NFL looking for a 100% increase in broadcasting rights fees on new TV contracts

[Ray Stonada]

I just hope NFL Gamepass remains the same... living in Germany I get to see every Bills game live, at home. It's ideal. Also you get NFL Network with GMFB and the other shows, and it gives you a nice taste of home to see the commercials, even the ones for revolutionary nonstick pans and other crap.

[Big Turk]

46 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

 

ratings doesn’t matter.  It’s gotten marginalized.

 

it’s about the networks making a profit too.  Networks will lose money paying double what they are.

 

the games do not boost ratings on other programming.

 

They will lose a lot more by not having the NFL on their networks.

[transplantbillsfan]

17 hours ago, thronethinker said:

This wont happen. People are finding ways to watch games without local fees or Tickets. Ratings are down. People had no choice but to watch at home this year, yet ratings are down. Not gonna happen. 

 

Television itself is dying and live sports is one of the primary things keeping network stations alive along with the "sister news stations" the networks have.

 

Yeah there was a dip in ratings last year, yet the NFL was still by far the dominant motivation for people to get in front of their TVs.  The NFL was smart a few years ago when they started putting games on Amazon Prime, too.  They'll have to keep moving in this hybrid direction.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

DTV is for suckers with all of the streaming options out there now.

 

 

True, but if you wanted ST, the only way to legally get it was with a DTV subscription first.  That's the problem DTV has, not enough people want ST so the rest are dumping DTV for streaming.  Plus enough illegal streams for games so even those who wanted ST, dumped  DTV and found the illegal downloads instead to some level.

 

2 hours ago, simpleman said:

There is a political breaking point if too many games are moved to pay TV only. The NFL has been granted many huge financial, tax, labor law and regulatory breaks that could become at risk if pay TV is taken too far, too quick. Maybe as someone said, if some kind of online gambling benefits could also be somehow included with the rights to the buyer, both the buyer and the NFL could further profit.

 

You likely will always be able to watch the 2 to 3 games each Sunday on local network TV, that won't change.  But if you want out of market games or redzone, they can and will charge for that not differently than today via ST, just likely will b coming fro ma different source other than DTV

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, djp14150 said:

 

ratings doesn’t matter.  It’s gotten marginalized.

 

it’s about the networks making a profit too.  Networks will lose money paying double what they are.

 

the games do not boost ratings on other programming.

 

 

Wow...this would be major news to the NFL, all of network television and every company that advertises on TV.

 

When will they catch on to this blockbuster info??

[Marv's Neighbor]

13 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

The NFL is a well oiled machine. Ratings might be down but they’re down across the board for all professional sports. NFL is still king

Does that make Roger the jester?

[djp14150]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Wow...this would be major news to the NFL, all of network television and every company that advertises on TV.

 

When will they catch on to this blockbuster info??

 

you obviously didn’t understand what I was talking about.

 

networks trying to cross promote their broadcasts doesn’t increase their ratings on other nights.  They get ad money they sell for the games they air. What ever small profit margin they have after factoring in the costs for tv rights the mar gains aren’t high enough to absorb the added fee costs.

 

last tinge I checked abc  still exists after they lost football. CBS did too.

 

if the nfl is asking too much networks back out and nfl could self destruct.

 

a real example of this was CART/ indy car racing.

 

given head injury issues football is on fragile turf going forward where athletes opt for other sports.

 

going all streaming will watch it die because only 15% of USA land territory is capable to handle large streaming.

[97bills]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

True, but if you wanted ST, the only way to legally get it was with a DTV subscription first.  That's the problem DTV has, not enough people want ST so the rest are dumping DTV for streaming.  Plus enough illegal streams for games so even those who wanted ST, dumped  DTV and found the illegal downloads instead to some level.

 

 

You likely will always be able to watch the 2 to 3 games each Sunday on local network TV, that won't change.  But if you want out of market games or redzone, they can and will charge for that not differently than today via ST, just likely will b coming fro ma different source other than DTV

This is what worries me I live in Mississippi and without ST I only get the prime time games and until this year that was maybe 2 games a year. And I live in the woods so I have satellite internet and if anyone has it they no it sucks so streaming games all day would be hard even just one a week. I wish they would give everyone a piece of the pie so there would be more options so if I wanted to pay DTV hi price at least I could still watch my bills. And if someone wants to steam that’s there to I would love to see something like pay for a game as you go it would be like ST you see all the games and a price next to them just like buying a movie. That way if the bills are on my local tv I don’t spend that money. I don’t no I’m just rambling off I hate paying DTV but be careful what I wish for with sorry internet. My cable bill is around 175$ During football season and I’ve been paying that for years. GO BILLS 

9 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

 

you obviously didn’t understand what I was talking about.

 

networks trying to cross promote their broadcasts doesn’t increase their ratings on other nights.  They get ad money they sell for the games they air. What ever small profit margin they have after factoring in the costs for tv rights the mar gains aren’t high enough to absorb the added fee costs.

 

last tinge I checked abc  still exists after they lost football. CBS did too.

 

if the nfl is asking too much networks back out and nfl could self destruct.

 

a real example of this was CART/ indy car racing.

 

given head injury issues football is on fragile turf going forward where athletes opt for other sports.

 

going all streaming will watch it die because only 15% of USA land territory is capable to handle large streaming.

I just posted about steaming I have satellite internet and it sucks no way I can watch a game every week streaming. So what ever happens I hope I can still get every bills game. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, 97bills said:

This is what worries me I live in Mississippi and without ST I only get the prime time games and until this year that was maybe 2 games a year. And I live in the woods so I have satellite internet and if anyone has it they no it sucks so streaming games all day would be hard even just one a week. I wish they would give everyone a piece of the pie so there would be more options so if I wanted to pay DTV hi price at least I could still watch my bills. And if someone wants to steam that’s there to I would love to see something like pay for a game as you go it would be like ST you see all the games and a price next to them just like buying a movie. That way if the bills are on my local tv I don’t spend that money. I don’t no I’m just rambling off I hate paying DTV but be careful what I wish for with sorry internet. My cable bill is around 175$ During football season and I’ve been paying that for years. GO BILLS 

I just posted about steaming I have satellite internet and it sucks no way I can watch a game every week streaming. So what ever happens I hope I can still get every bills game. 

 

Think you'll be one of the smaller group that's going to be out of luck and not at all happy.  Don't know where/who this will end up with, but based on where the world is going, will be shocked if it's not pretty much exclusively streaming.  Maybe they will work out a deal with DTV or Dish to supply a satellite package to anyone who wants it for people like you without the base package, but even then it's debatable how long DTV or Dish will still be broadcasting and in business.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, djp14150 said:

 

you obviously didn’t understand what I was talking about.

 

networks trying to cross promote their broadcasts doesn’t increase their ratings on other nights.  They get ad money they sell for the games they air. What ever small profit margin they have after factoring in the costs for tv rights the mar gains aren’t high enough to absorb the added fee costs.

 

last tinge I checked abc  still exists after they lost football. CBS did too.

 

if the nfl is asking too much networks back out and nfl could self destruct.

 

a real example of this was CART/ indy car racing.

 

given head injury issues football is on fragile turf going forward where athletes opt for other sports.

 

going all streaming will watch it die because only 15% of USA land territory is capable to handle large streaming.

 

 

I'm pretty sure that we all understood this to be true before you explained it for us.  NFL games are not used by networks to increase the ratings of nonfootball shows (except the occasional after the Super Bowl premiere of a show).  They are used to make money for the networks as the broadcast of games dominates the top 50 broadcasts every year (and every week). 

 

 

Last time you checked, was ABC still owned by Disney, which also owns ESPN, which  has a 1.9 billion dollar contract with the NFL for broadcast rights?

 

Last time you checked, was CBS still under a 1.09 billion contract with the NFL for broadcast rights (every Bills home game, for instance)?

 

Obviously NO network or other broadcasting entity would enter into a contract if they though they would LOSE money.  It's a negotiation...the NFL will get what it can, not necessarily what it wants.

 

No one cares about car racing on TV.  Everyone watches the NFL.

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

On 2/21/2021 at 10:17 AM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

DTV wouldn't have any problems selling the ticket.  The problem was DTV made you first subscribe to DTV for $100 to $150 to $200 a month (unless you're in the 1st year introductory offer) then on top of that now pay an extra $400 (asking price) for Sunday Ticket.  

 

Certainly the people paying $200 a month had a better chance of getting a discount for ST, but not nearly as much and also harder to get the discounts once DTV was bought out by ATT.  I don't really blame ATT for that either as I'm sure they basically came in and told DTV, you can't keep giving this away.

 

If DTV allowed people to purchase ST as a stand alone package, say the streaming version, likely could have sold much more ST subscriptions, but without that extra $100 to $200 am month coming in, they'd still lose money so didn't bother.  And yes I know in theory they did offer the streaming only for people who couldn't get service via a dish, but was still not that easy to get it.  I even put in the address of a nursing home and was told that address is ineligible.

 

That does beg the question though, how will Amazon make money on a stand alone ST like package if they still charge in the $300 price range?  $100 a year for Prime membership won't cut it at the rates DTV paid the NFL.

 

Yes, I agree. Bad Model. 

 

That huge cost buy in model was DTVs deal. I just cannot stand the company and relish in their demise.

 

I hope the better method is to sell a la cart, like most other sport sites. 30 bucks a game..etc...DTV eventually did this at 50 bucks per game. Too much too late.

 

I hate the notion of exclusive rights. I get it is a big lump sum pay check, but id rather just bid out the ability to stream at a set cost or profit share. Its also the lazy way.

 

That way they could sell the pay per view rights to multiple networks or services at a set fee.

 

That or the NFL develops its own network ( hey they have that) and own streaming service. 

 

Partnering with Amazon makes sense. Amazon has a good model, accesible, and could charge a la cart for choice content. They already do this, so its no real stretch.

 

You dont need to charge 400 bucks for a package if the outreach is 10x what DTV gets. The a la carte model makes more sense. 

 

DTV only has 14 million Subscribers...Amazon 112 million!

 

Could watch anywhere that fire stick gets a signal, much better.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by RichRiderBills

[Ned Flanders]

On 2/20/2021 at 9:37 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Amazon will be getting the streaming package. Taking over Sunday Ticket. 

From your keyboard to God's ears...

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Ned Flanders said:

From your keyboard to God's ears...

From my smart phone. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Yes, I agree. Bad Model. 

 

That huge cost buy in model was DTVs deal. I just cannot stand the company and relish in their demise.

 

I hope the better method is to sell a la cart, like most other sport sites. 30 bucks a game..etc...DTV eventually did this at 50 bucks per game. Too much too late.

 

I hate the notion of exclusive rights. I get it is a big lump sum pay check, but id rather just bid out the ability to stream at a set cost or profit share. Its also the lazy way.

 

That way they could sell the pay per view rights to multiple networks or services at a set fee.

 

That or the NFL develops its own network ( hey they have that) and own streaming service. 

 

Partnering with Amazon makes sense. Amazon has a good model, accesible, and could charge a la cart for choice content. They already do this, so its no real stretch.

 

You dont need to charge 400 bucks for a package if the outreach is 10x what DTV gets. The a la carte model makes more sense. 

 

DTV only has 14 million Subscribers...Amazon 112 million!

 

Could watch anywhere that fire stick gets a signal, much better.

 

 

 

Didn't know about DTV selling single game package.   Agree $50 way too much.

 

Whatever/whomever is selling it, can't charge too much else the illegal streams will still flourish.  The quality of many of those threads was pretty darn good and became very reliable.  So I've been told!

 

Any idea how many ST subscriptions, thought I read someplace was only in the 1 to 2 million range??  I expected much higher.

[stuvian]

if they get this we're looking at PPV

[RichRiderBills]

2 hours ago, stuvian said:

if they get this we're looking at PPV

 

Likely advantage for out of market Bills fans...we will be getting more prime time games.

 

[foreboding]

On 2/21/2021 at 9:51 AM, Big Turk said:

 

That's because there is no answer. Software companies have mostly given up the fight after 40 years.

No they haven't "given up the fight." Not at all true.

[BigBuff423]

On 2/20/2021 at 10:01 PM, 97bills said:

I hate paying Directv but what’s going to happen to us that don’t have good internet for streaming I have satellite and trying to watch a movie is painful sometimes any thoughts 

 

Well, if you believe Elon Musk - the Starlink satellite internet service will be quite fast and available for folks in your predicament. 

[y2zipper]

19 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Yes, I agree. Bad Model. 

 

That huge cost buy in model was DTVs deal. I just cannot stand the company and relish in their demise.

 

I hope the better method is to sell a la cart, like most other sport sites. 30 bucks a game..etc...DTV eventually did this at 50 bucks per game. Too much too late.

 

I hate the notion of exclusive rights. I get it is a big lump sum pay check, but id rather just bid out the ability to stream at a set cost or profit share. Its also the lazy way.

 

That way they could sell the pay per view rights to multiple networks or services at a set fee.

 

That or the NFL develops its own network ( hey they have that) and own streaming service. 

 

Partnering with Amazon makes sense. Amazon has a good model, accesible, and could charge a la cart for choice content. They already do this, so its no real stretch.

 

You dont need to charge 400 bucks for a package if the outreach is 10x what DTV gets. The a la carte model makes more sense. 

 

DTV only has 14 million Subscribers...Amazon 112 million!

 

Could watch anywhere that fire stick gets a signal, much better.

 

 

 

The whole point of DirecTV buying the license was using it to make people subscribe to DirecTV. It's the same thing that cable companies do when they purchase a local baseball or local basketball contract. When my family had DirecTV, the company would basically give Sunday ticket away every year when it was time to renew because Sunday ticket is DirecTV's loss leader.

 

Whoever the NFL decides to sell their streaming license to is going to want to make money off of whatever they pay for the license. that means the price of the consumer probably goes up if say Amazon gets it, but at least up until this point the other streaming services have decided that they can't afford what the NFL wants.

 

The NFL discovered a long time ago that the real cash cow is it's licensing rights. The league doesn't have to pay all of the expenses of running the production or facilitating the broadcast if they just sell their license to a network or to a cable company or somebody else.

 

 

[Ned Flanders]

18 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Any idea how many ST subscriptions, thought I read someplace was only in the 1 to 2 million range??  I expected much higher.

That's about the number, actually a small percentage of DTV subscribers get ST.  

 

Heard today that the NFL REALLY wants to get the new TV deal done before free agency starts in mid-March so they can get a better idea of their finances going forward.  ESPN is holding out though and MNF is in danger...I think the World Wide Leader will capitulate though, and pay the king's ransom.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, foreboding said:

No they haven't "given up the fight." Not at all true.

 

They mostly have but the switch to SaaS(Software as a Service) models has pretty much helped as much as anything.

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/21/2021 at 10:47 AM, Big Turk said:

 

DTV is for suckers with all of the streaming options out there now.

DTV is legal, the "streaming options" is stealing.  So there is that.

[Big Turk]

20 minutes ago, mattynh said:

DTV is legal, the "streaming options" is stealing.  So there is that.

 

If you want to view it like that...I will guess you are over the age of 50.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

If you want to view it like that...I will guess you are over the age of 50.

You have to be over 50 to have morals?

 

im not over 50.  Nice try

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

That's about the number, actually a small percentage of DTV subscribers get ST.  

 

Heard today that the NFL REALLY wants to get the new TV deal done before free agency starts in mid-March so they can get a better idea of their finances going forward.  ESPN is holding out though and MNF is in danger...I think the World Wide Leader will capitulate though, and pay the king's ransom.

 

You wonder if it's a case the league wants MNF on ESPN or some type of "broadcast" channel as opposed to streaming only entity, but have a huge offer from someone like a Yahoo waiting in the wings. So trying to make it work with ESPN, but if they can't will dump them.

 

Am surprised at how few subscribers ST has, but then again if DTV is only in the 14 mil range, not as surprising.

[Don Otreply]

I do like watching the Bills play, but I’m not drinking the NFL koolaid, the NFL is just another greedy corporation, like so many others.

[Punching Bag]

14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You wonder if it's a case the league wants MNF on ESPN or some type of "broadcast" channel as opposed to streaming only entity, but have a huge offer from someone like a Yahoo waiting in the wings. So trying to make it work with ESPN, but if they can't will dump them.

 

Am surprised at how few subscribers ST has, but then again if DTV is only in the 14 mil range, not as surprising.

 

Remember Yahoo is part of Verizon and Verizon is already in bed with NFL.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

Remember Yahoo is part of Verizon and Verizon is already in bed with NFL.

 

So in other words may want to hold off on dumping Verizon.

[Big Turk]

24 minutes ago, mattynh said:

You have to be over 50 to have morals?

 

im not over 50.  Nice try

 

Nah...to see things so black and white.

[RichRiderBills]

3 hours ago, y2zipper said:

 

The whole point of DirecTV buying the license was using it to make people subscribe to DirecTV. It's the same thing that cable companies do when they purchase a local baseball or local basketball contract. When my family had DirecTV, the company would basically give Sunday ticket away every year when it was time to renew because Sunday ticket is DirecTV's loss leader.

 

Whoever the NFL decides to sell their streaming license to is going to want to make money off of whatever they pay for the license. that means the price of the consumer probably goes up if say Amazon gets it, but at least up until this point the other streaming services have decided that they can't afford what the NFL wants.

 

The NFL discovered a long time ago that the real cash cow is it's licensing rights. The league doesn't have to pay all of the expenses of running the production or facilitating the broadcast if they just sell their license to a network or to a cable company or somebody else.

 

 

 

They dont have to use the same model as the sunday ticket. Your not wrong, but the all or nothing package model does not need to be invoked. In fact, that model is already problematic. To make big money, Amazon could adopt the a la carte pay per view model more typical of major sports features. They have 112 million subscribers and would likely get a boost. I also think the red zone channel, and more prime time games has reduced the marketability of a high cost "package" type bundle .  

 

The NFL also "discovered long ago" how to be stubborn. The profitability / business model for streaming is unfolding in a rapidly changing realm . If there were lessons learned 15 years ago about cable, they are obsolete.

 

Again, I believe the NFL is not as smart as they let on, and the more forward thinking ideas would have been streaming and setting up thier own streaming service. In fact, they have much of this infrastructure already in place. 

Edited February 23, 2021 by RichRiderBills

[Buffalo Junction]

On 2/21/2021 at 11:05 PM, 97bills said:

This is what worries me I live in Mississippi and without ST I only get the prime time games and until this year that was maybe 2 games a year. And I live in the woods so I have satellite internet and if anyone has it they no it sucks so streaming games all day would be hard even just one a week. I wish they would give everyone a piece of the pie so there would be more options so if I wanted to pay DTV hi price at least I could still watch my bills. And if someone wants to steam that’s there to I would love to see something like pay for a game as you go it would be like ST you see all the games and a price next to them just like buying a movie. That way if the bills are on my local tv I don’t spend that money. I don’t no I’m just rambling off I hate paying DTV but be careful what I wish for with sorry internet. My cable bill is around 175$ During football season and I’ve been paying that for years. GO BILLS 

I just posted about steaming I have satellite internet and it sucks no way I can watch a game every week streaming. So what ever happens I hope I can still get every bills game. 

Similar situation in rural VA. I installed a commercial 4g repeater, got Verizon’s 4g home service, and dropped satellite service. There are work arounds. On the plus side, my total service price is lower. The downside is the upfront cost of buying and installing a repeater/booster. I wrote it off as a business expense though. 

[Metal Man]

6 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

They dont have to use the same model as the sunday ticket. Your not wrong, but the all or nothing package model does not need to be invoked. In fact, that model is already problematic. To make big money, Amazon could adopt the a la carte pay per view model more typical of major sports features. They have 112 million subscribers and would likely get a boost. I also think the red zone channel, and more prime time games has reduced the marketability of a high cost "package" type bundle .  

 

 

This is an excellent point that I have been considering leading up to where the rights to streaming, or the new Sunday Ticket type access lands.

 

As we move more and more to a streaming world, and more people cut the cord, my hope is the NFL will see that selling a package that bulk includes "all" games minus black out restrictions doesn't make as much sense. As people move away from traditional TV but would still like to be able to enjoy watching their choice of NFL games how can they justify a big price tag for a Sunday Ticket type package when every SNF, MNF, TNF, local broadcasts and the few Saturday games would not be included? I suppose for DTV it made a bit of sense as you had to have a DTV subscription and would still be able to watch all the Sunday Ticket blacked out games but the cable subscription TV model is dying for sure.

 

I'm not confident that they will be able to be forward thinking enough to come up with something that makes sense but my hope is they will come up with something that makes sense instead of these old antiquated models.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Nah...to see things so black and white.

 

You must be over 65

[Punching Bag]

Disney, NFL have a gap of more than $1 billion per year in their initial positions

https://sports.yahoo.com/disney-nfl-gap-more-1-171721277.html

Note: Normally I try to quote initial source but you can only get access if you have subscription, even if you are google, so using article of someone who supposedly read article and put his own slant on it.

Quote

Disney, the parent company of ESPN and ABC, has balked at the NFL’s demands. According to John Ourand of Sports Business Journal, the NFL initially asked for $3.5 billion per year for Monday Night Football. That would represent a 75-percent increase over ESPN’s current annual average of $2 billion.

Per Ourand, ESPN offered $2.4 billion per year, a 20-percent bump over the current amount.

 

Personally I think ESPN is dead since there are a lot less subscribers to ESPN and Disney could get a lot more advertising dollars on ABC.

 

[Punching Bag]

NFL Wants Networks to Double Payments for Broadcast Rights

https://frontofficesports.com/nfl-seeking-big-bumps-to-tv-rights-payments/

[RichRiderBills]

Im not sure how the NFL justifies this. 

 

Ratings down, and Disney has lost millions due to COVID. We will see where this goes. Companies like Amazon may end up with both out of market games and other broadcast rights....

[Punching Bag]

Mostly they justify it by being the best of the professional sports networks.  They also added games to season which players say they do not want but NFLPA agrees to and players will accept the money rather than sitting out.

 

Disney's problems about losing money is not just COVID but ESPN which viewers are abandoning and due to amount they are charging for ESPN telephone providers are putting it on high priced tiers. 

 

Some more facts on season:

https://frontofficesports.com/nfl-viewership-tv-tracker-week-17-2020-regular-season/

Quote

The NFL generated 82 of the top 85 sports TV audiences in 2020, according to Sports Media Watch.

 

The only exceptions were three college football telecasts last January: the Oregon-Wisconsin Rose Bowl; the Alabama-Michigan Citrus Bowl; and LSU-Clemson CFP National Championship.

It only addresses regular season not playoffs or Superbowl which also had decreases, some large, with multiple causes including no two week media period and home team hosting Superbowl for first time.

 

Quote

The league’s decrease was also modest compared to double-digit declines for other sports, noted Sports Media Watch, including the Stanley Cup Finals (-61%), the final round of the Masters Tournament (-58%), NBA Finals (-49%) and World Series (-30%).  

 

[RichRiderBills]

Disneyland has been closed for a year. Disney's lost money in many areas....so far ate their lunch on several big movies like Black Widow and are behind on all their movies. 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

On 2/23/2021 at 11:01 AM, Buffalo Junction said:

Similar situation in rural VA. I installed a commercial 4g repeater, got Verizon’s 4g home service, and dropped satellite service. There are work arounds. On the plus side, my total service price is lower. The downside is the upfront cost of buying and installing a repeater/booster. I wrote it off as a business expense though. 

 

For all who are in rural areas and eventually a lot more of us "Starlink" is already running.

I would check it out if you haven't.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/elon-musk-spacex-will-double-starlink-internet-speed-later-this-year.html

[K-9]

On 2/23/2021 at 12:47 PM, Don Otreply said:

I do like watching the Bills play, but I’m not drinking the NFL koolaid, the NFL is just another greedy corporation, like so many others.

How do you separate watching the Bills and not drinking the NFL koolaid? Like it or not, watching the Bills is sipping from that cup.