Gunner's 2022 Mock Draft (v3 and FINAL - p.17!!)

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

McDuffie's arm length is a real concern. Joe Marino pointed out today there hasn't been an all-pro CB in over a decade with under 30" arms. Only 3 all-pros under 32" arms. It's something NFL teams value, the Bills under McDermott in particular.

Yeah.

The thing I seem to keep reading from scouts about McDuffie is that no one expects him to be elite or a perennial All-Pro, but everyone expects him to play 10 years and to have a really safe floor due to his technical proficiency and football IQ. Just a solid, pro's pro type who will stick around the league a long time.

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

McDuffie's arm length is a real concern. Joe Marino pointed out today there hasn't been an all-pro CB in over a decade with under 30" arms. Only 3 all-pros under 32" arms. It's something NFL teams value, the Bills under McDermott in particular.

Its the only reason why he would even be there at 25 because he has been lockdown in college.

 

I am starting to hope that we bring in a vet......and that all the corners get taken before we pick making the decision form someone like zion johnson or olive an easy pick for us.

 

If we dont go with a guy like McDuffie......and we cant get a decent vet in here to spell till Tre is ready I think we are going to be revisiting this.   Miami alone get closer to our heels if we dont have coverage to stop their weapons.

[schoolhouserock]

The only gripe I have is that Breece Hall is from Iowa State, not Iowa.

[NewEra]

36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I like Olive......still think McDuffie is the play

I think that he’s Beanes #1 guy and if Olave is there, we are sprinting to the podium.  

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think that he’s Beanes #1 guy and if Olave is there, we are sprinting to the podium.  

Wont throw my TV out the window if its the pick.

 

I need to see what we are going to do at corner......you can go throwing mid round picks and Dane Jackson on the field when the season rolls around and I dont expect Tre to be 100 percent at the start of the season.

 

Besides this......people are acting like McDuffie is a consolation prize....he is not.....strong chance he wont even be there for us to pick.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Wont throw my TV out the window if its the pick.

 

I need to see what we are going to do at corner......you can go throwing mid round picks and Dane Jackson on the field when the season rolls around and I dont expect Tre to be 100 percent at the start of the season.

 

Besides this......people are acting like McDuffie is a consolation prize....he is not.....strong chance he wont even be there for us to pick.

I agree…I just don’t think that Beane will go into the draft with our current Cb situation 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Wont throw my TV out the window if its the pick.

 

I need to see what we are going to do at corner......you can go throwing mid round picks and Dane Jackson on the field when the season rolls around and I dont expect Tre to be 100 percent at the start of the season.

 

Besides this......people are acting like McDuffie is a consolation prize....he is not.....strong chance he wont even be there for us to pick.

I agree.  I think McDuffie will be long gone

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Its the only reason why he would even be there at 25 because he has been lockdown in college.

 

Yeah but McDermott and Beane put a premium on physical talent in the 1st round. I don't see a short armed CB being the pick under any circumstances.

 

[John from Riverside]

 

[Tanoros]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

To all those saying the Bills need a corner, I 100% agree. But McDuffie and McCreary with their alligator arms are reaches and questionable fits for a zone scheme. While I think Kyler Gordon is a back half of round 1 talent the consensus seems to disagree. 

 

So what do the Bills do if the top 3 corners are off the board by #25? Trade up to get one? Trade back to take one of the second tier guys where value fits better? Possibly. Brandon Beane says he is strict BPA. If that is true I very much doubt a corner ends up being that at #25 or #57. 

 

I think a corner is a major need and indeed that is the position I ultimately think the Bills end up taking in the 1st. But to do so either they reach or they move around the board. 

Maybe someone will want to trade up with us to jump Chiefs and Packers to select a qb? 
 

I also really like Gordon, and would love to see him with us. 

[freddyjj]

9 hours ago, Tanoros said:

Maybe someone will want to trade up with us to jump Chiefs and Packers to select a qb? 
 

I also really like Gordon, and would love to see him with us. 

Why trade ahead of those two teams, neither of whom would take a QB?  Even Jax at top of Rd 2 doesn't need a QB.  

 

Granted, getting a QB low in Rd 1 assures 5th year option. 

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Why trade ahead of those two teams, neither of whom would take a QB?  Even Jax at top of Rd 2 doesn't need a QB.  

 

Granted, getting a QB low in Rd 1 assures 5th year option. 

 

Yea it is finding a team with the need and the ammunition thats tough. Detroit has a need but also already has #32. I suppose if they don't take one with #2 could they want to jump Tampa? Maybe. 

 

Carolina has a need no second rounder. 

Seattle and Atlanta are options if the Bills are willing to slide all the way down to #40. 

[JaCrispy]

21 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Do you think it likely that the Bills would consider a small trade up in round 1 to nab a CB?

I could see us leaping over New England if Booth falls...maybe a 3rd rounder could get us to #19...

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I could see us leaping over New England if Booth falls...maybe a 3rd rounder could get us to #19...

Booth is someone I could see us trading up for…

[Beerball]

On 3/25/2022 at 8:14 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

If Olave is there at 25 it's a no brainer. I expect he'll go earlier, but I'd love, love, love this pick and I don't think he is someone the Bills could pass by.

[Aussie Joe]

Tom Brady laughs at the thought of the Bucs drafting a QB round 1 this year…

 

An immediate contributor will be the pick in the search for another ring…

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Seattle and Atlanta are options if the Bills are willing to slide all the way down to #40. 

 

I would trade down with Seattle only if they gave us both of their 2nds (40 and 41). The draft value chart says we'd get a significantly higher value in that trade, but we'd be giving up a 5th year option and trade ups for QBs always carry more value. If they offer that package to jump ahead of TB for a QB I'd do it in a heartbeat. It seems that the players picked between 25 and 50 will all have very similar draft grades. I would love to grab two of those players and draft some combination of CB and WR and OL by the time round 2 is over.

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would trade down with Seattle only if they gave us both of their 2nds (40 and 41). The draft value chart says we'd get a significantly higher value in that trade, but we'd be giving up a 5th year option and trade ups for QBs always carry more value. If they offer that package to jump ahead of TB for a QB I'd do it in a heartbeat. It seems that the players picked between 25 and 50 will all have very similar draft grades. I would love to grab two of those players and draft some combination of CB and WR and OL by the time round 2 is over.

Would love it, but I think the trade value is too much in Bills’ favor for Seattle to be interested.  

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Would love it, but I think the trade value is too much in Bills’ favor for Seattle to be interested.  

 

Yeah we'd probably have to throw something else in. But I wouldn't trade out of the 1st unless it was really worth our while. As long as Allen is here he's going to take up a lot of cap space, so 5th year options will be especially valuable to us for the next 15 years.

[mannc]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would trade down with Seattle only if they gave us both of their 2nds (40 and 41). The draft value chart says we'd get a significantly higher value in that trade, but we'd be giving up a 5th year option and trade ups for QBs always carry more value. If they offer that package to jump ahead of TB for a QB I'd do it in a heartbeat. It seems that the players picked between 25 and 50 will all have very similar draft grades. I would love to grab two of those players and draft some combination of CB and WR and OL by the time round 2 is over.

I like it, but it would be the first trade down of Beane’s career…I can’t see it happening. And Seattle really needs those second round picks…if they like a QB, they’ll draft one at 13.

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, mannc said:

I like it, but it would be the first trade down of Beane’s career…I can’t see it happening. And Seattle really needs those second round picks…if they like a QB, they’ll draft one at 13.

Im sure Beane traded down last year … Day 3 mind you…

 

Edited March 26, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[Tanoros]

7 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Why trade ahead of those two teams, neither of whom would take a QB?  Even Jax at top of Rd 2 doesn't need a QB.  

 

Granted, getting a QB low in Rd 1 assures 5th year option. 

I mean to say wr, but totally mistyped that. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah we'd probably have to throw something else in. But I wouldn't trade out of the 1st unless it was really worth our while. As long as Allen is here he's going to take up a lot of cap space, so 5th year options will be especially valuable to us for the next 15 years.

 

Maybe trade back into the late first round then? The team is in win now mode. Land two day one starters in this draft both with cheap rookie deals and the 5th year option. It would cost us our first round pick next year and bit more but it gets us that extra win now player immediately rather then waiting another year to get that guy.

[mannc]

26 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Im sure Beane traded down last year … Day 3 mind you…

 

I don’t recall that…

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t recall that…

I watched like 90 percent of the three days last year

[DrW]

14 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t recall that…

 

Texans and Bills: The Texans traded the No. 203 and No. 212 picks to the Bills for the No. 174 pick.

With 203 the Bills selected Stevenson, with 212 Wildgoose.

[No_Matter_What]

Great work as as always @GunnerBill. Couple of my comments:

 

Its obvious that you like Booth but you seem to be in a minority. He seems to be falling down a lot. Tankathon (whose board is imo just a combination/compilation of other boards) already has him at 29 (he was around 10-15 two months ago), and from recent mocks Zierlein has him at 25 to Bills, NBS at 29, WalterFootbal at 30, Reuter and Sportingnews have him at 31, and Jeremiah and Kiper don't even have him in first. I think I still saw him somewhere at 13 to Browns but can't find it now.

 

So all in all, you seem to value him much higher than consensus.

 

As for guards, you have two of them in the first round. I think you always say that you'd draft guards in the first round if they are top talents only - does in mean that these two are that good or that Chargers/Pats will reach for them? Would you pick any of them for Bills (if Booth/Olave are both gone)?

 

As for Tampa, I agree with @Aussie Bill that they are not taking QB. Brady is no Rodgers, and I really think they will try to win one more and won't care about future that much.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would trade down with Seattle only if they gave us both of their 2nds (40 and 41). The draft value chart says we'd get a significantly higher value in that trade, but we'd be giving up a 5th year option and trade ups for QBs always carry more value. If they offer that package to jump ahead of TB for a QB I'd do it in a heartbeat. It seems that the players picked between 25 and 50 will all have very similar draft grades. I would love to grab two of those players and draft some combination of CB and WR and OL by the time round 2 is over.

 

What if they wanted #25 and #89 for #40 & #41 (which makes the overpay more marginal and more if a standard overpay). That would give the Bills three in the first 57. Would you do that?

 

It would depend on who was on the board at #25 for me. 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

Trade up to 7 with the Giants have your pick of the best WR or best CB.  

 

 

The 25th and next years first which will be the 32nd pick anyway.  

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Great work as as always @GunnerBill. Couple of my comments:

 

Its obvious that you like Booth but you seem to be in a minority. He seems to be falling down a lot. Tankathon (whose board is imo just a combination/compilation of other boards) already has him at 29 (he was around 10-15 two months ago), and from recent mocks Zierlein has him at 25 to Bills, NBS at 29, WalterFootbal at 30, Reuter and Sportingnews have him at 31, and Jeremiah and Kiper don't even have him in first. I think I still saw him somewhere at 13 to Browns but can't find it now.

 

So all in all, you seem to value him much higher than consensus.

 

As for guards, you have two of them in the first round. I think you always say that you'd draft guards in the first round if they are top talents only - does in mean that these two are that good or that Chargers/Pats will reach for them? Would you pick any of them for Bills (if Booth/Olave are both gone)?

 

As for Tampa, I agree with @Aussie Bill that they are not taking QB. Brady is no Rodgers, and I really think they will try to win one more and won't care about future that much.

 

 

 

I don't believe in drafting guards in the first. I can make an argument for it with the Chargers because I am really struggling for holes on their team. New England are a team that have drafred guard high before...  I just think that feels Belichickian. He doesn't think the rules apply to him. 

 

I know I am higher than the consensus on Booth. I don't care. I think his tape is outstanding. I am not completely on my own, The Draft Network guys agree with me, but I know a lot of the talking heads are lower. I don't see anyway he gets out of the first, if he is there at #25 he is absolutely the guy the Bills should select and I think they would. 

 

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What if they wanted #25 and #89 for #40 & #41 (which makes the overpay more marginal and more if a standard overpay). That would give the Bills three in the first 57. Would you do that?

 

It would depend on who was on the board at #25 for me. 

 

If Olave or Jameson Williams or Booth were there I would not trade down regardless, those are the 3 players that I consider to be long shots but possibly available at 25. None of the other players I've seen mocked to the Bills would stop me from accepting three picks between 40 and 57, even with no other picks until 130. That would allow us to fill 3 needs with players that are more likely to have an impact this year. I do kind of hate losing the 5th year option but more chances at impact players is enticing.

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If Olave or Jameson Williams or Booth were there I would not trade down regardless, those are the 3 players that I consider to be long shots but possibly available at 25. None of the other players I've seen mocked to the Bills would stop me from accepting three picks between 40 and 57, even with no other picks until 130. That would allow us to fill 3 needs with players that are more likely to have an impact this year. I do kind of hate losing the 5th year option but more chances at impact players is enticing.

 

Definitely with you on those 3. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

50 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Trade up to 7 with the Giants have your pick of the best WR or best CB.  

 

 

The 25th and next years first which will be the 32nd pick anyway.  

 

Hmm. I get that you could do worse than Keyshawn Johnson but you can do a good deal better as well. I'd hope he would be more like Mike Evans. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Hmm. I get that you could do worse than Keyshawn Johnson but you can do a good deal better as well. I'd hope he would be more like Mike Evans. 

 

He isn't as physically dominant as Evans.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He isn't as physically dominant as Evans.

 

Hopefully he is a much better version of Keyshawn then. 

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Hopefully he is a much better version of Keyshawn then. 

Keyshawn Johnson was very good.  The Bills would be doing well to get that level of player with the 25th pick.

[Aurelius]

I’d like to see the Bills address the CB at all costs in free agency with a #2 CB.  Can not rely on a premium guy to fill a starting spot at that position in this particular draft at #25.  Doing so will allow the Bills to choose the best player avaiLable in most rounds, whether or not the Bates deal gets done or not. 

[Magox]

My hopes are the Bills draft something like this:

 

Round 1 WR

Round 2 CB

Round 3 CB

Round 4 IOL

Round 5 IOL

 

There are really good WR’s to be had in the first round, potentially Diggs replacement in a couple years.

[billrooter]

Love that first round pick, I also like Dotson  alot as well. The receiver position seems to be loaded once again this year.

[hondo in seattle]

Since I don't follow college ball, I have nothing useful to add to this topic.

 

I just want to say that I'm both amused and embarrassed that a 'gooner' from London knows more about American college ball than I do.

Thanks for doing this, GB.