Week 2: Bills at Dolphins

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

I think the thing the biggest difference in the Steelers game would have been made by bring a back into the backfield strictly for doubling Heyward.   As in not allowing the back to ever do anything except double him.    Or, had some other scheme to see that he was doubled every single time he was on the field.

 

Heyward destroyed his opponent many times when he was singled.  It was usually Feliciano.   Massive mismatch.   Steelers were licking their chops.    Heyward was twice the factor that any other Steelers defensive lineman was.      If the Bills had successfully blocked Heyward the entire game, (I know that is fantasy), then Allen would have been a lot more effective passing.    We simply allowed WAY too much pressure up the middle.   That is how you defeat every excellent passer in this league.    Pressure up the middle.  Steelers didn't even need to blitz to do it.   They did it when Heyward was one on one.   

 

It sounds laughable, but it is possible that the Steelers could have had an effective pass rush with just Heyward out there and everyone else on the line just standing there holding their hands up to disrupt passing lanes. 

 

Yea, I agree with all of this.  

 

Even more insane is we saw Buckner, Heyward and Jones demolish our interior OL last year, brought back (mostly) the same OL, and then seemed completely unprepared for one of those same guys Week One.  

[PolishDave]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Yea, I agree with all of this.  

 

Even more insane is we saw Buckner, Heyward and Jones demolish our interior OL last year, brought back (mostly) the same OL, and then seemed completely unprepared for one of those same guys Week One.  

 

I envision the Steelers going over film from the previous game against Buffalo going, next time we play them, this is what we are going to do.   If they keep doing what they are doing, we will eat them alive.    And they did.

 

But I have a good imagination.😆

[PolishDave]

5 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Which is why Beane hopefully improves the OL this offseason. I know the Bills scored over 500 points last year but I still would like them to be more balanced on offense. Think Cleveland. Mayfield while not as good as Allen can still make all the throws but they can also run the ball down your throat with Chubb. Granted the Bills don't have a RB as talented as him. If teams had to respect the Bills run game then think of how much more dangerous the Bills passing game would be. A better OL goes a long way in accomplishing this.

Without a doubt.

 

I don't think Beane values the offensive line positions as much as some of us do.    He would rather focus on flashier positions.

 

I wish we had a real beast to rush the A gaps on defense.   And I wish we had a whole bunch of beasts on the offensive line who were capable of routinely pancaking and overpowering their opponents.

 

Bills need consistently and significantly above average offensive line play to win it all.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

I envision the Steelers going over film from the previous game against Buffalo going, next time we play them, this is what we are going to do.   If they keep doing what they are doing, we will eat them alive.    And they did.

 

But I have a good imagination.😆

 

I have no clue what we were thinking..  Maybe they thought Williams would shut down Watt again, so we could do what we did in the 2nd half last year with shifting resources toward Heyward.  Not sure why anyone would believe that's a sensible strategy, but I do have faith we'll get this worked out before we face WFT and KC's lines.  

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Which is why Beane hopefully improves the OL this offseason. I know the Bills scored over 500 points last year but I still would like them to be more balanced on offense. Think Cleveland. Mayfield while not as good as Allen can still make all the throws but they can also run the ball down your throat with Chubb. Granted the Bills don't have a RB as talented as him. If teams had to respect the Bills run game then think of how much more dangerous the Bills passing game would be. A better OL goes a long way in accomplishing this.

Agreed.  I was hoping that we would put some emphasis on improving our run game this season.  Adding a solid #1 TE that can block and is a weapon in the pass game would have been ideal so we can run some 2TE sets and switch things up and show different looks. Maybe Sweeney can be that guy?  Idk…..but running 44% of our plays in 4 or 5 wide is a recipe for disaster vs teams with a good front 7 

[eball]

SQUISH THE FISH!!!

 

That is all.  Carry on.

[teef]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

I agree with this.  

 

I expect us to win the division with whatever record that is that wins the divison.  

 

I don't expect us to be the #1 seed.  I think Beane was true to his belief of having a year in/year out contender this past offseason, but didn't make the moves to surpass Kansas City.  The only way we surpass them is if the DL is a wrecking unit and Josh Allen becomes the better QB to Mahomes.... I say better, because Mahomes has the most unstoppable 1-2 punch i've ever seen in the NFL with Hill stretching the field and Kelce occupying the underneath/middle. 

the bills just have to be competitive going into the playoffs.  with momentum and some luck, i think the bills could rifle through.  not just this year, but possible any year...or at least that the goal.  there's so much that has to happen to win the big game.  

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Hopefully, Allen won't miss another opportunity like this. This is tough to watch.

 

 

Why throw it deep to the old guy, Diggs would have caught it.

[Tiye65]

On 9/12/2021 at 8:39 PM, No Place To Hyde said:

Really bad first week

We are onto the Dolphins

At least Tua stinks

Actually he doesn't, unlike overrated Josh Jones, who should be good for an INT or three.

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, teef said:

the bills just have to be competitive going into the playoffs.  with momentum and some luck, i think the bills could rifle through.  not just this year, but possible any year...or at least that the goal.  there's so much that has to happen to win the big game.  

 

Yup, just get in and anything can happen.  

 

The 1 seed is such a monumental advantage now, it's crazy, but for the time being it seems all AFC roads go through Arrowhead.  

 

Hopefully the emergence of the other AFCW teams can ding up the KC armor. 

[DuckyBoys]

i dont think the bills place much value in the rb position  McDermott seems to be obsessed with pass rushers   Josh will lead the way again  Seems he destined to be a draft horse for this team  while others get to get by on mediocrity

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

59 minutes ago, Dan said:

This is the most troubling thing about the Steelers game, perhaps mostly because it’s not the first time an opponent has seemed to have our game plan figured out and when this happens; the coaches make zero in game adjustments.  After the loss they just say... we need to execute better.  
 

Yes various players played poorly.  But the coaching staff did nothing to help them out.    That is concerning to me. 

No argument from me there.  My guess is Dabol saw those missed deep shots that were there, and got hung up on execution as the problem.  Because we could block Watt 1v1 last year, we could give help against Heyward, kill off their interior Rush, and beat them to death with Diggs.  This year not so much.

 

Our OL like to initiate contact with DL using a single punch move, and they don't like to give up ground at the LoS. What should be super, glaringly, blindingly obvious by now, is that good opposition DL will avoid/swat the punch and attack a shoulder to make our OL shift their feet and give up ground.  Morse was athletic enough to recover a bit and slow people down, but Feliciano got turnstyled or flattened.

Eric from Cover 1's breakdown.

 

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

i dont think the bills place much value in the rb position  McDermott seems to be obsessed with pass rushers   Josh will lead the way again  Seems he destined to be a draft horse for this team  while others get to get by on mediocrity

 

I think that's good asset management, but his handling of the Guard positions hasn't been ideal.   It's not like we havent invested... Cody Ford was a high pick and we just re-signed Feliciano, but while I hold out hope for Ford, Feliciano really should be the backup G/C.

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Why throw it deep to the old guy, Diggs would have caught it.

A fan who was at the game mentioned that because the wind was up to 20 mph, it looked like it impacted the throw in that he put too much on it to account for that 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

A fan who was at the game mentioned that because the wind was up to 20 mph, it looked like it impacted the throw in that he put too much on it to account for that 

 

There's probably some merit to this comment but i'm dead inside when it comes to Buffalo Bills home games and the wind. 

[Royale with Cheese]

28 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Why throw it deep to the old guy, Diggs would have caught it.

Well the old guy was wide open…

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Well the old guy was wide open…

Exactly give Diggs that route.

[DuckyBoys]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I think that's good asset management, but his handling of the Guard positions hasn't been ideal.   It's not like we havent invested... Cody Ford was a high pick and we just re-signed Feliciano, but while I hold out hope for Ford, Feliciano really should be the backup G/C.

Fords clock has to be ticking  Hes been a disappointment   Need more nasty on the line  Wyatt Teller was a huge blunder

[Bangarang]

Just now, TBBills said:

Exactly give Diggs that route.

Or just complete passes to the guys who do get open?

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Or just complete passes to the guys who do get open?

He would have if Sanders could go more than half speed. Sanders was slowing down for some reason... Prob bc he is old.

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by TBBills

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Exactly give Diggs that route.

He does get that route.  He gets them all.  If Diggs is the only WR that gets seem routes, we become easy to defend if we only have one guy going downfield. 
 

The play worked, the execution didn’t.

[TBBills]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

He does get that route.  He gets them all.  If Diggs is the only WR that gets seem routes, we become easy to defend if we only have one guy going downfield. 
 

The play worked, the execution didn’t.

Sanders needed to not slow down...

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

He would have if Sanders could go more than half speed. Sanders was slowing down for some reason... Prob bc he is old.

 

No he wasn’t.  If Sanders isn’t fast as Diggs, Allen needs to adjust to that.

[TBBills]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

No he wasn’t.  If Sanders isn’t fast as Diggs, Allen needs to adjust to that.

Just sucks it looks like Sanders didn't even try. The ball was so close to him he could have reached out, that is why you don't throw deep to old guys though.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Sanders needed to not slow down...

It was an overthrow, it was a bad pass.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, TBBills said:

He would have if Sanders could go more than half speed. Sanders was slowing down for some reason... Prob bc he is old.

 

I blame myself for feeding an obvious troll

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Hopefully, Allen won't miss another opportunity like this. This is tough to watch.

 

 

Agree, slightly over threw it. If that connects I believe Bills win that game.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Just sucks it looks like Sanders didn't even try. The ball was so close to him he could have reached out, that is why you don't throw deep to old guys though.

Do you think Bruce Arians disagrees with throwing deep to old guys since Antonio Brown is about the same as Sanders?

[Patrick Duffy]

38 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Why throw it deep to the old guy, Diggs would have caught it.

How would he have caught it? It was an over thrown ball. Wasn't drastically over thrown, but was enough that made it out of reach. In that same scenario Diggs wouldn't have caught it either.

 

Unless he uses his "go go gadget legs" 

 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

6 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Fords clock has to be ticking  Hes been a disappointment   Need more nasty on the line  Wyatt Teller was a huge blunder

 

In hindsight, the Teller trade looks worse and worse.  But our OL coach, OC and HC arent exactly covering themselves in glory with what they're asking our OL to do.  It's something they can fix, by having our OL take less aggressive pass protection sets.  But what scares me is Dabolls lack of interest in the running game.  Benching Moss was arrogance, plain and simple.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

In hindsight, the Teller trade looks worse and worse.  But our OL coach, OC and HC arent exactly covering themselves in glory with what they're asking our OL to do.  It's something they can fix, by having our OL take less aggressive pass protection sets.  But what scares me is Dabolls lack of interest in the running game.  Benching Moss was arrogance, plain and simple.

The Teller trade allowed us to make the Diggs trade as by acquiring the extra picks for Teller we could move some of our picks for Diggs. We can cry about not having Teller but guess what? With Teller the Browns are 0-1 this year just like us. 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

talk about an over reaction lol. "A Team that laid an egg at home on opening day". Laid an egg? They were leading the game for 3 quarters. Did they miss a bunch of opportunities? Oh absolutely. Their o-line stunk against the best front 7 in football, and that was not great to see. Our offense doesnt match up well with the Steelers, and hasnt for three straight tries now. The difference in this game last sunday was the bounces and calls and big play (blocked punt) went the Steelers way instead of ours...but thats the game of football. 

 

Pump the brakes on your dire straits act bud. This is a fantastically loaded football team. I fully expect them to win Sunday (steelers game was 50/50 for me) and remain in the drivers seat for the division and one of the top two seeds in the AFC. 

 

*Also, your 0-2 teams only having 12% chance doesnt account for the fact that teams play an extra regular season game this year for the first time. Take a deep breath. 

I like the counter argument. I do believe we have an outstanding chance to win the divison by default. The Jets stink, Pats are average and Miami is decent. 

 

When you are a 6.5 point favorite at home on opening day and you score 10 points, have a "franchise QB" who goes for 30-51 for 270 with 1 lost fumble and 1 TD pass, an Oline that looked like Swiss cheese (the Steelers hardly ever blitzed), coaching calls, strategy, and preparation that was horrific offensively, lack of running game or threat, a debacle on special teams that led to a TD, etc. That's "laying an egg." No other way to put it. You can make all the excuses you want. Perhaps they are legitimate. Frankly. I don't believe you or most here thought this was a 50-50 game. Certainly, the Vegas experts didn't. What do they know?  To boot, the Bills were catching a revamped offense from the Steelers. A rookie RB, a suspect Oline, a new offensive coordinator, and an old Ben on the road. What more could the Bills ask for? 

I'm breathing just fine. I'm ok with my unpopular opinions and people disagreeing and even correcting my errors. 

In the end, we all want the same goal of the Bills hoisting that conveted trophy. Sunday they took a major step backwards and their defiencies were exposed. On to Miami...

I think thats fair to say. 

[PaattMaann]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I like the counter argument. I do believe we have an outstanding chance to win the divison by default. The Jets stink, Pats are average and Miami is decent. 

 

When you are a 6.5 point favorite at home on opening day and you score 10 points, have a "franchise QB" who goes for 30-51 for 270 with 1 lost fumble and 1 TD pass, an Oline that looked like Swiss cheese (the Steelers hardly ever blitzed), coaching calls, strategy, and preparation that was horrific offensively, lack of running game or threat, a debacle on special teams that led to a TD, etc. That's "laying an egg." No other way to put it. You can make all the excuses you want. Perhaps they are legitimate. Frankly. I don't believe you or most here thought this was a 50-50 game. Certainly, the Vegas experts didn't. What do they know?  To boot, the Bills were catching a revamped offense from the Steelers. A rookie RB, a suspect Oline, a new offensive coordinator, and an old Ben on the road. What more could the Bills ask for? 

I'm breathing just fine. I'm ok with my unpopular opinions and people disagreeing and even correcting my errors. 

In the end, we all want the same goal of the Bills hoisting that conveted trophy. Sunday they took a major step backwards and their defiencies were exposed. On to Miami...

 

I think it will turn out that the Steelers aren't as bad as the talking heads predicted, and Vegas was able to cash in on that (there was a reason the sharp money was all over the Steelers), and are a matchup nightmare for the Bills. 

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s a 17 game season…. Even if they lose they’ll have 15 more games to get it fixed….. maybe the expectations change  a bit with a loss, like the number one seed in the conference, but I’d still see them figuring things out and winning the division, specifically with the next two games after this one.

Very plausible. The AFC east is  weak and the Bills appear to be the beat team. 

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I think it will turn out that the Steelers aren't as bad as the talking heads predicted, and Vegas was able to cash in on that (there was a reason the sharp money was all over the Steelers), and are a matchup nightmare for the Bills. 

Agree. Those folks know what they're doing there 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

No he wasn’t.  If Sanders isn’t fast as Diggs, Allen needs to adjust to that.

 

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It was an overthrow, it was a bad pass.

 

24 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I blame myself for feeding an obvious troll

Some people’s glasses are just plain foggy😎

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

 

[Ramza86]

I live in Miami, fins fans are high on life right now. 

 

I saw the game....Pats gave that one away even more so that we did the Steelers. 

 

If we played at the level we did Sunday and the Fins played at the level they did Sunday we win by 10 at the lowest.

 

Im going to be very hurt if we dont crush the Fins.