OldTimer1960 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: A few plays yes. But 0 Sacks and a lot of time in the pocket for the majority of the time in my opinion Should we start with 0 sacks? Or 1 sack if you really wanna consider star pushing Heneicki out of bounds for a half yard loss They were more worried about Heineke running than throwing, so played accordingly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Edmunds because he's the defensive captain. And just to make haters twitch. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Im honestly don’t know how you missed Heinicke under duress all day. He was running around like crazy because of the pressure. It's like he's equating being under pressure to being sacked. He was either under pressure or he wasn't. He was. This is not a subjective subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: They were more worried about Heineke running than throwing, so played accordingly. He had a rushing touchdown and a few descent scrambles. 2 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said: It's like he's equating being under pressure to being sacked. He was either under pressure or he wasn't. He was. This is not a subjective subject. actually It really is and it's a matter of opinion Lol. what you can't argue is facts and the fact is they didn't get a legit sack. I don't think he was pressured much at all. Some plays? Ya for sure. But not consistently. 4 minutes ago, Simon said: I thought he spent a significant portion of the day off his spot because of interior pressure I appreciate your response. I didn't see it that way so we'll have to agree to disagree. Some plays for sure but not consistently Edited September 26, 2021 by BillsFan130 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I disagree. 0 sacks at the end of the day. And I am not even trying to be negative here. Milano and the secondary were outstanding. I just don't think the D line got any consistent pressure You disagree that Heinecke made some great athletic plays to escape pressure and avoid being sacked? You disagree that the D line forced him into hurried passes and a poor decisions at times? Your and I watched different football games I guess. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, K-9 said: You disagree that Heinecke made some great athletic plays to escape pressure and avoid being sacked? You disagree that the D line forced him into hurried passes and a poor decisions at times? Your and I watched different football games I guess. Some plays, absolutely. But not consistently at all. And 0 sacks to top it off. That's a fact you can't argue. (Not counting the half a loss push out of bounds by star) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Some plays, absolutely. But not consistently at all. And 0 sacks to top it off. That's a fact you can't argue. (Not counting the half a loss push out of bounds by star) So, the ONLY indicator of a D line having an effective game is sacks. Got it. And this conversation is over. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, K-9 said: So, the ONLY indicator of a D line having an effective game is sacks. Got it. And this conversation is over. Nope. I didn't say that. But it's definitely a metric. How can you say sacks don't matter in terms of judging pass rush?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, BillsFan130 said: Nope. I didn't say that. But it's definitely a metric. How can you say sacks don't matter in terms of judging pass rush?.. So you the you believe AJ Epenesa didn’t play well against the Dolphins last week? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Nope. I didn't say that. But it's definitely a metric. How can you say sacks don't matter in terms of judging pass rush?.. FFS, I didn’t say sacks don’t matter. I said other things matter as well. If you can’t appreciate the difference, what can I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So you the you believe AJ Epenesa didn’t play well against the Dolphins last week? He played amazing. And had 0 sacks. Did you notice the bills had 6 sacks last week and 0 today though? Pass rush is about a unit. Not about an individual player. Thank you for proving my point 1 minute ago, K-9 said: FFS, I didn’t say sacks don’t matter. I said other things matter as well. If you can’t appreciate the difference, what can I say. Well 0 sacks is a fact which is a big metric. And in my opinion there were some pressures but not consistently Edited September 26, 2021 by BillsFan130 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: He played amazing. And had 0 sacks. Did you notice the bills had 6 sacks last week and 0 today though? Pass rush is about a unit. Not abort an individual player. Thank you for proving my point Well 0 sacks is a fact which is a big metric. And in my opinion there were some pressures but not consistently Dude, holy crap. This contradicts your whole point. You are saying if there’s no sacks, they weren’t good. So if we use your philosophy, the Bills DL played great but AJ didn’t because he didn’t have any sacks against Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Allen Milano Hyde Poyer Sanders Moss EDIT: and of course Knox Gotta have Beasley in there somewhere. He was huge today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: He played amazing. And had 0 sacks. Did you notice the bills had 6 sacks last week and 0 today though? Pass rush is about a unit. Not about an individual player. Thank you for proving my point Well 0 sacks is a fact which is a big metric. And in my opinion there were some pressures but not consistently Are you really choosing to die on this hill? A hill that disregards EVERY other aspect of D line play? Good luck with that astute display of football knowledge. It’s been fun. 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Gotta have Beasley in there somewhere. He was huge today. Yep. Beasley was a real “shot in the arm” for the offense today. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Everyone but the wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, K-9 said: You disagree that Heinecke made some great athletic plays to escape pressure and avoid being sacked? You disagree that the D line forced him into hurried passes and a poor decisions at times? Your and I watched different football games I guess. He looks like a younger version of Fitz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, K-9 said: You disagree that Heinecke made some great athletic plays to escape pressure and avoid being sacked? You disagree that the D line forced him into hurried passes and a poor decisions at times? Your and I watched different football games I guess. The D line was fine. It didn't generate sacks but the pressure was there. Plus, Hienke and that offense is based on quick drops and throws. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Are you really choosing to die on this hill? A hill that disregards EVERY other aspect of D line play? Good luck with that astute display of football knowledge. It’s been fun. The Bucs defense wasn’t that good in the Super Bowl. They only got 3 sacks. Just now, newcam2012 said: The D line was fine. It didn't generate sacks but the pressure was there. Plus, Hienke and that offense is based on quick drops and throws. Pressure was all day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Dude, holy crap. This contradicts your whole point. You are saying if there’s no sacks, they weren’t good. So if we use your philosophy, the Bills DL played great but AJ didn’t because he didn’t have any sacks against Miami. AJ didn't get any sacks but he caused other sacks because : 1. He was dominant and forced pressure to other lanes. 2. The d line got sacks because they were getting pressure from all angles. what's confusing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Williams should get a game ball for having Chase Young 1 on 1 all game and keeping him overall in check. He got close a few times, but overall a great job Funny how the OLine does it’s thing, and all of a sudden Josh looks like Josh again. What a coincidence! . Edited September 26, 2021 by Augie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Game Ball to the TE Academy for turning Knox into guy who can catch "most" balls thrown to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Are you really choosing to die on this hill? A hill that disregards EVERY other aspect of D line play? Good luck with that astute display of football knowledge. It’s been fun. Yep. Beasley was a real “shot in the arm” for the offense today. I'm not dying on any hill bud. They got 0 sacks which is a fact. And they didn't get consistent pressure which is my opinion. And you disagree in saying they got consistent pressure, which is fine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I'm handing out game balls to all of the fairweather Allen fans speaking of his demise after a shaky two weeks to start the year behind a shaky OL. Deflate just enough to fit into your pie holes, then shove it back until the gag reflex kicks in. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, TBBills said: Game Ball to the TE Academy for turning Knox into guy who can catch "most" balls thrown to him. I think he has caught every target this year so far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I think he has caught every target this year so far I mean he had that one that was nearly INT today but I'm not sure that one was on him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: AJ didn't get any sacks but he caused other sacks because : 1. He was dominant and forced pressure to other lanes. 2. The d line got sacks because they were getting pressure from all angles. what's confusing here? Yes, which happened today since Heinicke was pressured all day. The only difference is Heinicke is more athletic that Jacoby Brissett. Heinicke’s athleticism got him out of multiple sacks today, something Brissett couldn’t do. Its not just me, multiple people are wondering what game you were watching. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he has caught every target this year so far He had one today that was slightly behind him and he couldn't reel it in. Almost turned into a pick 'n' go off the deflection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: I'm not dying on any hill bud. They got 0 sacks which is a fact. And they didn't get consistent pressure which is my opinion. And you disagree in saying they got consistent pressure, which is fine. Did the D line play well and have a good game or not? The screen pass aside, every play Heinecke made that hurt us, (and there were precious few for Washington today) was AFTER he escaped pressure with his athleticism. So credit to Heinecke. And NO shame on the D line. None. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I'm not dying on any hill bud. They got 0 sacks which is a fact. And they didn't get consistent pressure which is my opinion. And you disagree in saying they got consistent pressure, which is fine. Name two plays the entire game that Heinicke just stood there with good blocking and a lot of time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes, which happened today since Heinicke was pressured all day. The only difference is Heinicke is more athletic that Jacoby Brissett. Heinicke’s athleticism got him out of multiple sacks today, something Brissett couldn’t do. Its not just me, multiple people are wondering what game you were watching. Many people also agree with me bud. I got 4 people on one post who gave me the agree emoji so it's a matter of opinion. All good man, we'll agree to disagree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Moss has been showing up since last week's fumble. The balanced approach was excellent today. Well done to Daboll for play calling and Allen for letting the run plays happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Name two plays the entire game that Heinicke just stood there with good blocking and a lot of time. 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Name two plays the entire game that Heinicke just stood there with good blocking and a lot of time. 2nd and 10 3:17 left in the 2nd quarter. And 2:35 in the 3rd quarter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawolv Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 58 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: /ST’s Exactly... this was a great team effort on both sides of the ball.... except for ST's. Isiah running into his own man, the punting, penalties etc. Hard to be mad though... gonna be a great week and cant wait for next Sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Name two plays the entire game that Heinicke just stood there with good blocking and a lot of time. Heinecke had no time most of the day, and that was with a play design that called for him to get rid of it quickly. Like I said, I’m not sure what game BF130 was watching. Sounds like he was just pissed that they couldn’t get Heinecke on the ground. Maybe he had the over 3 sack prop bet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Did the D line play well and have a good game or not? The screen pass aside, every play Heinecke made that hurt us, (and there were precious few for Washington today) was AFTER he escaped pressure with his athleticism. So credit to Heinecke. And NO shame on the D line. None. No I don't think they played well. Its all good. We are allowed to disagree. Bills played great today and it was a great game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seannc Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Williams should get a game ball for having Chase Young 1 on 1 all game and keeping him overall in check. He got close a few times, but overall a great job Absolutely. Nice to see Williams back on track. And I thought Dawkins looked pretty good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Josh was lights out. Super glad I NBC an put my ptsd to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said: Many people also agree with me bud. I got 4 people on one post who gave me the agree emoji so it's a matter of opinion. All good man, we'll agree to disagree It’s less a matter of opinion than it is a matter of understanding the game we all watched. But good for you, four people as clueless agree with you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: 2nd and 10 3:17 left in the 2nd quarter. And 2:35 in the 3rd quarter Liar. Farce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, BillsFan130 said: 2nd and 10 3:17 left in the 2nd quarter. And 2:35 in the 3rd quarter He threw the ball 24 times, you’re right….unacceptable. Let me ask you something, what do you believe is a good pressure percentage? Honestly. 85%-90%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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