78thealltimegreat Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 One other thing about the Pats they have had an incredibly favorable schedule as all their “hard” opponents have been at home. Other then San Diego and no one knows what team shows up week to week there. They’ve played every major opponent in Foxboro. This is really their first major road test of the entire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Nah mate. Tyler Bass is money. He is the only starting kicker in the league to be 100% on PATs. He and Folk have both missed 3 FGs (all long range), but Bass-o-matic has the edge on PATs. oh please don’t… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 19 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Here we are ! After this last Pats win, i want to compare the Bills and the Pats in every aspect and see what you think about. - HC: pats - QB: Bills - RB: pats (with Brida maybe even) - OL: pats - DL: bills - WR corps: Bills - CORNERS & SAFETIES: Bills - KICKER: Bills - SP TEAM: even ? Maybe i forgot to consider some other aspect, if so feel free to add or correct me. That’s the way i see things in this next matchup. To me, the most important thing McDermott and Daboll have to do, is to find a way to give Josh more time to throw and involve Knox much more, because to me Knox is not at Gronk or Kelce level, but to me is a very good TE. Corners are def pats.... Rbs with Breida still Pats by a mile DL Pats - barmore is a beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 One thing is certain, Frazier will have the perfect game plan to stop K'Neal Harry and Agholor even if it means giving up 300 yards rushing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 19 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: but the question I have is both D weakness is the run. The Pats will stick with it, will the Bills? Today was an example how bad the Pats run D can be. Shriley you jest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Riv Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Dude, it’s “on you” to make a good argument and state it clearly. If your argument is that their LBs have been playing lights-out this season and have a lot of experience in this system, that’s fine - but that’s not what you said (or reiterated above, in the form of “all the hardware on their fingers” - as someone on the SB years Steelers said “take those off and put them on the shelf, boys, they won’t help us this year”) AS far as “number one scoring defense”, the Patriots are allowing an average of 15.3 PPG after today. The Bills are allowing an average of 15.2 PPG. 🤷♂️ I’m puzzled by the reference to “individual stats”, since I did not mention individual stats. Is this a pure straw man, or are you responding to someone else without the extra work of quoting them? Defensive PPG, unless I'm missing something: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-stats?season=2021&category=defense Their Defense has been outstanding the last 2 months, they have players with fat resume's, lots of hardware, etc. that have been leading the way. What I stated above involves a fair amount of implied information that anyone watching the sport and knowledgeable would acknowledge, rather than ask for it to be stated.... So dude, that part is "on you". This is overly common on message boards, I prefer face to face over wings and beers. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 19 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Here we are ! After this last Pats win, i want to compare the Bills and the Pats in every aspect and see what you think about. - HC: pats - QB: Bills - RB: pats (with Brida maybe even) - OL: pats - DL: bills - WR corps: Bills - CORNERS & SAFETIES: Bills - KICKER: Bills - SP TEAM: even ? Maybe i forgot to consider some other aspect, if so feel free to add or correct me. That’s the way i see things in this next matchup. To me, the most important thing McDermott and Daboll have to do, is to find a way to give Josh more time to throw and involve Knox much more, because to me Knox is not at Gronk or Kelce level, but to me is a very good TE. My disagreements: QB - this is a push at best right now based on Jones play and stats during the 6 game win streak vs. Allen. Obviously if Allen can find consistency the rest of the season it's an advantage back to him. DL - this is Pats easily if anything because they get actual sacks and in bunches. DB/S - probably a push now with White out. Jackson is a star there and their safeties are nasty too. K - I'd go with Folk because of his resume until Bass hits some big kicks to win a game which may have to happen in the next few weeks. ST - Pats - another situation I'm concerned about coming up with our problems at kick returner. This Pats team is just very strong across the board especially in the areas the Bills have the biggest weaknessess in in the trenches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: QB - this is a push at best right now TBD : I bet FilthyBeast can't post anything that tops his past ridiculous, trolling, garbage! FilthyBeast : Hold my beer... Edited November 29, 2021 by HereComesTheReignAgain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 44 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: My disagreements: QB - this is a push at best right now based on Jones play and stats during the 6 game win streak vs. Allen. Obviously if Allen can find consistency the rest of the season it's an advantage back to him. DL - this is Pats easily if anything because they get actual sacks and in bunches. DB/S - probably a push now with White out. Jackson is a star there and their safeties are nasty too. K - I'd go with Folk because of his resume until Bass hits some big kicks to win a game which may have to happen in the next few weeks. ST - Pats - another situation I'm concerned about coming up with our problems at kick returner. This Pats team is just very strong across the board especially in the areas the Bills have the biggest weaknessess in in the trenches. Ok… based on your lines it seem it will be a massacre… something like 40-10/17 Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Over what time frame? This season, he’s attempted 5 more FG than Bass. He’s missed 2 vs 3 for Bass, giving him a slightly higher FG% at present. But then, he’s 26 of 30 on XP attempts whereas so far so good, Bass is 34 of 34 on XPs I wouldn’t mind calling it a push Bass has 3 misses. 2 from 50 plus and one from 49. All in bad weather/wind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 21 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: CB/Safety is even maybe Pats with your top CB out. Kicker — again I’d go even Folk been amazing.. RB — Pats even w Brieda. but the question I have is both D weakness is the run. The Pats will stick with it, will the Bills? Today was an example how bad the Pats run D can be. There is a difference of sticking with the run when running is being effective and when its not. If you're down two scores and running the football has left you in third and long all day... Do you still stick with the run? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I mean isn't that just that the Pats have asked him to try more? Basically they are both guaranteed from inside the 50. Folk has been a top 5 kicker this year. Bass has been the best in the NFL. The oline isn't "edge" Patriots. That is a landslide Patriots. Can we wait to see how they look with Brown back, or do we need to judge our OL missing it’s starting LG and RT? Feliciano is a slight upgrade, but Brown is massive in what he does for two positions. HC - Pats QB - Bills OL - Pats RB - Even TE - Even WR - Bills DL - Even LB - Bills CB - Pats S - Bills ST - Even Edited November 29, 2021 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: There is a difference of sticking with the run when running is being effective and when its not. If you're down two scores and running the football has left you in third and long all day... Do you still stick with the run? I think not. Well, that's basically Daboll's philosophy. We'll try to run and if it doesn't work we'll pass The point that Dungy and Simms and others are making is that you need to keep trying, because if you keep trying teams keep defending it. Objectively, the Bills run game was not that effective against NO - we ran 32 times for 113 yds or 3.5 ypa - there was a point during the game where it was 2.9 ypa!!!! But the point is - because we kept trying, NO had to keep defending it. They couldn't say "Ha! They won't run!" and pin their ears back showing 7 rushers then dropping 3 into coverage but overloading the R side of the line with 4. Just like teams will keep showing Blitz0 until we beat it with either a deep throw to the center of the field or an effective screen - teams will keep trying those stunts and twists where they overload one side of the line and leave the other side looking to work - but if they overload the R side and leave the L side open and we run for 14 yds up the L side - oh then whups we can't do that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: Can we wait to see how they look with Brown back, or do we need to judge our OL missing it’s starting LG and RT? Feliciano is a slight upgrade, but Brown is massive in what he does for two positions. HC - Pats QB - Bills OL - Pats RB - Even TE - Even WR - Bills DL - Even LB - Bills CB - Pats S - Bills ST - Even I think this is pretty accurate, but i think New England's backs are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, that's basically Daboll's philosophy. We'll try to run and if it doesn't work we'll pass The point that Dungy and Simms and others are making is that you need to keep trying, because if you keep trying teams keep defending it. Objectively, the Bills run game was not that effective against NO - we ran 32 times for 113 yds or 3.5 ypa - there was a point during the game where it was 2.9 ypa!!!! But the point is - because we kept trying, NO had to keep defending it. They couldn't say "Ha! They won't run!" and pin their ears back showing 7 rushers then dropping 3 into coverage but overloading the R side of the line with 4. Just like teams will keep showing Blitz0 until we beat it with either a deep throw to the center of the field or an effective screen - teams will keep trying those stunts and twists where they overload one side of the line and leave the other side looking to work - but if they overload the R side and leave the L side open and we run for 14 yds up the L side - oh then whups we can't do that. I agree but its different when you keep trying and you are down two scores compared to when you are even or up two scores. There are other things you can do to keep a defense guessing then just straight up trying to run the football to go along with that. If the Bills were banging the football on first down every down and they barely got a yard each time... I don't want them to keep doing that just to do it. Mostly my problem with Daboll is he doesn't mix well usually. Its usually a case of hey this worked so keep doing it until it doesn't. There wasn't any surprise most of the time. I liked mostly of what I seen in the NO game though. Edited November 29, 2021 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 21 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: No but he has hit 10 more FG than your kicker.. thus why I said even. so in other words NE is bad in the red zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: so in other words NE is bad in the red zone Well we do have a rookie QB. I rather he throw it away and get 3 than try squeeze it in and get a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: so in other words NE is bad in the red zone Well, it would be nice if the Bills had a few more FG and a few less picks from within FG range or close to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, it would be nice if the Bills had a few more FG and a few less picks from within FG range or close to it That is true. Other than last week technically none were in the red zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 16 hours ago, Maine-iac said: SP TEAMS when was the last time the Pats had a punt blocked for a TD or fumbled a kickoff? Fumbled kickoff IDK, but Gunnar Olzewski fumbled a punt vs Carolina (he recovered) Jake Bailey (punter) had punts blocked against NOR and Dallas. New Orleans got into short FG range but no good. Dallas got into the endzone, but the refs overturned the TD Does the block only count if it leads to a TD and the fumble only count if it's a kickoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: so in other words NE is bad in the red zone New England does not punt very often. Their drives are frequently ending in points. Haack has 5 less punts than Bailey and we have also played one less game. Its testament that Mac Jones is doing enough in that offense to sustain long drives and put up points, something I was highly skeptical that he could do. The past few weeks he has strung together scoring drives where they are going 80 yards for TDs. Admittedly, I have watched very little New England this year but the play-by-play reads like death by a million paper cuts. I fear we will be watching a repeat of the Tennessee game where our D perpetually faces 3rd and 5 and the QB does just enough to get one more first down and racks up YAC when defenses get overly aggressive. We will need some pressure up the middle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 5:20 PM, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I think Judon gives them a slight edge As a Raven, we saw Judon give Allen hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/28/2021 at 1:47 PM, GunnerBill said: I think Dline and Secondary are pretty even and down Tre I might even edge towards New England in the secondary. I think the Pats Dline is much better than the Bills. On 11/28/2021 at 2:32 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: The Patriots play a 3-4 base D (3 DL and 4 LB). Judon’s responsibilities as an OLB in that 3-4 are more analogous to a DE in a 4-3. Judon is a great player. I coveted him in FA. How do the Bills contain him and slow him down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Jauronimo said: New England does not punt very often. Their drives are frequently ending in points. Haack has 5 less punts than Bailey and we have also played one less game. Its testament that Mac Jones is doing enough in that offense to sustain long drives and put up points, something I was highly skeptical that he could do. The past few weeks he has strung together scoring drives where they are going 80 yards for TDs. Admittedly, I have watched very little New England this year but the play-by-play reads like death by a million paper cuts. I fear we will be watching a repeat of the Tennessee game where our D perpetually faces 3rd and 5 and the QB does just enough to get one more first down and racks up YAC when defenses get overly aggressive. We will need some pressure up the middle. I'm thinking the same thing. Right now, the Patriot offense is playing very well. Their balance of run to pass is excellent and Jones is very efficient and accurate with his short throws. Their offense poses a difficult challenge for the Bills. As for the Bills offense, I believe they have to have a slightly different game plan. Keep the Pats off balance and limit their pass rush. If they fail to try to run or can't run the Pats will T off on Allen. Run some screens and quick slants, roll out Allen, use Brieda in the open field, and find Knox early and often. I think Diggs will be doubled and taken out of the game. Allen has to take care of the ball and not force things. Also, lets see how Allen starts off the game. A few games he's been really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 If you want to look at the take Patriots.com has on this https://www.patriots.com/news/game-preview-patriots-at-bills-x5737 They lost me here: Quote But when it comes to traditional running, Devin Singletary, Zack Moss and newcomer Greg Breida haven't been consistently productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Matthew Judon is a handful plus! This will come down to mistakes. The Bills make them regularly and the Pats do not! They need to clean up penalties and turnovers. Penalties have been a problem for the last several years as have fumbles. Josh needs to protect the ball when running and throwing. He has has several games with uncharacteristic interceptions. If they make mistakes, the Pats will eat them alive. If they don't they should pull it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 12:49 AM, In Summary said: As a Raven, we saw Judon give Allen hell. He pretty much did during the 2019 game when we had brilliant ideas such as having rookie Dawson Knox block him 1:1, leading to a strip sack Or possibly, that was lack of brilliant ideas on how to adjust the blocking for wherever Judon went He did get a sack and a hit on Allen during the playoff game last season, but I dont remember him being a (relatively speaking) a factor On the other hand, he's having the best season in his career this year, so hopefully the Bills are paying attention and have a plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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