Breece Hall Please!!

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

 

Maybe try reading actual scouting reports and watching film reviews on him instead of watching his highlights lol

Those same scouting reports put down talents like Josh Allen and Jonathan Taylor. Ever heard the phrase “Tape Don’t Lie”

[Milanos Milano]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

It's not 1974 anymore...

Jonathan Taylor was early 2nd round. Top talent at RB still goes early. I still think Breece is worth it, could always take WR at 25 and trade up to around 35 and take Breece. 

[RevWarRifleman]

14 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

A buzzkill for always wanting to get better? So we can’t do better than Singletary and Moss? Breece Hall is elite. 

 

I agree that we need all of those things, but Breece Hall is the next Marshawn Lynch. I want to have an elite running back to pair with Allen. 

Copy that!! Especially the 4 words.

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, motorj said:

With Von in the mix I don't see why the bills wouldn't get the best available CB in 1st

 

It could be argued that they could more easily get away with an average CB starting in the secondary with an upgraded pass rush,  especially in one of the less aggressive/risky coverage schemes. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Jonathan Taylor was early 2nd round. Top talent at RB still goes early. I still think Breece is worth it, could always take WR at 25 and trade up to around 35 and take Breece. 

Guarantee you he goes between 33-37.  I love this guy but Beane's going to have to have stones to get him.

[Milanos Milano]

12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Guarantee you he goes between 33-37.  I love this guy but Beane's going to have to have stones to get him.

He’s worth a trade up. If you aren’t willing to trade up, just take him at 25. But I have a feeling they want a top WR. Breece is absolutely worth it though. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Jonathan Taylor was early 2nd round. Top talent at RB still goes early. I still think Breece is worth it, could always take WR at 25 and trade up to around 35 and take Breece. 

Early?  What’s early?  Early is top 10-15 imo.  There’s a reason Rbs aren’t drafted top 15. I believe there’s been 7 since 1010.  There’s been 19 RBs taken in the rd 1 since 2010. How many of those RBs have won a SB with the team that drafted them?  1- the rb drafted by Tom Brady’s team.  Lenny won one after being cut and signed by Tom Brady’s team.  The numbers suggest:  If you don’t have Tom Brady, don’t draft a RB in rd 1.

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Early?  What’s early?  Early is top 10-15 imo.  There’s a reason Rbs aren’t drafted top 15. I believe there’s been 7 since 1010.  There’s been 19 RBs taken in the rd 1 since 2010. How many of those RBs have won a SB with the team that drafted them?  1- the rb drafted by Tom Brady’s team.  Lenny won one after being cut and signed by Tom Brady’s team.  The numbers suggest:  If you don’t have Tom Brady, don’t draft a RB in rd 1.

 

 

I mean early for the current modern era. Like 20-45. Plenty of modern elite RBs go in this range. I hope we are one of them this year. Not sure how anyone could want to pass up a 220lb RB that runs a 4.39 and catches as well as McKissic. 
 

We already have an elite QB, so it’s time to pair him with an elite RB, just like when we had Kelly and Thomas. Especially now that we have Miller. It’s time. 

If we had a Jonathan Taylor type RB, this team would be unstoppable. This is why I want Breece Hall so badly. 

[wppete]

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I mean early for the current modern era. Like 20-45. Plenty of modern elite RBs go in this range. I hope we are one of them this year. Not sure how anyone could want to pass up a 220lb RB that runs a 4.39 and catches as well as McKissic. 
 

We already have an elite QB, so it’s time to pair him with an elite RB, just like when we had Kelly and Thomas. Especially now that we have Miller. It’s time. 

If we had a Jonathan Taylor type RB, this team would be unstoppable. This is why I want Breece Hall so badly. 

Lol, disagree with that 💯.

 

We have an elite QB, now it’s time to pair him with an elite OL.  
 

agree to disagree.  You can’t look at our OL and think that it’s going to stop the stacked DLs being created around the league.  Brown is terrible is pass protection.  Saffold is terrible is pass protection.  Bates might not even be on the team and has little experience playing RG.  He might be good.  He might not. We have lots of questions marks on the OL and already have a capable back.  
 

the only thing this team can’t afford is to have josh allen get injured.  Protect him

9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I mean early for the current modern era. Like 20-45. Plenty of modern elite RBs go in this range. I hope we are one of them this year. Not sure how anyone could want to pass up a 220lb RB that runs a 4.39 and catches as well as McKissic. 
 

We already have an elite QB, so it’s time to pair him with an elite RB, just like when we had Kelly and Thomas. Especially now that we have Miller. It’s time. 

If we had a Jonathan Taylor type RB, this team would be unstoppable. This is why I want Breece Hall so badly. 

Name the elite QB/Rb tandems that have won Super Bowls….then look at their OLs and in almost every case, you’ll know why the RB was elite.  

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Lol, disagree with that 💯.

 

We have an elite QB, now it’s time to pair him with an elite OL.  
 

agree to disagree.  You can’t look at our OL and think that it’s going to stop the stacked DLs being created around the league.  Brown is terrible is pass protection.  Saffold is terrible is pass protection.  Bates might not even be on the team and has little experience playing RG.  He might be good.  He might not. We have lots of questions marks on the OL and already have a capable back.  
 

the only thing this team can’t afford is to have josh allen get injured.  Protect him

We still can protect him. Plenty of decent offensive linemen can be drafted after we get Hall. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We still can protect him. Plenty of decent offensive linemen can be drafted after we get Hall. 

And cornerbacks too.  And WRs.  Mmhmm

Edited March 17, 2022 by NewEra

[ndirish1978]

Most Mocks I have seen have him going in the 2nd.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

We need to draft a cb and wr in the first two rounds. Maybe even a guard if Bates leaves. I like Breece Hall a lot but we have much bigger needs.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Most Mocks I have seen have him going in the 2nd.

Probably early second. Likely in the 35-40 range. 

Just now, Allen2Diggs said:

We need to draft a cb and wr in the first two rounds. Maybe even a guard if Bates leaves. I like Breece Hall a lot but we have much bigger needs.

Why CB? We hit so often on late round CBs, I’d like to continue that trend. WR, RB, OG are likely our first 3 picks. 

[Logic]

I think they're banking on the idea that Aaron Kromer and improved guard play will whip our line into shape. Between that and the emergence of Singletary as a dependable RB1 once they stopped with the "committee" stuff, I don't expect them to spend a high pick on a running back.

If we're able to use this thread to stan for a certain player to be drafted to add firepower to the offense, though, may I put in a vote for Jameson Wililams or Chris Olave or Jahan Dotson? Now that Beasley is gone, WR3 is a FAR bigger need than RB, and a speedy/explosive player there would do wonders for our passing game overall.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Logic

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why CB? We hit so often on late round CBs, I’d like to continue that trend. WR, RB, OG are likely our first 3 picks. 

We lost our #2 in free agency and Tre isn't guaranteed to be ready by week 1. Cornerback is a premier position that we can't afford to fill in free agency and we need to get younger and cheaper at the position. There are more late round rb's that become stars than cornerbacks.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Allen2Diggs said:

We lost our #2 in free agency and Tre isn't guaranteed to be ready by week 1. Cornerback is a premier position that we can't afford to fill in free agency and we need to get younger and cheaper at the position. There are more late round rb's that become stars than cornerbacks.

We have Dane Jackson, who is a good CB. We also have Johnson. I’m ok with drafting a CB, but we can do so later in the draft. 

[Solomon Grundy]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

How many of those RBs have won a SB with the team that drafted them?  1- the rb drafted by Tom Brady’s team.  Lenny won one after being cut and signed by Tom Brady’s team

Is he the only one that played with a top tier QB?

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We have Dane Jackson, who is a good CB. We also have Johnson. I’m ok with drafting a CB, but we can do so later in the draft. 

Our #2, Wallace, was undrafted

8 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

We lost our #2 in free agency and Tre isn't guaranteed to be ready by week 1. Cornerback is a premier position that we can't afford to fill in free agency and we need to get younger and cheaper at the position. There are more late round rb's that become stars than cornerbacks.

Why not?? There’s plenty of them out there. 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Is he the only one that played with a top tier QB?

Our #2, Wallace, was undrafted

Exactly. If there is one position that I feel the most confident about getting good value at later rounds it’s CB. No need to draft one this year early. We can next year if we need it. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[NewEra]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Is he the only one that played with a top tier QB?

Lol.  Now we’re moving the goalposts.  If you take a look @ the last 20+ years of football, running backs have very little influence on winning football games.  Other than QB, the Offensive line and Defensive lines dominate in order of importance.  We now have a possibly dominant DL.  The next area of business should be the OL.  Running backs have very little impact when it comes to winning Super Bowls in this NFL.  It’s just the way it is.

 

Yes, drafting Breece Hall could be amazing for us….as long as we continue to improve the OL.  If we don’t, he won’t mean Jack.  
 

This years bills offense was a perfect example of how little a Rb means.  First 2/3 of the season, motor sucked…..our run game sucked and we couldn’t move the ball on the ground.  Last 1/3 of the season, that same terrible rb was a top 5 back every week.  Was he all of a sudden good?  No.  Same back.  Different OL, OL play and scheme.  
 

No more of this talk for me. We know where we stand.  I’ll be excited to root for a stud like Breece if we draft him, but I think the 25th pick should be spent elsewhere.  He’s there in rd 2, I’d be fine with it.  

[Solomon Grundy]

14 minutes ago, Logic said:

Singletary as a dependable RB1

The same dependable guy that dropped a screen pass in 2020 AFCCG? People were ready to tar and feather him. Marlon Mack and Nyheim Hines were such good, dependable RBs that the Colts drafted Taylor. The ONLY reason Taylor dropped in the draft was because the scouts thought he had to much wear on his tires

[Ralonzo]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

if Hall is the pick, I won’t be angry, but, after looking at the possible prospects available, I’d rather go OL or CB and take James Cook in rd 3-4

The Bills may have tipped their hand offering the contract to McKissic, Cook is pretty much exactly that, but with 4.42 speed.

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

The Bills may have tipped their hand offering the contract to McKissic, Cook is pretty much exactly that, but with 4.42 speed.

Yup.  Definitely showed their cards on that one. 

[Motor26]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yup.  Definitely showed their cards on that one. 

Would love Cook in the 4th over Hall in the 1st. Only way I’d consider Hall would be if he was there at the Bills 2nd round pick (He won’t be). Still think first 3 rounds need to be WR/IOL/CB in whatever order is BPA. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

The Bills may have tipped their hand offering the contract to McKissic, Cook is pretty much exactly that, but with 4.42 speed.

Perfectly fine with either Hall or Cook. I just want one or the other. 

[DrPJax]

20 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

A buzzkill for always wanting to get better? So we can’t do better than Singletary and Moss? Breece Hall is elite. 

 

I agree that we need all of those things, but Breece Hall is the next Marshawn Lynch. I want to have an elite running back to pair with Allen. 

     I agree.  I know the game has changed but we saw how mixon helped the bengals advance dither than we did. Thurman was key to helping the k gun run.  Plus I hate to say this but if Allen get hurt running all those rpos people on here will wish the Bills had gotten a quality back who:can take those Carrie’s   off Allen so he can be assured to be around to lead us.  Right now our running game is just not adequate or dependable in short yardage or the red zone.   How many on here complained at the stupid passing Daboll did inside the five or ten yard line so often last year casing drives to stall ?  How often did people complain Daboll was getting too cute in that area? 
 

    Its  the last missing piece to having an offense in Todays game that is just as unstoppable as the k gun was with Thurman in his time. Plus people forget how just reverting to a third down guy like we almost got from Washington gives away situational tendencies as opposed to a complete three down back. The draft is where you get a cheap alternative to FA and is perfect to get a plug and play rb on a cheap deal. Motor and moss are average at best with an occasional good game or two as I think they only Have one 100 yard game  ( I think motor had ONE 100 yard game last year ?)  getting a guy like Hall would really open up the offense in the red zone where we stalled so many times and settled for field goals.
 

   With Beane  Going all in on the d line ,  I don’t get just continuing to do the same thing with the current rbs and expecting different results.  Protect Allen , give him a good rb to save his running for the Playoffs and critical moments while assuring your chances he stays healthy.   In the NFL , running qbs get hurt ( I have seen posters argue on here that you don’t draft rbs high because they get injured very often , and they can as Barkley / mccaffery have shown , but then that means we are choosing to keep exposing Allen to those same risks ) and all these great aspirations and signings are for naught if Allen goes down.  It’s not about taking anything away from his passsing game , it’s about having a rb who can actually produce when given the chance and can you honestly say you trust motor or moss in those situations ?  They haven’t proven they are consistent at this point. 
 

    This team goes as far as Allen takes them and the high scoring o is the bread and butter way this team wins.  Yes we need a cb, but you have seen late round picks like Jackson or FA guys like Wallace at least be adequate.  With all the d line additions you could argue the cbs will be much more effective as qbs won’t just be standing back there like mahomes did in the playoffs picking the d apart. This year the draft is very deep with cb talent , so it’s not mandatory to use a first round pick to find talent there.  Imagine a back like Najee Harris who put up 1200 yds/ 7 tds ( despite an ineffective passing game as Ben was just hanging on) and while he might not get that in a more passing oriented O, he probably gets 1000 and is effective in short yardage.  Hall may be even more productive than Harris. Getting a good rb is just not about making the d have to be more honest , it’s about protecting Allen as well and if you’re ok with drafting an o lineman in the first round to protect Josh, why not look at a very productive rb in the same way? ( Baldinger on NFL network thinks Hall is a first round talent)   We need an option as well if we run into weather games that make passing hard , as we lost at least one game last year to an inferior team that way and we had no run game to counter with. If you want home field advantage for the playoffs , don’t ignore a good running game to help get you there. 

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

     I agree.  I know the game has changed but we saw how mixon helped the bengals advance dither than we did. Thurman was key to helping the k gun run.  Plus I hate to say this but if Allen get hurt running all those rpos people on here will wish the Bills had gotten a quality back who:can take those Carrie’s   off Allen so he can be assured to be around to lead us.  Right now our running game is just not adequate or dependable in short yardage or the red zone.   How many on here complained at the stupid passing Daboll did inside the five or ten yard line so often last year casing drives to stall ?  How often did people complain Daboll was getting too cute in that area? 
 

    Its  the last missing piece to having an offense in Todays game that is just as unstoppable as the k gun was with Thurman in his time. Plus people forget how just reverting to a third down guy like we almost got from Washington gives away situational tendencies as opposed to a complete three down back. The draft is where you get a cheap alternative to FA and is perfect to get a plug and play rb on a cheap deal. Motor and moss are average at best with an occasional good game or two as I think they only Have one 100 yard game  ( I think motor had ONE 100 yard game last year ?)  getting a guy like Hall would really open up the offense in the red zone where we stalled so many times and settled for field goals.
 

   With Beane  Going all in on the d line ,  I don’t get just continuing to do the same thing with the current rbs and expecting different results.  Protect Allen , give him a good rb to save his running for the Playoffs and critical moments while assuring your chances he stays healthy.   In the NFL , running qbs get hurt ( I have seen posters argue on here that you don’t draft rbs high because they get injured very often , and they can as Barkley / mccaffery have shown , but then that means we are choosing to keep exposing Allen to those same risks ) and all these great aspirations and signings are for naught if Allen goes down.  It’s not about taking anything away from his passsing game , it’s about having a rb who can actually produce when given the chance and can you honestly say you trust motor or moss in those situations ?  They haven’t proven they are consistent at this point. 
 

    This team goes as far as Allen takes them and the high scoring o is the bread and butter way this team wins.  Yes we need a cb, but you have seen late round picks like Jackson or FA guys like Wallace at least be adequate.  With all the d line additions you could argue the cbs will be much more effective as qbs won’t just be standing back there like mahomes did in the playoffs picking the d apart. This year the draft is very deep with cb talent , so it’s not mandatory to use a first round pick to find talent there.  Imagine a back like Najee Harris who put up 1200 yds/ 7 tds ( despite an ineffective passing game as Ben was just hanging on) and while he might not get that in a more passing oriented O, he probably gets 1000 and is effective in short yardage.  Hall may be even more productive than Harris. Getting a good rb is just not about making the d have to be more honest , it’s about protecting Allen as well and if you’re ok with drafting an o lineman in the first round to protect Josh, why not look at a very productive rb in the same way? ( Baldinger on NFL network thinks Hall is a first round talent)   We need an option as well if we run into weather games that make passing hard , as we lost at least one game last year to an inferior team that way and we had no run game to counter with. If you want home field advantage for the playoffs , don’t ignore a good running game to help get you there. 

This^^^^. Mic drop

[Turbo44]

Kenneth walker III is better and will go around the same range- early to late 2nd

[Solomon Grundy]

With Matt Barkley as the backup, anybody still think we don’t need a bell cow RB?

[transplantbillsfan]

On 3/16/2022 at 6:55 PM, Big Turk said:

Just say no to RB man...it's not a value position.

 

WR or CB

 

When? Is the OP proposing we draft him in the 1st? Right now Hall is projected mid to late 2nd round. I think the projected actual pick is about 62. If we can get him at 57 and he gives us 4 years where he turns into Jonathan Taylor (who was a 2nd round pick), what's the problem?

 

I think based on the fact that Singletary is now going into the final year of his rookie deal this year, Moss SUCKED last season, and we were screwed over by Mckissic, we pretty much have to draft an RB in the first 3 rounds. From what I've read about and seen of Hall... I like him as our target.

 

CB in round 1. Hall in round 2. Sounds good to me.

[Milanos Milano]

16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

When? Is the OP proposing we draft him in the 1st? Right now Hall is projected mid to late 2nd round. I think the projected actual pick is about 62. If we can get him at 57 and he gives us 4 years where he turns into Jonathan Taylor (who was a 2nd round pick), what's the problem?

 

I think based on the fact that Singletary is now going into the final year of his rookie deal this year, Moss SUCKED last season, and we were screwed over by Mckissic, we pretty much have to draft an RB in the first 3 rounds. From what I've read about and seen of Hall... I like him as our target.

 

CB in round 1. Hall in round 2. Sounds good to me.

No, I’m proposing we trade up in the 2nd to get him. I don’t think he will be there by the time we pick. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

No, I’m proposing we trade up in the 2nd to get him. I don’t think he will be there by the time we pick. 

 

I would be completely happy with this

[GunnerBill]

On 3/17/2022 at 10:51 AM, CapeBreton said:

I think Kenneth Walker is the best RB in this class, although it’s not a good class. Breece Hall and Isaiah Spiller are both overrated. 

 

This. This. This again. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

No, I’m proposing we trade up in the 2nd to get him. I don’t think he will be there by the time we pick. 

We have needs at corner wide receiver and offensive line and you want to give up picks

 

 

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

When? Is the OP proposing we draft him in the 1st? Right now Hall is projected mid to late 2nd round. I think the projected actual pick is about 62. If we can get him at 57 and he gives us 4 years where he turns into Jonathan Taylor (who was a 2nd round pick), what's the problem?

 

I think based on the fact that Singletary is now going into the final year of his rookie deal this year, Moss SUCKED last season, and we were screwed over by Mckissic, we pretty much have to draft an RB in the first 3 rounds. From what I've read about and seen of Hall... I like him as our target.

 

CB in round 1. Hall in round 2. Sounds good to me.

 

We don't run the ball enough to make this a priority. I'd rather go CB/WR in round 2. You can find someone that will give 90% of Hall's production in the later rounds like many other teams do.

[Magnum Force]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We have needs at corner wide receiver and offensive line and you want to give up picks

 

 

Need vs Impact

Which one will win you a Superbowl?

[Magnum Force]

Imagine how much a RB like Breece Hall improves our Red Zone and Goal Line offense. He is an every down back.

[Magnum Force]

Devin Singletary is arguably the smallest starting RB in the league at 5’7” 200 lbs and the slowest starting RB with 4.66 40 speed… he is the product of a great offense and Josh Allen’s great running ability. 

[Magnum Force]

How would you feel if the Kansas City Chiefs drafted Breece Hall at pick 30?