LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 For the right price I wouldn't mind giving him a 1 year contract, to give Fromm another year to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I would love Tyrod, Fitzy, or Dalton, but all cost more than $2 mil. Allen doesn’t need a mentor other than his QB coach and Palmer. I can see it being Webb and Fromm, and by September, they may not need a Covid quarantined backup. It’s too early to tell, and as always just speaking to the football thing, not societal issues. If for some reason the cap continues to rise with new tv contracts, then if Fitzy wants to wrap it up for $4-5 mil. as he’s 38, and would be his last year or two, I’m all for it. I’m not sentimental as much as I like him, but Fitz proved with Miami, he still can win tough games with the right tools around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Go with Fromm or Webb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Well he knows his role and there is an old saying....."those that can't do.......teach" I don't think the Bills would be keep him around if he wasn't good at breaking down film and the Bills have 3 young QB's to groom . With no cap room and being a good locker room guy don't be too surprised to see him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Barkley: unranked/forgotten apparently So with no competition for his services Vet minimum should be an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So you want us to sign Cam Newton as a backup QB? Do you think he would be content and constructive in that role and if so why? Dude not my job to find a replacement for Barkley that's what the staff gets paid big bucks for. I'm just saying it shouldn't be to difficult to find a better replacement out there geeeezzzz. Edited February 20, 2021 by ALLEN1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Dude not my job to find a replacement for Barkley that what the staff get paid big bucks for. I'm just saying it shouldn't be to difficult to find a better replacement out there geeeezzzz. The thing is who do you get cheap that will work with Josh...not against him? There needs to be chemistry and continuity....I like old quotes...." if it ain't broke don't fix it" The Bills are screwed if Josh goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said: Dude not my job to find a replacement for Barkley that's what the staff gets paid big bucks for. I'm just saying it shouldn't be to difficult to find a better replacement out there geeeezzzz. This is a discussion board. No, it's not any of our jobs to find a replacement for any player, but we talk about it here. When you say ..... 13 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Will not be difficult to find an upgrade for sure ....if it's so not difficult (even giving our tight cap), don't you think it's reasonable to expect you've given it some thought and have some ideas to discuss with us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: The thing is who do you get cheap that will work with Josh...not against him? There needs to be chemistry and continuity....I like old quotes...." if it ain't broke don't fix it" The Bills are screwed if Josh goes down. I'd like to see what Webb has got. Rumor had it that he looked the best last training camp. Daboll has enthused about how hard he works to help Josh prepare. We've seen social media of him hanging out with Josh, Sweeney, and Knox at a Blues game constructing a beer pyramid. We've heard about how he called guys in the off season and helped them with the playbook. So it sounds like there's chemistry with Josh and teammates He's also physically the most similar to Josh - 6'5", 230. I don't know how that translates to athleticism, but supposedly he plays Scout Team safety, so there must be something there. The thing is, the Broke part is the cap. If the cap is gonna be between $180-$188, then the Bills are gonna have to make some economies. And Barkley counted $2M against the cap last season. He might sign for similar, but would he sign for less? Vet minimum for a 7+ year vet is >$1M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I don't think backup qb matters much until we can run the ball better. No backup will be able to throw and run the ball as well as Josh so our offense collapses without him. So if Barkley wants to accept the Bills' offer, that's fine. I think the cap situation will be good enough to keep him and he will probably accept a similar deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Matt Barkley is a UFA. He is 31 and finishing up a 2 year, 4 mill deal with 600k gtd. I would offer a 1 year team friendly deal and let him battle it out for QB 2 with Fromm and Webb and anyone else they happen to bring in at QB. If he’s beaten out for QB2 I cut him before the season. I think Beane’s comments about the Barkleys being a blessing and everything his wife does indicates we could expect an offer of some sort. But I’m sure he realizes an upgrade is needed. If Allen gets hurt, I’m not sure any available backup is adequately replacing him. But how about Brissett? He’s a FA. I’m not sure about Fitz. Worried about the curse. Brissett sounds good to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Wave goodbye. Develop Fromm. Maybe offer Barkley a coaching position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Keep him. He and his wife are a blessing to the organization. He can play enough for a game or two. If Josh goes down for the season, the team is f'd. Simple as that in todays NFL for any team with a $40m QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Wave bye-bye. Play Fromm and Webb a ton in pre-season. If both of them look horrible, panic and trade for a veteran back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 18 hours ago, mushypeaches said: Barkley is eminently replaceable The trouble is that we don't have the $$ this offseason to find someone that much better. Relying on Davis Webb or Jake Fromm as #2 is probably not a great strategy either Sure it is. The reality is if Allen gets hurt and misses multiple games the season is doomed. Last year was the time to carryv3 QBs so you could groom Fromm to be the clipboard holder for 2021. They need every dollar of cap space and spending it on a veteran QB backup makes no sense for 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Sure it is. The reality is if Allen gets hurt and misses multiple games the season is doomed. Last year was the time to carryv3 QBs so you could groom Fromm to be the clipboard holder for 2021. They need every dollar of cap space and spending it on a veteran QB backup makes no sense for 2021. This. Money is tight this season. Fromm was a 5th round pick and there were no pre-season games to showcase him, so they probably could have easily cut him and stashed him on the PS. That they kept him on the 53-man roster tells me they liked what they saw and didn't want to take even a 1% chance he was lost. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 14 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Heck I would take Cam Newton over Barkley. Cam is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I voted to get rid of him. I liked what Barkley brought to the team but it is time to move on. He is a career backup and we have some young guys waiting for their turn. If we get stuck with Fromm QB ing for a couple weeks next year....that is why we need to establish the run game more so we know if we need to run the ball with one of these back ups in the game we can. The best player available in the draft where we are picking is going to be a running back. That is the position that usually falls in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 alot of qbs hitting the market. josh has dodged the injury bullet matrix style with his style of play i think we need to upgrade the backup spot because as of now josh goes down our season ends. thanks barkley time to look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Let him go. Its time for Fromm to take his rightful place as the teams #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 No backup on the list has two years of training in the Bills O....gives Barkley an advantage in being assessed for the Bills backup job. Just sayin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is a discussion board. No, it's not any of our jobs to find a replacement for any player, but we talk about it here. When you say ..... ....if it's so not difficult (even giving our tight cap), don't you think it's reasonable to expect you've given it some thought and have some ideas to discuss with us? Nope. Did that already and you tried to make a mockery of me. Good day sir. Edited February 20, 2021 by ALLEN1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Nope. Did that already and you tried to make a mockery of me. Good day sir. Well, that's 0 for 2 on the Honesty scale, 'cuz I got better search abilities than most on here and I can't find evidence of either. Did find this gem from ya though: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Bring him to camp with fromm and another tryout guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Tcali said: wow---its stunning how shallow the QB position is. These guys are generally awful.Thats the problem with the NFL and has been the problem for decades.The QBing is awful. There should be a QB school that shows nothing but vids of Brady. The not very athletic(athletic enough)but the smartest,calmest,most focused,BEST QB since Montana. Maybe 7 of the above players would be acceptable for a regular season game or two inorder t o preserve the W-L record. Maybe Fitz, Dak or Jameis could win a playoff game for you...No QB no winning in the league. The best Qbs in the league exc for Mahomes and maybe JA are all middle aged men.Thats stunning. Well......bit of an exaggeration I think. Watson can make a case to be one of the best QB in the league, he's 25. Herbert looked good, so did Burrow. So there are at least 5 pretty durn good young QBs in the league right now. Mayfield would say "6", LOL But to your point, there are these little hints that just maybe, NFL talent evaluators are looking in the wrong place. For example, take the Strange Case of Taylor Heinicke. Here's a guy who bounced around the league for 3 years, 3 different teams. His 4th season, 2018, he starts 1 game for Carolina in 2018. Throws for a decent # of yards and completion %, but throws 3 picks. That's it. Doesn't make the team the following season, plans on XFL, XFL suspend operations. He shrugs, goes off to Old Dominion to finish his engineering degree. There he sits when the phone rings, and WFT wants to sign him. He winds up starting a playoff game for them, puts a bit of a scare into the eventual Superbowl champion Tampa Bay Bucs, and winds up with a 2 yr, $4.75M contract with $1M at signing and another $0.5M guaranteed. Kind of makes you wonder how many Taylor Heinickes are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Honestly. I love what Barkley did to help Allen, to me that is immeasurable. Would he give us a better chance to win over Tyrod, Fitzpatrick or Trubisky? Absolutely not. My ideal backup would be Trubisky. I think Daboll and Dorsey could fix this kid and maybe we’d be looking at compensation in a few years. Put him on a winning team, with winning coaches, lots of help, I think he could become a starting quality QB here eventually. Trade for picks in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Honestly. I love what Barkley did to help Allen, to me that is immeasurable. Would he give us a better chance to win over Tyrod, Fitzpatrick or Trubisky? Absolutely not. My ideal backup would be Trubisky. I think Daboll and Dorsey could fix this kid and maybe we’d be looking at compensation in a few years. Put him on a winning team, with winning coaches, lots of help, I think he could become a starting quality QB here eventually. Trade for picks in a few years. For league minimum, or even what Barkley got? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc said: For league minimum, or even what Barkley got? Doubtful. For the right price anyway. Barkley is league minimum for a reason.. Trubisky was the second overall pick at one point. Good arm, decent mobility, good size.. His issues are all mental. I think Daboll and Dorsey would provide good structure for him and I think he could win us games if Allen goes down, Barkley can’t do that.. Also think in a year or two Trubisky could get us a couple draft picks.. 2yr $10M/deal? Sure, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: For the right price anyway. Barkley is league minimum for a reason.. Trubisky was the second overall pick at one point. Good arm, decent mobility, good size.. His issues are all mental. I think Daboll and Dorsey would provide good structure for him and I think he could win us games if Allen goes down, Barkley can’t do that.. Also think in a year or two Trubisky could get us a couple draft picks.. 2yr $10M/deal? Sure, why not? First of all, mental problems aren't easily fixed, if at all. Second of all, he'd likely sign somewhere he has a chance to start. Third, I doubt he'd sign even for $5M a year and the Bills can't afford it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, Doc said: First of all, mental problems aren't easily fixed, if at all. Second of all, he'd likely sign somewhere he has a chance to start. Third, I doubt he'd sign even for $5M a year and the Bills can't afford it anyway. I expect a big salary dump. Could easily see us dumping $15M-$20M in contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I expect a big salary dump. Could easily see us dumping $15M-$20M in contracts. I do as well. But I wouldn't spend any of it on a backup QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 47 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I expect a big salary dump. Could easily see us dumping $15M-$20M in contracts. If we dump $15-$20M in contracts, we need to spend that money on OL, DL, LB, and ST decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Barkley is a good guy, but Allen doesn't need a mentor. I would like to see a backup QB whose style is similar to Josh's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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