bigK14094 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, eball said: I know the thread is about what Josh might fetch in light of the Stafford trade, but to me it’s a moot point since it’s franchise suicide to trade a bonafide top 5 QB in the prime of his career. In that regard, I still don’t believe Watson will be traded. The Texans have to find a way to make that work. Coddled NFL players don't understand what a contract is......both sides have to live up. And, I don't think Watson and Josh are interchangeable. My stong preference is JA.....and the ceiling is still higher imho. Edited January 31, 2021 by bigK14094 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm not sure a thread on Josh's package is appropriate... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 Man the amount of people who wanna trade Josh on here is surprising well we should call the Niners...since he grew up a Niners fan...we get Jimmy G and 3 number ones.... and then put Josh in a system that includes George Kittle, The Niners running game, and a guy like Debo Samuel to throw to and we can see how he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I wouldn’t want to trade Allen either, but you have to at least consider a deal involving multiple firsts and players... if we could get a few very high firsts. Could play money ball a bit and find a stud QB on a rookie deal for next 5 years rather than playing a kings ransom for Allen soon. Above said, Allen is Buffalo through and through... and you can never be certain a QB prospect will pan out. Would make it much harder for me to pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I bet if some team inquired about Josh being available for a trade Beane would laugh hysterically rolling around on the floor pissing himself Then hang up 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The real question is what it would look like, compared to the Joe Webb package (P.S. How was I the first one to go here? How?) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Josh surely deserves a monster contract. That said, I'm sure manangment will want the deal structured to avoid the Wentz/ Goff problem. Both are due large guaranteed money -- over $50 million -- and that makes it difficult to trade/ cut a player if his performance drops off. LA had to give up much more than it would have had to, had Goff's contract not been guaranteed. Perhaps Josh gets a contract loaded with incentives but also protection against injury. Opinions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 hours ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm not sure a thread on Josh's package is appropriate... It's completely inappropriate NOT to have a thread dedicated to Josh's package 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 15 hours ago, McBean said: I’d trade Josh for Watson straight up. I love Allen too btw, but I think DW is a a little better. In what ways do you think he is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 13 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: The real question is what it would look like, compared to the Joe Webb package (P.S. How was I the first one to go here? How?) I was trying to take the high road this time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 hours ago, Old Coot said: Josh surely deserves a monster contract. That said, I'm sure manangment will want the deal structured to avoid the Wentz/ Goff problem. Both are due large guaranteed money -- over $50 million -- and that makes it difficult to trade/ cut a player if his performance drops off. LA had to give up much more than it would have had to, had Goff's contract not been guaranteed. Perhaps Josh gets a contract loaded with incentives but also protection against injury. Opinions? Why would Josh sign that? One bad hit and he loses millions and millions of dollars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 8:28 AM, 78thealltimegreat said: I would never trade Josh period the guy is Buffalo. After the Stafford deal yesterday my goodness teams like the Saints, Bears, or Niners would probably offer at least 3 ones to start with. I was kind of thinking the same thing, but more geared towards Watson as in if Stafford got this much how will a team ever have enough picks to make that trade. The other day was hearing that Stafford may be worth two 2nd rounders and a 3rd then this came out. But then as I read some about it, it appears the main reason Detroit got what they got, wasn't at all due to Staffords abilities, but was mainly due to taking on Goff's huge contract. Likely would see a similar thing if Wentz were traded. Detroit likely got an extra #1 just for taking on the contract. This was kind of like that Cleveland trade a couple years back Would have been interested to be a fly on the wall during trade negotiations. OK we'll take a 2nd and 3rd for Stafford. Wait you want us to take Goff, OK price just tripled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Why would Josh sign that? One bad hit and he loses millions and millions of dollars That's a significant problem. The trend now seems to be to sign good QBs to monster guaranteed contracts. That's ok if the QB continues to perform at a hign level but if his performance trails off it's a hugh problem for the club. Other teams would likely take that risk to sign Josh so the Bills may be forced to give a humongous guaranteed contract and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krf139 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 8:17 AM, McBean said: I’d trade Josh for Watson straight up. I love Allen too btw, but I think DW is a a little better. I'd rather not deal with a QB who while under contract, is demanding a trade. Sorry, but no thanks. I don't care what the organization has said / done. He signed a contract and he doesn't want to honor his contract. I'd stay away from someone like that. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 9:17 AM, McBean said: I’d trade Josh for Watson straight up. I love Allen too btw, but I think DW is a a little better. You trying to get fired mcbeane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 6:03 AM, BringBackFergy said: Given his skin coloring in the Chiefs game, we’d be lucky to garner a first round pick and two thirds. This is my favorite response of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, NJKBillsfan said: Bills fans overrate the ***** out of Allen. I'd easily would trade him for Stafford or Watson. For f$#!ki#$g stafford??? Really??? When is the last time stafford led a team to a conference championship game? The playoffs? A winning season? Hell when is the last time he even made any SVP highlight reel worthy plays? JA only been in league for 3 years. Playoffs back to back last 2 years and played in conference championship. Broke every franchise record along the way, led league in various passing statistics. Are you out of touch with reality? Stafford only ever good QB with megatron one of best receivers all time. Josh was wowing bills fans in year 1 with a band of nobodies and year 2 his #1 receiver was john brown. Edited February 2, 2021 by BillsFan692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Why would Josh sign that? One bad hit and he loses millions and millions of dollars maybe he can take out insurance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 AM, eball said: I know the thread is about what Josh might fetch in light of the Stafford trade, but to me it’s a moot point since it’s franchise suicide to trade a bonafide top 5 QB in the prime of his career. In that regard, I still don’t believe Watson will be traded. The Texans have to find a way to make that work. Eman, nailed it. Andrew Brandt, the guy who is regularly interviewed on many venues (for those who don’t know him he was one of the top dogs at GB for years and an agent on the other side) states the Texans will never allow a trade and will call his bluff beyond May. Once the draft is over, the only thing Watson has for leverage is holding out a year and loses $25 mil. And it starts all over again. Look how well that went for Bell. He lost $14.5 mil (Steelers offer), and although he made $14.96 mil. from the Jets in 2019, he only made between the Jets and Chiefs $5.5 mil. It was the worst decision a RB could ever make and he never will make it up. Watson won’t either. So with Allen, not for all the $ in the world or 100 draft picks. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, cba fan said: maybe he can take out insurance ? Again, why would he do that? He is going to finish in the top 3 of MVP voting, has won two playoff games and a pro bowl appearance all in his third year. He is going to be very well paid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 11:40 AM, wppete said: 5 first round pick minimum for Josh. and even then barring the wheels completely falling off, what would anyone do with 5 picks 25-32 lol i realize youre just playing the game here, and I am too... but to me, i just dont even see that moving the needle for me, AND THAT FEELS HELLA GOOD!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 12:38 AM, Sherlock Holmes said: It's completely inappropriate NOT to have a thread dedicated to Josh's package AND THERE IT IS 😆 you didnt get here till page 3... time for a tune up on that spidey sense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: AND THERE IT IS 😆 you didnt get here till page 3... time for a tune up on that spidey sense? I've been tucked away since our loss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I've been tucked away since our loss I thought id be dodging this place like the plague but its been pretty reasonable around here for being within a week of the end.... well other than this being in a theoretical trade Josh thread 😆 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 8:07 AM, CincyBillsFan said: Let's face it folks threads like this one and the multi page threads on Watson & Stafford only confirm that Bills fans have a bad case of off season speculative syndrome. For the last 25 years we have approached every off season like a gambleholic approaches a poker game. We have months to scheme preseason moves that will finally land the Bills a franchise QB and a playoff birth. But damn, this years Bills have spoiled that fun and now we have to exist in a world where we have a franchise QB and the Super Bowl is a legitimate goal. Where's the fun in that? I'm envious of Detroit fans who now can imagine all the pro-bowlers those 1st round picks will garner. Or how Goff will return to his super bowl year. And imagine how much fun the Rams fans are having as they speculate on how their almost elite new QB, who never won much in Detroit, will lead their elite defense (the one Allen and the Bills torched but I digress) to the Super Bowl. And I can only guess at the ecstasy surging through Miami & Jets fans in anticipation of landing the Watson. Who cares if they have to give up their first born child to get him. Think of all the awesome scenarios for any team that lands a top 5 QB like Watson. The outcome is guaranteed just like when the Bills landed Bledsoe! Post of the morning!! 👊Hands down... albeit post of past Sunday morning, I know... but cincy-fan explains perfectly the board / forum´s dynamics of this offseason compared to the previous 25, including the one after Josh´s meltdown versus HOU in WC game... Edited February 2, 2021 by BuffaLoko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 7:13 AM, Captain Hindsight said: Again, why would he do that? He is going to finish in the top 3 of MVP voting, has won two playoff games and a pro bowl appearance all in his third year. He is going to be very well paid because he may not get the deal in the year he wants due to the covid affected shrinking salary cap. So you take out insurance to protect some of his future earnings. His accountants/agents will be on this don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, cba fan said: because he may not get the deal in the year he wants due to the covid affected shrinking salary cap. So you take out insurance to protect some of his future earnings. His accountants/agents will be on this don't worry. Any deal is likely to be CAP neutral in 2021 & 2022 so covid should not be a factor here. If the Bills don't sign him this off season you will begin to see a rot spread through the organization. Allen will wonder if he really is the guy here. Soon we'll start to resemble the Dallas Cowboys QB saga where franchise tagging Allen every year is our only option. Now that's how you blow up the CAP. But not to worry. Bean will get it done and Allen will agree to a very CAP friendly deal. Nothing we've seen or heard on this topic from any of the key players would lead anyone to believe differently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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