want to sign Cole Beasley.   So far I am wrong about that.   Maybe after the draft, for a lower contract?

To answer your question:  how many positive big plays had he made?

 

Not many.

 

But, Beane seems to love the guy.

 

Most teams have spent what they planned to spend pre-draft.  After the draft you re-assess and thats when remaining free agents will get looks.  

[Aesop]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I have no doubt Edmunds will "shoot gaps." Will it be the right gap? 

McDermott runs a single gap system, which focuses heavily on quick penetration by the defensive line to disrupt the offense. The linebackers have gap responsibilities dependent on the formation, they don't get to choose their own gaps lol.

[Just Joshin']

43 minutes ago, colin said:

isn't trading away edmunds an issue w the cap?

No, his hit is salary only so new team picks up.  If cut then yes the Bills take the full hit as it is guaranteed.

[Santana]

18 minutes ago, Santana said:

Fair enough. So we could all probably admit that Bobby Wagner has been the best MLB for the better part of the last 5 years, maybe longer. Bobby Wagner's first four seasons in the NFL he had 478 tackles, 9.5 sacks and 5 interceptions. All while playing with the "Legion of Boom". Tremaine Edmunds first four seasons he has 463 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 4 interceptions. I'm just saying I don't think he's as tradeable as a lot of us think.

Also from years 5 through 10 Bobby Wagner has been to the pro bowl every year and has been an All-Pro every year except last year. Not saying he's the same caliber or player. But the similarities are worth noting.

[JaCrispy]

36 minutes ago, ONEandDONE said:

Edmunds is gonna shock a lot of you this year. Now that we got some serious beef on the defensive line, its going to free him up. Star was supposed to be that guy who took on multiple blockers, allowing Edmunds to shoot gaps. Unfortunately the Star experiment failed, but I have a feeling the Settle, Jones, Phillips combo will be lethal. With that said, I can definitely see the Bills draft his replacement this year. Sadly, we cant keep everybody, no matter how many spells Beane learns.

Edmunds shooting gaps?

 

[LeGOATski]

If Lloyd is there at 25 the Bills are picking him whether they have an Edmunds trade candidate or not. He would be the BPA by far. It seems unlikely.

 

I would be fine if they traded up for him and traded Edmunds and I'm an Edmunds supporter.

[DrDawkinstein]

You dont even have to bring Edmunds into this discussion.

 

If a talent like Devin Lloyd somehow manages to fall to our pick at #25, you run that card up and draft him. He would be BY FAR BPA. Worry about what you do with any existing MLB after the fact.

[Special K]

2 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

It does seem that coaches and teammates see more in Edmonds than most fans do (though that could be coach-speak).  But I think the big issue is his contract.  13 million is a lot to pay for a one year rental and for that amount teams would want an impact player (like an edge).  Not sure teams would give up a 2nd or even a 3rd in this scenario.  

 

In my scenario, I was assuming the team that traded for him would sign him to a long term contract, therefore they might be willing to part with a 2nd.

[mrags]

10 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.

 

In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.

 

FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.

 

If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?

Only problems is….. Edmunds isn’t as good as people think he is. It’s his last season with us and he will likely get a contract worth more than $15/y and he’s just not worth that much. You trade him while you can and get something for him to soften the blow. 

11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

Easy answer, you resign Poyer and Hyde to add a few years on each contract with the money you save from Edmunds. You have one of them call the defense since they are incredibly smart and have an overview of the entire field from the S position, until your rookie LB catches on.