It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You don't know do you?  Yes I know that's why your asking.  Because you don't know.  But shouldn't you have asked that question long before your started chasing me around with your stupid "die at home" accusations or saying you'd shoot me with a dart.  So to answer your question.  It's none of your business.  

 

Carry on Nosey Nellie. 

 

You said some time ago that you didn't but maybe you wised up. I doubt it but it's possible.

 

You want people to exercise freedom to not get vaccinated, and they can. Just be tough enough to die at home and don't accept any non-FDA approved treatments. It's a choice, right? 

[B-Man]

 

[Backintheday544]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

So you asked your clients if they were vaccinated and if not you said “sorry…you’re on your own”?  For your sake I hope that doesn’t get out into the community.  What other poor “hygiene” questions did you ask?  How about birth control?  Over population is a huge problem.  What about child car seats. That was brought up not long ago.  Anything else that is none of your business thar has zero bearing on your relationship?   I couldn’t imagine if I asked my clients that.  
 

And sounds like you should not have had children.  

Good lord.  Always the stick and never the carrot.  How about discounts for those that HAVE been vaccinated?  

My client hygiene was getting rid of poor performing clients, late paying, low realization, etc. No idea what your babbling on about.

 

Anyone who has had a chance to get vaccinated and hasn’t deserves any negatives that come with it. Like not getting to go to a college they want because the college mandates it, paying more for health insurance, not being able to go places. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

 

"The average hospital stay for Covid-19 has cost Delta $40,000 per person," said the airline. "This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company."

"This is not just costing lives, this is costing us financial resources as well," Bastain said on CNN Wednesday.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/business/delta-unvaccinated-insurance-cost-increase/index.html

 

Well, this is different than what you proposed initially, where the unwashed who required treatment spilt medical treatment with the hospital/doctor/waaaambulance on a fitty/fitty basis.  
 

Be that as it may, you would have no argument with me if health insurance companies were able to surcharge individuals based on individual health characteristics that posed an above average risk to the collective.  Or, refuse coverage for irresponsible individuals who wait until they need coverage to buy it.   
 

Interestingly, that’s the exact opposite of the liberal/dem mantra we’ve been fed the last decade or so, but hey, screw your freedoms and such.  

 

[B-Man]

 

 

WHEN KARENS RULE: 

 

Tyrannical Oregon Gov. Kate Brown Reinstates Outdoor Mask Mandate.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stephen-kruiser/2021/08/24/tyrannical-oregon-gov-kate-brown-reinstates-outdoor-mask-mandate-n1472374

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Bidens_basement said:

You go by severity of the patients. Common sense.

I said all the symptoms were of the same severity.  Do you go by age or vaccination status at that point?

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I said all the symptoms were of the same severity.  Do you go by age or vaccination status at that point?

 

That  wouldn't happen.

 

But any good hospital would go by the same process that we always have.

 

Those at the most risk, so it would most likely be by age or anypatient with a  serious co-morbidity.

 

Thats what the death rates have shown us.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by B-Man

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

You said some time ago that you didn't but maybe you wised up. I doubt it but it's possible.

 

You want people to exercise freedom to not get vaccinated, and they can. Just be tough enough to die at home and don't accept any non-FDA approved treatments. It's a choice, right? 

 

Yeah fug em right?   Love your compassion.  

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

My client hygiene was getting rid of poor performing clients, late paying, low realization, etc. No idea what your babbling on about.

 

Anyone who has had a chance to get vaccinated and hasn’t deserves any negatives that come with it. Like not getting to go to a college they want because the college mandates it, paying more for health insurance, not being able to go places. 

 

You made it sound like your client hygiene included clients who were not vaccinated.  That is what we're talking about here.  

 

Sounds like some pretty drastic measure for a bad case of the flu.  But you know you're can cower in fear if you like. I'm enjoying my life.

 

BOO!!

 

 

[Big Blitz]

56 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

WHEN KARENS RULE: 

 

Tyrannical Oregon Gov. Kate Brown Reinstates Outdoor Mask Mandate.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stephen-kruiser/2021/08/24/tyrannical-oregon-gov-kate-brown-reinstates-outdoor-mask-mandate-n1472374

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just gotta get to 80% vaccinated and this all ends!!

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Just gotta get to 80% vaccinated and this all ends!!

 

That's on Biden.  Funny how 12 months ago without a vaccine it was all on Trump.  Now WITH a vaccine it's not on Biden it's 100% on those not vaccinated.  Come on man!!  Lead Joe...LEAD!!

[Big Blitz]

"Executives at Pfizer and BioNTech believe that they will eventually need to update their Covid-19 vaccine.

 

As Barron’s reported over the weekend, that could bolster the case for the vaccine to offer a recurring source of revenue over the long term."

 

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told Fox Business on Tuesday that his company believes that a variant of the virus that causes Covid-19 is likely to eventually emerge that Pfizer’s vaccine wouldn’t protect against.

 

Bourla’s comments come after a similar forecast by Dr. Ugur Sahin, CEO of BioNTech (BNTX), the German biotech that is partnered with Pfizer (PFE) on the Covid-19 vaccine. On an earnings call in early August. Sahin said that it was “quite possible” that a new variant would emerge “in the next six to 12 months” that would require the companies to update their vaccine.

 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-covid-evade-vaccine-51629901084

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-teacher-couldnt-vaccinated-because-133051272.html

 

This kind of stuff is bordering on evil. The Union has no clue if she got the virus from her classroom. Secondly there are still openings at Florida Virtual School for those who don't want to do face to face. Lastly their are ways to keep distanced from students even when in your classroom. This women dying is awful but the implication that she was sent to death because children don't wear masks is wrong.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-teacher-couldnt-vaccinated-because-133051272.html

 

This kind of stuff is bordering on evil. The Union has no clue if she got the virus from her classroom. Secondly there are still openings at Florida Virtual School for those who don't want to do face to face. Lastly their are ways to keep distanced from students even when in your classroom. This women dying is awful but the implication that she was sent to death because children don't wear masks is wrong.

If the teacher couldn't get vaccinated because of a medical condition then she should've taken extraordinary measures not to put herself at risk.....not the other way around. That's true for all sorts of health conditions, allergies, etc.

[All_Pro_Bills]

53 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

"Executives at Pfizer and BioNTech believe that they will eventually need to update their Covid-19 vaccine.

 

As Barron’s reported over the weekend, that could bolster the case for the vaccine to offer a recurring source of revenue over the long term."

 

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told Fox Business on Tuesday that his company believes that a variant of the virus that causes Covid-19 is likely to eventually emerge that Pfizer’s vaccine wouldn’t protect against.

 

Bourla’s comments come after a similar forecast by Dr. Ugur Sahin, CEO of BioNTech (BNTX), the German biotech that is partnered with Pfizer (PFE) on the Covid-19 vaccine. On an earnings call in early August. Sahin said that it was “quite possible” that a new variant would emerge “in the next six to 12 months” that would require the companies to update their vaccine.

 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-covid-evade-vaccine-51629901084

 

 

All signs point to a recommendation by the experts soon for booster shots at 6 to 8 months.  The recurring revenue missing from Wall Street's vaccine maker profit projections has now appeared on the horizon.  And in a few months all the pro-vaxer's with 2 shots and a booster will still be ragging on everybody that's un-vaccinating and will start ragging on anybody vaccinated with just two shots. 

Then all the experts and creators of all kinds of restrictions and rules will have 3 classes of people to develop discriminatory practices around.  Then with the 2nd booster 4 classes while adding in the element of timing and mixing in a whole range of classifications for a family unit.  Like both parents vaxed with a booster, a teenager with two shots and an under 12 child without vaccination.  How does a restaurant owner treat that table for four?    

 

I read elsewhere an interesting question that was asked.  Are you better off being "fully vaccinating" and getting a booster shot or being "fully vaccinating" and getting and recovering from an asymptotic or mild case of COVID?  Which would provide better resistance and immunity from a potential future infection?  I have no idea what the answer is but its a good question for the experts.

 

Also, lots of recent data suggests the Delta wave has peaked and is on the down slope.

Edited August 25, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

All signs point to a recommendation by the experts soon for booster shots at 6 to 8 months.  The recurring revenue missing from Wall Street's vaccine maker profit projections has now appeared on the horizon.  And in a few months all the pro-vaxer's with 2 shots and a booster will still be ragging on everybody that's un-vaccinating and will start ragging on anybody vaccinated with just two shots. 

Then all the experts and creators of all kinds of restrictions and rules will have 3 classes of people to develop discriminatory practices around.  Then with the 2nd booster 4 classes while adding in the element of timing and mixing in a whole range of classifications for a family unit.  Like both parents vaxed with a booster, a teenager with two shots and an under 12 child without vaccination.  How does a restaurant owner treat that table for four?    

 

I read elsewhere an interesting question that was asked.  Are you better off being "fully vaccinating" and getting a booster shot or being "fully vaccinating" and getting and recovering from an asymptotic or mild case of COVID?  Which would provide better resistance and immunity from a potential future infection?  I have no idea what the answer is but its a good question for the experts.

 

Also, lots of recent data suggests the Delta wave has peaked and is on the down slope.

 

 

Correct.  

 

But it peaked in the South. 

 

Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, Illinois, Virginia, the numbers are all (as the Karens would say) surging.  

 

 

I'm beginning to suspect this is what's driving the hysteria.  Waning vaccine.  Seasonality of it is coming for the locked down North.  

 

The "control group" (Florida) showing them their government dictates are pointless is unfortunately the only thing motivating these people.  I know this because of how terrified they are of DeSantis.   

Edited August 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[FireChans]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-teacher-couldnt-vaccinated-because-133051272.html

 

This kind of stuff is bordering on evil. The Union has no clue if she got the virus from her classroom. Secondly there are still openings at Florida Virtual School for those who don't want to do face to face. Lastly their are ways to keep distanced from students even when in your classroom. This women dying is awful but the implication that she was sent to death because children don't wear masks is wrong.

Nothing like telling a bunch of school children that they killed their teacher. Makes those guys who want people to die all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Yeah fug em right?   Love your compassion.  

 

I don't care about what love you have for me. Get vaccinated and encourage others to get vaccinated. 

 

 

[Westside]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I said all the symptoms were of the same severity.  Do you go by age or vaccination status at that point?

I’m not a Dr, but I hope they would go by severity of the sickness. Age and vaccination should have nothing to do with getting medical help.

[Big Blitz]

Stupid people playing Twitter Doctors

 

 

 

 

 

Wooooooo hoooooooo Pfizer stock!

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

I don't care about what love you have for me. Get vaccinated and encourage others to get vaccinated. 

 

 

 

Not my job.  How's the Big Guy in the White House doing with that?   Seems it was all Trumps fault 12 months ago.  Now it's all on the unvaccinated.

 

Stay inside.  Lock your doors and windows.  There are unvaccinated people about.

 

BOO! 

[Big Blitz]

Florida has it right because among other reasons pretty much everything is better then this horse ***t

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They lied about needing taxpayers money ?

 

What a surprise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Big Blitz]

"Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months. In anticipation of this change, the number of unvaccinated Israelis getting their first shots has tripled since the beginning of August."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

Idiot

 

 

[Big Blitz]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Idiot

 

 

 

 

Just like Israel and New Zealand bro just get the jab and we'll be back to normal bro.......triple vaccine only cards and everything!!

[Chef Jim]

50 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Where have I seen this before?  🤔🤔🤔

 

Oh yeah…..

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Idiot

 

 

Why are we seeing so few vaccinated?  Why are we seeing spikes in cases, hospitalizations and deaths?   Why are you not slamming Joe for this? 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why are we seeing so few vaccinated?  Why are we seeing spikes in cases, hospitalizations and deaths?   Why are you not slamming Joe for this? 

 

Is Joe banning vaccine and mask mandates?

 

You can thank your fellow death cult.

 

Go to bed desperate Covid Jim

 

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Why are we seeing so few vaccinated?  Why are we seeing spikes in cases, hospitalizations and deaths?   Why are you not slamming Joe for this? 

 

 

 

It's amazing.

 

Same people that thought Trump should have stopped it - they spent all of 2020 telling us this.  

 

In this ridiculous out of context 5 second clip DeSantis says exactly what they were saying about Trump in 2020 and it's a problem.

 

 

No one believes anything. 

 

We told them this all last year and that included Trump's 15 days becoming indefinitely and now they quickly respond to that with "that was never a good idea."

 

Which again they don't get it.  It's not whether or not the ideas are good or bad (see HCQ) it's whether or not they are being honest.  You can't say just 15 days to stop life as we know it in an unprecedented peace time measure and not think that massive breach of trust wasn't going to lead to a cluster of a response from the public you are trying subvert and control.  

[Chef Jim]

21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Is Joe banning vaccine and mask mandates?

 

You can thank your fellow death cult.

 

Go to bed desperate Covid Jim

 

No. He’s not doing anything to stop the spread now is he?

[ALF]

With more than 100,000 people in the hospital with Covid-19 in the US, this August is worse than last, expert says

 

There were 100,317 people hospitalized with the virus Wednesday -- more than double the 48,851 in the hospital on the same day last year.

 

Florida has been hit particularly hard with the worst per capita rate in the country -- about 80 hospitalizations per 100,000 people -- followed by Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia and Louisiana, each with more than 55 hospitalizations per 100,000 people, according to HHS data.

 

"I had to turn away a cancer patient that needed an emergency treatment," Florida oncologist Dr. Nitesh Paryani told CNN. "For the first time in sixty years of my family's history of treating cancer, we had to turn someone away ... We just didn't have a bed. There was simply no room in the hospital to treat the patient."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

 

'I think we already broke:' Mississippi's nurses are resigning to protect themselves from Covid-19 burnout

Mississippi now has at least 2,000 fewer nurses than it did at the beginning of the year, according to the Mississippi Hospital

Association's Center for Quality & Workforce.

 

The staff shortages add to the growing strain on the state's hospital system -- both due, in large part, to the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/us/mississippi-covid-nurse-strain/index.html#:~:text=(CNN) Earlier this month%2C,Ocean Springs Hospital%2C told CNN.

[BillStime]

8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

No. He’s not doing anything to stop the spread now is he?

What is he not doing?

[BillStime]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Because studies show masks have marginal value and proponents of the mandate refuse to discuss or debate their use from a cost and benefit perspective relative to the overall health and well-being of children.    

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Because studies show masks have marginal value and proponents of the mandate refuse to discuss or debate their use from a cost and benefit perspective relative to the overall health and well-being of children.    

I have done a Medline search and there are about 950 references when you enter Covid and masks as search terms.  I have looked through the first 100, and there are 12 studies that directly address the question of mask effectiveness.  All of them indicate a mitigating effect of masks, the effectiveness of which depend on the type of mask and how it is worn.

 

You want to talk about cost vs. benefit, I agree.  The benefit is that having masks on get our kids back into schools instead of doing on line learning like last year, and provide some mitigating effect.  The cost I would suggest is not the actual wearing of masks (because they do not mean you breathe in CO2 and such), but that the kids feel depressed and such wearing them.  I am also doing a search of articles on mental health in kids during the pandemic, and what I'm seeing is that there were in fact negative effects that were related to feelings of isolation because kids could not see their friends and family during the pandemic and because of on line learning.  

 

Anecdotally, I have seen kids interviewed, and I have talked to kids, and what they say is they have no problem wearing masks if it gets them back in school with their friends.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Anecdotally, I have seen kids interviewed, and I have talked to kids, and what they say is they have no problem wearing masks if it gets them back in school with their friends.

I’m at and around schools all the time and I tend to agree. For now at least, kids are thrilled to be back in school with their friends. We’ll see how long that lasts but they’re clearly happy to be back in school. 

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

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Anecdotally, I have seen kids interviewed, and I have talked to kids, and what they say is they have no problem wearing masks if it gets them back in school with their friends.

If you give kids the choice "masks or friends" of course they will do what is needed for friends, what an evil way to put it.  Cloth masks are not very effective, here in Orange County parents could have opted kids out of masks and the two schools with the most opts outs are amongst the lowest rates. If you want effective masks you need the N95 masks or something more but the cloth masks are political theatre in schools.

[Tommy Callahan]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

With more than 100,000 people in the hospital with Covid-19 in the US, this August is worse than last, expert says

 

There were 100,317 people hospitalized with the virus Wednesday -- more than double the 48,851 in the hospital on the same day last year.

 

Florida has been hit particularly hard with the worst per capita rate in the country -- about 80 hospitalizations per 100,000 people -- followed by Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia and Louisiana, each with more than 55 hospitalizations per 100,000 people, according to HHS data.

 

"I had to turn away a cancer patient that needed an emergency treatment," Florida oncologist Dr. Nitesh Paryani told CNN. "For the first time in sixty years of my family's history of treating cancer, we had to turn someone away ... We just didn't have a bed. There was simply no room in the hospital to treat the patient."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/26/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

 

'I think we already broke:' Mississippi's nurses are resigning to protect themselves from Covid-19 burnout

Mississippi now has at least 2,000 fewer nurses than it did at the beginning of the year, according to the Mississippi Hospital

Association's Center for Quality & Workforce.

 

The staff shortages add to the growing strain on the state's hospital system -- both due, in large part, to the Covid-19 pandemic.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/us/mississippi-covid-nurse-strain/index.html#:~:text=(CNN) Earlier this month%2C,Ocean Springs Hospital%2C told CNN.

 

ITs crazy how none of those articles even mention the huge RSV outbreak thats happening in those areas (across most of the nation) and how its spiking partisally due to a year and a half of isolation and mask.

 

 

How many of those kids in those hospitals have COVID. the articles jump around that.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If you give kids the choice "masks or friends" of course they will do what is needed for friends, what an evil way to put it.  Cloth masks are not very effective, here in Orange County parents could have opted kids out of masks and the two schools with the most opts outs are amongst the lowest rates. If you want effective masks you need the N95 masks or something more but the cloth masks are political theatre in schools.

Honest to God, people refuse to understand the word mitigation.  Cloth masks (again depending on the mask) help prevent spread, they do not completely block it, but they help. The data is irrefutable.  Wearing masks is not evil.  

 

Yeah, I'd rather folks wear N 95s but the supply isn't there.  

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

 

ITs crazy how none of those articles even mention the huge RSV outbreak thats happening in those areas (across most of the nation) and how its spiking partisally due to a year and a half of isolation and mask.

 

 

How many of those kids in those hospitals have COVID. the articles jump around that.

The increase in RSV presumably reflects the lower rates seen during the pandemic as kids were quarantined and such.  Now that society has opened up more the re is more likelihood of spread of these and other viruses.