TSW Mock Draft 1.0 - Complete

[TPS]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Way overdue.  Shame on you tbd

He was picked at 25.

@Watkins101

[HappyDays]

The Lions accidentally drafting a player that was already drafted is entirely realistic.

[Draconator]

Can I make my pick now, or should I wait?

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Can I make my pick now, or should I wait?

Pry wait until @Virgilbites some ankles.

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Pry wait until @Virgilbites some ankles.

duly noted

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, TPS said:

He was picked at 25.

@Watkins101

Oops

[Virgil]

18 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Can I make my pick now, or should I wait?

please hold 

[Draconator]

Just now, Virgil said:

please hold 

Got it

Might make my pick in the early AM. Bedtime is quickly approaching. 

[ExWNYer]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Leatherwood from Notre Dame is also an intriguing option to consider if there.  Can take time to develop him.

Already taken at pick 25.

 

Alex Leatherwood played for Alabama. You may be confusing him with Liam Eichenberg who played for Notre Dame.

[iccrewman112]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

With the 38th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft... The Cincinnati Bengals select... Liam Eichenberg... Offensive Tackle... Notre Dame.

 

Eichenberg is one of the most slept on OT's in this class. He started 38 games at LT during his Notre Dame career and hasn't given up a sack since September 29, 2018. That's 33 games in a row without giving up a sack. In that time he's had Brian Burns, Clellin Farrell with multiple other 5 star Clemson recruits, Josh Uche, Kwity Paye, Patrick Jones II, Rahsad Weaver, Janarius Robinson, Joshua Kaindoh, Victor Dimukeje, Chris Rumph, and many others line up across from him. No one got his QB to the ground by beating him in almost 3 full seasons. He's only allowed 4 QB hits in that time as well. Also, if you look at the Notre Dame rushing number this year, the left side of the OL (led by Eichenberg and Tremble) was always where Kyren Williams got loose. Burrow needs to be protected, Mixon needs lanes opened, and Eichenberg is just the man to do it. He will be one of the bookends on this OL for years to come. Jonah Williams, drafted in 2019, will be the other. 

 

The Carolina Panthers and @MAJBobby are on the clock. 

This is an excellent selection as you had the Bengals go WR is round one. I’d be interesting you went with Penei Sewell in round 1 do you come back and get Eichenberg in round 2 and push Jonah Williams to Guard. Could solidify the line in two rounds. Big commitment but protects Burrow and help the ground game (which protects Burrow).

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Mock drafts are fun for “would you rather” 

 

would you rather: 

 

Jamar Chase and Liam Eichenburg

 

Or

 

Penei Sewell and say Rondale Moore or Amon Ra St Brown?

 

 

I actually think it turned out okay for him. 

or Sewell AND Eichenberg.

[Doc Brown]

33 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Alex Leatherwood played for Alabama. You may be confusing him with Liam Eichenberg who played for Notre Dame.

My mistake.  I meant Leatherwood from Bama.  I hate both schools equally.

[Watkins101]

With the second take at the 41st pick, the lions select Jamar Johnson, Indiana. The Giants @Draconator are on the clock.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Sewell is going to be very very good. Probably be an elite LT in the NFL.. I don’t think Eichenburg will be good. Give me Sam Cosmi instead.

 

Eichenburg is solid as a rock. I agree he isn't potentially elite like Sewell but his technique is as advanced as any lineman in this draft. Lower ceiling than the top guys, but a high floor.

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

You hit the nail on the head in regards to my post and you brought up a great point regarding versatility, they do love players who can play in multiple positions. What I do think factors in, how much during a game and how many games throughout the season would you prefer to be in big nickel vs normal. That usage has to be factored in.

 

I know they feel the expect a good level of contribution in year 1 from the player in Rd1. Ford was chosen at 38 and given every opportunity to start and play and be on the field as much as possible. Whereas Epenesa was taken at 54 and allowed to be brought on slowly. 

 

My comment has nothing to do with the player in particular btw. It is simply will he be on the field enough consistently as our RD1 pick to justify that positional pick in this round? 

 

All I would add to this conundrum is it was pretty widely reported and I believe our old friend @Kirby Jackson confirmed it that the Bills wanted to pick Kyle Dugger last year in round 2 and is probably more of a big nickel only compared to JOK. But I agree they have to be content that if they were taking JOK in round 1 then in the majority of nickel scenarios they are not taking him (or one of their other two) linebackers off the field to bring in Taron. If they believe in a whole slew of packages Taron is still necessary then the positional value of that pick even right at the end of round 1 does become an issue. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

What’s the biggest reach so far? 

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They do. They signed Riley Reiff as a FA too. But Penei Sewell is potentially different level to all of them so pick him and work out where everyone else plays after that. The Bungles should take Sewell.

 
Coulda said that about Cody Ford v DK Metcalf a couple years ago. WR is still somehow underrated around here despite Diggs’ influence. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

What’s the biggest reach so far? 

 
Coulda said that about Cody Ford v DK Metcalf a couple years ago. WR is still somehow underrated around here despite Diggs’ influence. 

 

Cody Ford isn't close to Penei Sewell. That is the point. The Bengals are so much weaker at Oline than at WR and the best player on the board for them at #5 is one of the best oline prospects in years. Take the guy, don't overthink it. I am not underrating WR but Penei Sewell makes more difference to that team in 2021 than Chase and he likely makes more difference over the long term too. 

 

EDIT: And I have Chazz Surratt as the biggest reach. 

Edited March 30, 2021 by GunnerBill

[H2o]

Who would've thought the Bengals would be the talk of the Mock draft.  Seriously though, I feel Ja'Marr Chase is the best WR in this draft. He averaged an insane 21.2 yds per reception in 2019. He's got good size at 6'1" 208lbs, runs solid routes, and has that long speed to be a game breaker. He had more yards and TD's than Justin Jefferson who just broke the rookie record for receiving yards in a single season. The fact that he has chemistry with Burrow already, and the two do not have to learn each other, is a dynamic you can't underestimate as well. Chase will step on the field and be the immediate #1 in this offense.

 

The OL has been addressed with Reiff in FA and Eichenberg in the 2nd Round. But if this draft were to continue, you would see the Bengals are not done setting up Burrow and Mixon for success. I really do feel that Eichenberg is slept on. How many OT's can say they haven't given up a sack in 33 straight games, even at the collegiate level? How many OT's can say their QB has only been hit 4 times due to their fault in almost 3 full seasons? Eichenberg also comes from an OL tree that has produced numerous All-Pro's over the last few years. He may not be seen in the same tier as Sewell, nor are the rest of the OT's, but there isn't a drop off between Eichenberg and the rest of the guys selected before him in this draft outside of Sewell. Jonah Williams played solid at LT last year in the 10 starts he made. This draft pick gives us options though. Williams @ LT, Eichenberg @ RT, and Reiff @ LG. You can flip Eichenberg and Williams. You can have Jonah slide to LG and move Reiff to RT. Any way you look at it, the Bengals OL is much better off at this point than it was at any other last season. Throw in Chase on top of that and we're suddenly an offense that's going to be a problem for teams to match up with. 

[Draconator]

With the 42nd pick in the NFL Draft, The New York Football Giants select

 

Travis Etienne - Running Back - Clemson.

 

The 49ers and @Nester are on the clock.

 

There are other, greater needs for the Giants, but a player of Etienne's caliber is too good to pass up. Etienne will either be the featured back if Barkely goes down with injury, can spell Barkely during a game giving the Giants an amazing 1-2 punch, or have Barkely and Etienne in the backfield at the same time. Anyway he is used, it takes that much more pressure off of Daniel Jones, allowing him to flourish.

Edited March 30, 2021 by Draconator

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, H2o said:

Who would've thought the Bengals would be the talk of the Mock draft.  Seriously though, I feel Ja'Marr Chase is the best WR in this draft. He averaged an insane 21.2 yds per reception in 2019. He's got good size at 6'1" 208lbs, runs solid routes, and has that long speed to be a game breaker. He had more yards and TD's than Justin Jefferson who just broke the rookie record for receiving yards in a single season. The fact that he has chemistry with Burrow already, and the two do not have to learn each other, is a dynamic you can't underestimate as well. Chase will step on the field and be the immediate #1 in this offense.

 

The OL has been addressed with Reiff in FA and Eichenberg in the 2nd Round. But if this draft were to continue, you would see the Bengals are not done setting up Burrow and Mixon for success. I really do feel that Eichenberg is slept on. How many OT's can say they haven't given up a sack in 33 straight games, even at the collegiate level? How many OT's can say their QB has only been hit 4 times due to their fault in almost 3 full seasons? Eichenberg also comes from an OL tree that has produced numerous All-Pro's over the last few years. He may not be seen in the same tier as Sewell, nor are the rest of the OT's, but there isn't a drop off between Eichenberg and the rest of the guys selected before him in this draft outside of Sewell. Jonah Williams played solid at LT last year in the 10 starts he made. This draft pick gives us options though. Williams @ LT, Eichenberg @ RT, and Reiff @ LG. You can flip Eichenberg and Williams. You can have Jonah slide to LG and move Reiff to RT. Any way you look at it, the Bengals OL is much better off at this point than it was at any other last season. Throw in Chase on top of that and we're suddenly an offense that's going to be a problem for teams to match up with. 

 

See I still think the difference between Jonah Williams and Penei Sewell is bigger than the difference between Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins (who had over 900 yards and 6 touchdowns as a rookie and in his games with Joe Burrow was on pace for 1,200 yards). The weakness of their team is the offensive line, the best player on the board is an offensive lineman, and the biggest upgrade on their existing starter is at offensive line. To me if Sewell is there and the Bengals pass then any other pick is the wrong pick. Now if Sewell is gone (let's say Atlanta take him at #4 or someone trades up into that spot to take him) then I would take Chase (or Kyle Pitts) rather than Rashawn Slater and wait for a tackle until round 2 - and it likely would be Eichenburg, who I do like more than the consensus and have as my OT5. 

 

3 minutes ago, Draconator said:

With the 42nd pick in the NFL Draft, The New York Football Giants select

 

Travis Etienne - Running Back - Clemson.

 

The 49ers and @Nester are on the clock.

 

There are other, greater needs for the Giants, but a player of Etienne's caliber is too good to pass up. Etienne will either be the featured back if Barkely goes down with injury, can spell Barkely during a game giving the Giants an amazing 1-2 punch, or have Barkely and Etienne in the backfield at the same time. Anyway he is used, it takes that much more pressure off of Daniel Jones, allowing him to flourish.

 

I still don't think the Lions have picked.... unless @Virgil has ruled on that?

Edited March 30, 2021 by GunnerBill

[Draconator]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I still don't think the Lions have picked.... unless @Virgil has ruled on that?

 

Edited March 30, 2021 by Draconator

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Draconator said:

 

 

Thanks. I missed that somehow. 

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thanks. I missed that somehow. 

It's all good

[stinky finger]

53 minutes ago, Draconator said:

With the 42nd pick in the NFL Draft, The New York Football Giants select

 

Travis Etienne - Running Back - Clemson.

 

The 49ers and @Nester are on the clock.

 

There are other, greater needs for the Giants, but a player of Etienne's caliber is too good to pass up. Etienne will either be the featured back if Barkely goes down with injury, can spell Barkely during a game giving the Giants an amazing 1-2 punch, or have Barkely and Etienne in the backfield at the same time. Anyway he is used, it takes that much more pressure off of Daniel Jones, allowing him to flourish.

 

Like the player, but Giants fans heads will explode if this ever happens. 

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Like the player, but Giants fans heads will explode if this ever happens. 

My head exploded and I hate the giants 

 

 

[Draconator]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

My head exploded and I hate the giants 

 

 

My work here is done.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

See I still think the difference between Jonah Williams and Penei Sewell is bigger than the difference between Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins (who had over 900 yards and 6 touchdowns as a rookie and in his games with Joe Burrow was on pace for 1,200 yards). The weakness of their team is the offensive line, the best player on the board is an offensive lineman, and the biggest upgrade on their existing starter is at offensive line. To me if Sewell is there and the Bengals pass then any other pick is the wrong pick. Now if Sewell is gone (let's say Atlanta take him at #4 or someone trades up into that spot to take him) then I would take Chase (or Kyle Pitts) rather than Rashawn Slater and wait for a tackle until round 2 - and it likely would be Eichenburg, who I do like more than the consensus and have as my OT5. 

And I understand your thinking on this. But at the same time I think the drop off from the first tier of WR's in this draft, which is still a position of need for the Bengals, is greater than the drop off in OL talent. In my opinion you have the #1 in Chase, 2a in Waddle, 2b in Smith, 3 in Terrace Marshall, and then the rest. It's HIGHLY likely that none of those guys will be on the board come #38, but there will be some high quality OL prospects all the way through the 3rd Round. The Bengals WR group is Higgins, Boyd, and Auden Tate. Higgins is a promising, young WR, yes. Boyd is solid. The rest though?  The addition of Chase does wonders not only for Burrow, but for Higgins and Boyd where now all three guys can be interchanged in various sets depending on the route concepts. I just think the value of a true #1 in this draft, whom already noted has great chemistry with our young Franchise QB, is worth the selection when we can adequately address the OL in Rounds 2 & 3 with some REALLY good starting quality players to add to Reiff and Williams on that front. 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

With the 42nd pick in the NFL Draft, The New York Football Giants select

 

Travis Etienne - Running Back - Clemson.

 

The 49ers and @Nester are on the clock.

 

There are other, greater needs for the Giants, but a player of Etienne's caliber is too good to pass up. Etienne will either be the featured back if Barkely goes down with injury, can spell Barkely during a game giving the Giants an amazing 1-2 punch, or have Barkely and Etienne in the backfield at the same time. Anyway he is used, it takes that much more pressure off of Daniel Jones, allowing him to flourish.

I don’t follow the Giants enough to know how I feel about this.  I’d think there’s enough talent on the board to fill a position or need, but they were dreadful in the run when Barkley went down.  
 

I can see the benefits here, just don’t know if such a high pick on someone who might only see 30% of the offensive snaps is worth it 

[Draconator]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I don’t follow the Giants enough to know how I feel about this.  I’d think there’s enough talent on the board to fill a position or need, but they were dreadful in the run when Barkley went down.  
 

I can see the benefits here, just don’t know if such a high pick on someone who might only see 30% of the offensive snaps is worth it 

My thinking is Barkley will not see a 16 game season if he is the 100% featured back. Taking Etienne here takes some of the workload off of Barkley. I'm thinking a 50/50 split if Barkley is healthy, and if Barkley goes down, there isn't much of a drop off.

 

Not to mention, having either Barkley or Etienne in your backfield, that allows Jones to play action,he has Golladay and Waddle to throw to, not to mention Rudolph as another option. Etienne out of the backfield is even another option. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

My thinking is Barkley will not see a 16 game season if he is the 100% featured back. Taking Etienne here takes some of the workload off of Barkley. I'm thinking a 50/50 split if Barkley is healthy, and if Barkley goes down, there isn't much of a drop off.

 

Not to mention, having either Barkley or Etienne in your backfield, that allows Jones to play action,he has Golladay and Waddle to throw to, not to mention Rudolph as another option. Etienne out of the backfield is even another option. 

 

There is a strong argument for the Giants going "best offensive weapon available."

[Draconator]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There is a strong argument for the Giants going "best offensive weapon available."

The rest of the NFC East in this here draft is building up on Defense. The Giants could have tried to keep up. Instead, they are like, "try and stop us". 

[Nester]

With the 43th pick in the TSW Mock Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select

 

Tyson Campbell CB Georgia.  

 

The Dallas Cowboys @GunnerBill are on the clock.

 

 

The 49ers need help in the secondary now as free agents walk,. Tysons Speed as State Champ in 100 and 200 yard dash could make him a valuable asset 

[Sherlock Holmes]

How is Pete Werner still on the board, what are you guys doing?!?!

[ExWNYer]

5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

How is Pete Werner still on the board, what are you guys doing?!?!

 

Because he's not even close to being worthy of a top 40 selection.

[GunnerBill]

With the 44th pick the Dallas Cowboys select:

 

Alex Leatherwood, Offensive Line, Alabama

 

How 'bout them Cowboys?!?!

 

Here is a little accepted fact about the last two years of Cowboys football - their once much vaunted oline was below average in 2019 and a liability in 2020. Now a lot of that was injury related but Tyron Smith as great as he has been is not getting any younger. Equally Conor Williams is a free agent after this season and while he arguably had his best year in 2020 he hasn't exactly nailed down the left guard spot. My personal belief is that Leatherwood's best fit in the NFL is inside but I absolutely think he can be serviceable at tackle and he was the best player available by my board.

 

The Jacksonville Jaguars, Urban Meyer and @Buffalo716 are on the clock.

Edited March 30, 2021 by GunnerBill

[ExWNYer]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

With the 44th pick the Dallas Cowboys select:

 

Alex Leatherwood, Offensive Line, Alabama

 

How 'bout them Cowboys?!?!

 

Here is a little accepted fact about the last two years of Cowboys football - their once much vaunted oline was below average in 2019 and a liability in 2020. Now a lot of that was injury related but Tyron Smith as great as he has been is not getting any younger. Equally Conor Williams is a free agent after this season and while he arguably had his best year in 2020 he hasn't exactly nailed down the left guard spot. My personal belief is that Leatherwood's best fit in the NFL is inside but I absolutely think he can be serviceable at tackle and he was the best player available by my board.

 

 

Love the bolded...hate the line below it.

[Sherlock Holmes]

9 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Because he's not even close to being worthy of a top 40 selection.

He is if you are the Raiders

[ExWNYer]

3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

He is if you are the Raiders

 

Come on, Sherlock. You know darn well that this is a TBD mock, not a Raiders mock (although they are always fun to 'mock'). Have you been huffing Werner's bloomers again? 

Edited March 30, 2021 by ExWNYer

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Come on, Sherlock. You know darn well that this is a TBD mock, not a Raiders mock (although they are always fun to 'mock'). Have you been huffing Werner's bloomers again? 

Maybe, also Tuf Borlands locker is right next door so I thought I'd scout his as well 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

How is Pete Werner still on the board, what are you guys doing?!?!

Shhhh

[Sherlock Holmes]

54 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Shhhh

Choose wisely Mr. Buttstuff