Spitballing on RB target for Bills

[MAJBobby]

So since McKissic went back to DC. And then Fournette starting to be linked in rumors I started thinking and looking at history. 
 

So Bills have made it seem a habit that they will get players they targeted at trade deadlines. 
 

Diggs - acquired next offseason Trade 

Sanders - Signed UFA

Miller - Signed UFA 

 

lesser Saffold - tried to sign him one UFA period. 
 

so I was looking around. There are reports of the Bills tried to Trade for Melvin Gordon in past. Tried to sign him in the past. 
 

could that be the RB and not Fournette (as all the rumors have been wrong on player but right on position). 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

There are Fournette rumors?

[qwksilver]

That makes sense, though I'd prefer they offer the Mckissic money to C Patterson. He's would fill the 3rd down back and all return duties. 2 holes with 1 bird.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, qwksilver said:

That makes sense, though I'd prefer they offer the Mckissic money to C Patterson. He's would fill the 3rd down back and all return duties. 2 holes with 1 bird.

How’s his blocking?

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So since McKissic went back to DC. And then Fournette starting to be linked in rumors I started thinking and looking at history. 
 

So Bills have made it seem a habit that they will get players they targeted at trade deadlines. 
 

Diggs - acquired next offseason Trade 

Sanders - Signed UFA

Miller - Signed UFA 

 

lesser Saffold - tried to sign him one UFA period. 
 

so I was looking around. There are reports of the Bills tried to Trade for Melvin Gordon in past. Tried to sign him in the past. 
 

could that be the RB and not Fournette (as all the rumors have been wrong on player but right on position). 

 

Doubt it. Gordon was available and they made a deal with McKissic. I also don't see them signing a name or anyone that takes carries away from Singletary. When Singletary was the primary ball carrier, he looked the best he ever has, closing out the season.

 

They're looking for someone who can be a good receiving back and a good blocker on some 3rd downs and when Singletary needs a breather. Probably closer to a Darrel Williams type FA. 

 

And Beane said he's offering opportunity to increase your stock for the following season over money now as "they're right up on it (the salary cap)". So unless Gordon's okay with taking minimum pay and a small role taking a backseat to Singletary - I don't see it.

[Magox]

The Bills new they were losing Beasley and they were trying to replace some of what Beasley did which was produce some volume of catches and picking up firsts on third down.   The McKissic loss was not insignificant and I still think they try to get someone in a similar mold whether it be a RB or slot receiver.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Doubt it. Gordon was available and they made a deal with McKissic. I also don't see them signing a name or anyone that takes carries away from Singletary. When Singletary was the primary ball carrier, he looked the best he ever has, closing out the season.

 

They're looking for someone who can be a good receiving back and a good blocker on some 3rd downs and when Singletary needs a breather. Probably closer to a Darrel Williams type FA. 

 

And Beane said he's offering opportunity to increase your stock for the following season over money now as "they're right up on it (the salary cap)". So unless Gordon's okay with taking minimum pay and a small role taking a backseat to Singletary - I don't see it.

Duke Johnson is perfect for that. Gio Bernard.

[qwksilver]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

How’s his blocking?

We'll he's pretty new to the back field, but Falcons put him back there for that statue Ryan. He seems like such an interesting piece for the offense and ST.

[wppete]

Breece Hall 

[qwksilver]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

Breece Hall 

Trade down and a CB in FA or it doesn't happen. Unless he somehow falls to the 3rd round and that won't happen either.

I can't fathom a RB in 1st or 2nd round with CB as glaring a hole as it is. I could see CB in 1st and 2nd like last year's DE.

[Magnum Force]

Breece Hall

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

24 minutes ago, qwksilver said:

That makes sense, though I'd prefer they offer the Mckissic money to C Patterson. He's would fill the 3rd down back and all return duties. 2 holes with 1 bird.

 

Actually he doesn't return punts believe it or not

[qwksilver]

2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Breece Hall 

One of Patrick Peterson, Joe Haden, Richard Sherman or Xavier Rhodes would be a great 1 year stopgap signing for the Bils this year at CB.

I'm going to pass on Richard Sherman because of his guilty plea and he looked like he lost a step. There others would fit and I trust the FO to make that call if they want but I think it's a really good draft for CB and WR and we will dip into both of those before RB.

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Actually he doesn't return punts believe it or not

I think I read that somewhere so I believe it. Still he fills 2 holes as RB/WR and KR. Flexibility is off the charts.

[Magnum Force]

14 minutes ago, qwksilver said:

Trade down and a CB in FA or it doesn't happen. Unless he somehow falls to the 3rd round and that won't happen either.

I can't fathom a RB in 1st or 2nd round with CB as glaring a hole as it is. I could see CB in 1st and 2nd like last year's DE.

Do you want to fill a hole or win a Superbowl?  One of Patrick Peterson, Joe Haden, Richard Sherman or Xavier Rhodes would be a great 1 year stopgap signing for the Bils this year at CB.  Breece Hall would make our offense much more potent and harder to defense.  6’1 220lbs with 4.39 40 speed.  

[qwksilver]

5 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Do you want to fill a hole or win a Superbowl?  One of Patrick Peterson, Joe Haden, Richard Sherman or Xavier Rhodes would be a great 1 year stopgap signing for the Bils this year at CB.  Breece Hall would make our offense much more potent and harder to defense.  6’1 220lbs with 4.39 40 speed.  

I'm on board with B Hall but I don't think that the FO will go that route in the draft unless we sign a CB (no to Richard Sherman) and trade back from 25. Just my 2 cents.

 

Are you saying RB is a bigger need than CB? I think we need 2 CBs.

Edited March 19, 2022 by qwksilver

[Magnum Force]

Breece Hall won’t make it to pick 57… other options at pick 57 might be Kenneth Walker or Isaiah Spiller… but I would rather go Breece Hall at 25 assuming he is still there than roll the dice at him being there at pick 57.  I do agree we need to address the Cornerback position also.  

[BillsFanForever19]

34 minutes ago, wppete said:

Breece Hall 

 

19 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Breece Hall

 

Breece Hall is going somewhere between the bottom of the 1st and the mid 2nd Round. We have too many holes to fill on this team to take a RB where it would take to get Breece Hall.

 

And again, with the way Singletary played down the stretch, I find it hard to believe after sticking with him through his struggles that they're going to look at someone to usurp him now when his stock is at it's highest. If a Breece Hall was something they were thinking about, they'd have never made a deal with JD McKissic.

 

They're just going to bring in someone to support him and someone who's a better receiver when they need to take Singletary off the field. A low cost FA or a pick no higher than Round 4 - as the first 3 picks will need to be used to address the holes at CB, WR, and O-Line (especially if we lose Ryan Bates).

[qwksilver]

9 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Breece Hall won’t make it to pick 57… other options at pick 57 might be Kenneth Walker or Isaiah Spiller… but I would rather go Breece Hall at 25 assuming he is still there than roll the dice at him being there at pick 57.  I do agree we need to address the Cornerback position also.  

Agree, that's why I previously stated that a trade back will probably be needed. 25 seems a little early for this CB needy team and after the combine he won't make it to 57.

[Magnum Force]

Time will tell with our next few FA signings whether it is a RB such as Fournette or Gordon, WR such as Julio Jones or CB such as Peterson, Haden or Rhodez ( all just examples) of what direction we might go in the draft.  Nothing is etched in stone but though I prefer Hall … it seems we will go CB

[Alphadawg7]

Wait, what Fournette rumors?

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Magnum Force said:

Time will tell with our next few FA signings whether it is a RB such as Fournette or Gordon, WR such as Julio Jones or CB such as Peterson, Haden or Rhodez ( all just examples) of what direction we might go in the draft.  Nothing is etched in stone but though I prefer Hall … it seems we will go CB

 

None of those things are happening. Brandon Beane basically said he's done in Free Agency and that he's basically going to make low cost deals for people looking for opportunity over money as they really don't have any, after the Draft.

[947]

I'd be happy with Penny, McKinnon, or Patterson.

[Manther]

15 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Breece Hall won’t make it to pick 57… other options at pick 57 might be Kenneth Walker or Isaiah Spiller… but I would rather go Breece Hall at 25 assuming he is still there than roll the dice at him being there at pick 57.  I do agree we need to address the Cornerback position also.  

My guess and gut feeling is the Bills would have taken Etienne if the Jags didn't jump up and grab him last year.  I think Beane and McD see a game changing RB weapon if it is a special player is worth it.

[strive_for_five_guy]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wait, what Fournette rumors?

The OP just spitballing?

[Turbo44]

Full disclosure, I’m biased as he was a friend of my sons at wake forest, but walker III will be as good as Hall

 

[Magnum Force]

1 minute ago, Manther said:

My guess and gut feeling is the Bills would have taken Etienne if the Jags didn't jump up and grab him last year.  I think Beane and McD see a game changing RB weapon if it is a special player is worth it.

I would say Kenneth Walker is more in the mold of Etienne.  But Breece Hall can run between the tackles and get you the hard yards along with great outside speed .  He could be special in this offense and make it so potent.  

[Manther]

2 minutes ago, 947 said:

I'd be happy with Penny, McKinnon, or Patterson.

I also would be happy with them.  I think in this order....

 

Penny

Patterson

McKinnon

 

I think Hall is best though.

 

Penny might come at the right price.  My only question on Penny (besides injury) is does he need the lion's share of the carries to be successful?

1 minute ago, Magnum Force said:

I would say Kenneth Walker is more in the mold of Etienne.  But Breece Hall can run between the tackles and get you the hard yards along with great outside speed .  He could be special in this offense and make it so potent.  

Interesting..... I would love a great RB weapon for Josh to take the offense to an unstoppable level.

[BillsFanForever19]

9 minutes ago, 947 said:

I'd be happy with Penny, McKinnon, or Patterson.

 

McKinnon, possibly. Penny, probably not. Patterson, DEFINITELY not. They were never going to allocate much more than a few million for a limited role behind Singletary at the RB position. And now after all we've spent and listening to Beane's presser, sounds like even a McKissic like contract is out. 

 

My guess is it's a Day 3 pick at this point with a guy who has some speed a receiving ability.

[MrEpsYtown]

Based on what Beane was saying, guys who can come here, get touches, rebuild value, and re-enter the market a few guys make sense. 
 

Marlon Mack got hurt and lost his job to JT28. But he has some pretty explosive play in the past and is a former 1,000 yard rusher. It is certainly low risk, high reward. 
 

Ronald Jones II has had some awesome games for Tampa, but his production took a dive once they added Fournette and Gio Bernard. 
 

Then you have guys like David Johnson and Tarik Cohen who have fallen off a cliff, but were once super productive. It makes sense for them to enter a place where they can play with an elite qb for 1 year. 
 

I still think Jerick McKinnon fits like a glove with Singletary and Josh Allen and has a chance to be extremely productive here. 

[Einstein's Dog]

I  think Beane waits.  He'll get a great value RB who has been (in their mind) disrespected.   Kind of like the last RB standing.  Lots of RBs left.

 

Fournette, Penny, Michel, Patterson, Gordon, and if K Hunt is released, are the pool I hope the FO is waiting on.  As some start coming off the board the others get nervous playing for a winner will look more attractive.

[JoshAllin]

I still like the idea of Mcaff for his pass catching and slot possibilty

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, qwksilver said:

Trade down and a CB in FA or it doesn't happen. Unless he somehow falls to the 3rd round and that won't happen either.

I can't fathom a RB in 1st or 2nd round with CB as glaring a hole as it is. I could see CB in 1st and 2nd like last year's DE.

CB and WR will be our 2 1st picks.  BPA in each area.

[cage]

8 hours ago, qwksilver said:

That makes sense, though I'd prefer they offer the Mckissic money to C Patterson. He's would fill the 3rd down back and all return duties. 2 holes with 1 bird.

 

Hasn't the McKissic $ been consumed by the tsunami of the last couple days?

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

So since McKissic went back to DC. And then Fournette starting to be linked in rumors I started thinking and looking at history. 
 

So Bills have made it seem a habit that they will get players they targeted at trade deadlines. 
 

Diggs - acquired next offseason Trade 

Sanders - Signed UFA

Miller - Signed UFA 

 

lesser Saffold - tried to sign him one UFA period. 
 

so I was looking around. There are reports of the Bills tried to Trade for Melvin Gordon in past. Tried to sign him in the past. 
 

could that be the RB and not Fournette (as all the rumors have been wrong on player but right on position). 

 

 

$$. 

8 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

Time will tell with our next few FA signings whether it is a RB such as Fournette or Gordon, WR such as Julio Jones or CB such as Peterson, Haden or Rhodez ( all just examples) of what direction we might go in the draft.  Nothing is etched in stone but though I prefer Hall … it seems we will go CB

 

 

Don't hold your breath.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

What if we draft another HB in round 3?

 

Fournette is ideal but seems a pipe dream to me.

 

McKinnon would be a great get. 

[Magnum Force]

McCreary, McDuffie, Elam, Booth or another WR will fill a hole… and will be good long term. But Breece Hall would make an immediate impact and give us something we don’t have… a big, strong and fast RB that defenses would have to respect.  

21 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

What if we draft another HB in round 3?

 

Fournette is ideal but seems a pipe dream to me.

 

McKinnon would be a great get. 

Zeppelin!  Are you a drummer? Bonzo was great….Neil Peart and Ginger Baker were awesome too

[atlbillsfan1975]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Duke Johnson is perfect for that. Gio Bernard.

Why does it seem like Gio Bernard is 102 years old? I am going to now look up his actual age. 
 

Ok, he will be 31 mid season next year. He has had solid production as a receiving back. Last year with Tampa was his worst season as a pro and lowest yards per reception. 

Edited March 19, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Why does it seem like Gio Bernard is 102 years old? I am going to now look up his actual age. 

I think he is 30

[JohnBonhamRocks]

35 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Zeppelin!  Are you a drummer? Bonzo was great….Neil Peart and Ginger Baker were awesome too

Yessir been drumming 20+ years. Love all three, but yeah to me no one comes close to Bonzo. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think he is 30

Yea, maybe it’s his first name being something I don’t hear often, but it seemed like he was a few years older than that. 
Definitely would be nice to find someone with his type of production a couple of rounds later in the draft. From the stats Gio’s best season was his rookie year in regards to receiving. He was a second round pick, not something I want the Bills to spend on a RB this draft. I would like Beane and the scouts to find a guy from a smaller school who could give that production. To me, running backs is one of the few positions you can take from a small school and get immediate impact. If a player can run it shows, if a player will hit the hole and go, it shows.