streetkings01 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) Agree, as the saying goes "speed kills", "can't coach speed". That said, can't fill every single need but its a solid list to work from. Beane needs to be very honest this offseason and make some tough decisions, ie: roster cuts. Perhaps creating enough cap to sign Milano back, or look for an upgrade at other positions. Then absolutely need to continue hitting on the 1st, 2nd round picks. Oliver and Epenesa need to stand out next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: Agree, as the saying goes "speed kills", "can't coach speed". That said, can't fill every single need but its a solid list to work from. Beane needs to be very honest this offseason and make some tough decisions, ie: roster cuts. Perhaps creating enough cap to sign Milano back, or look for an upgrade at other positions. Then absolutely need to continue hitting on the 1st, 2nd round picks. Oliver and Epenesa need to stand out next season Continue hitting on 1st and 2d round picks? When did they start to hit on 1st and 2nd round picks, other than Josh Allen? Or 3rd round picks, for that matter... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, mannc said: Continue hitting on 1st and 2d round picks? When did they start to hit on 1st and 2nd round picks, other than Josh Allen? Or 3rd round picks, for that matter... Tre White.....and.......wait for it...........Ed Oliver. He is improving, yeah he should be better at this stage but he is improving. Just looking at #1 picks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Am I wrong for liking Levi Wallace? I dont see him as a "band aid." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We have a very fast defense as it is; some times it's our weakness. 2 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Tre White.....and.......wait for it...........Ed Oliver. He is improving, yeah he should be better at this stage but he is improving. Just looking at #1 picks..... Nah; Oliver is about where Edmunds is; on the "to be replaced" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) #4 should be #1 or at least #2 Edmonds is a freak, but hes a clueless freak. Can coaches correct this? He's still young. Edited January 25, 2021 by ClemsonBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) Your #3 and #5 would be more like my 1 and 2. Priorities need to be the passing game first and foremost, and then stopping the opponents passing game. Running/catching TE; John Brown replacement at WR; improvements on offensive line where can get them. On D: need a real middle linebacker, better talent on the line all up and down it; and if at all possible, a gifted edge rusher. Another cover CB would be great too. Edited January 25, 2021 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said: #4 should be #1 or at least #2 Edmonds is a freak, but hes a clueless freak. Can coaches correct this? He's still young. McD seems so hell-bent on making him the next Luke Kuechly that he doesn't seem to get this. He's a very talented player being forced into a role he's ill-suited for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) Knox is actually one of the league's faster tight ends (4.58 40 time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokes84 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just get me a RB that defenses feel like they need to account for. It will open up so much. This offense became far too predictable by the end. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Tre White.....and.......wait for it...........Ed Oliver. He is improving, yeah he should be better at this stage but he is improving. Just looking at #1 picks..... Beane did not draft Tre White. And Ed Oliver is not living up to his draft status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I don't understand why Levi Wallace is not looked upon as a legit #2 CB. I think he is doing a helluva job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, mannc said: Continue hitting on 1st and 2d round picks? When did they start to hit on 1st and 2nd round picks, other than Josh Allen? Or 3rd round picks, for that matter... You’re not really suggesting Tre White, Dion Dawkins and Ed Oliver are busts....are you? 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Beane did not draft Tre White. And Ed Oliver is not living up to his draft status. You didn’t specifically mention Beane but you are now. Diggs was our first round pick this year....I would say it worked out. Since we didn’t have a true 1 tech with Star opting out, Oliver filled that role a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 53 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You’re not really suggesting Tre White, Dion Dawkins and Ed Oliver are busts....are you? You didn’t specifically mention Beane but you are now. Diggs was our first round pick this year....I would say it worked out. Since we didn’t have a true 1 tech with Star opting out, Oliver filled that role a lot. I don’t think Oliver is a bust, but that was not a good use of the 8th overall pick. He looks like he’s barely better than a JAG-level player. He doesn’t push the pocket; he doesn’t get after the passer, which we were told he would be able to do. And Beane did not draft Dawkins. Under Beane, our day-two picks have been awful. The Ford pick in particular sticks in my craw because (1) we traded up for him, and (2) there were a TON of offensive playmakers on the board whom we ignored. And I hate to say it, but I don’t give Beane huge props for the Diggs deal. It worked out well, but anyone could see that Diggs was a already a very good player, so trading a first (and more) for him was hardly a stroke of genius. And of course the WR Minn drafted with that pick is an ORY candidate, so there’s that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bferra13 said: Am I wrong for liking Levi Wallace? I dont see him as a "band aid." I'm on the Levi bandwagon. He has been one of our most impactful defenders over the past month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 But isn't our defense built around speed? Haven't we been hearing all year (well, mostly the first half of the year) that it's the lack of size up the middle that allows teams to run rampant on us? I'm not sure we can fight their 1,000 square mile wildfire of an offense with our own fire. Pressure on the QB isn't just about more speed, and there's no way any defensive backfield can stick with their speedburners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 can't coach speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Bferra13 said: Am I wrong for liking Levi Wallace? I dont see him as a "band aid." There were definitely games where he was the weak link in the secondary. He’s serviceable.., he’s honestly be fine if they could get some pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, mannc said: I don’t think Oliver is a bust, but that was not a good use of the 8th overall pick. He looks like he’s barely better than a JAG-level player. He doesn’t push the pocket; he doesn’t get after the passer, which we were told he would be able to do. And Beane did not draft Dawkins. Under Beane, our day-two picks have been awful. The Ford pick in particular sticks in my craw because (1) we traded up for him, and (2) there were a TON of offensive playmakers on the board whom we ignored. And I hate to say it, but I don’t give Beane huge props for the Diggs deal. It worked out well, but anyone could see that Diggs was a already a very good player, so trading a first (and more) for him was hardly a stroke of genius. And of course the WR Minn drafted with that pick is an ORY candidate, so there’s that. Diggs stopped showing up with the Vikings because he was unhappy with this production in the offense....he was considered a diva. Beane still pulled the trigger and gave up a good amount to get him. Yeah Diggs was already a very good player but you are going to be lying to me if you thought he was going to have the 6th most receptions in a single season in NFL history. Nah....not huge props. You knew Diggs was going to be this good right? The ROI is incredible on this trade. Here are other WR that were traded for 1st round picks.....any of them have a year Diggs had? This is a few years old but as you can see.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/share.fcgi?id=JDI5G He has been here 3 out of the 4 years, he has his fingerprints all over this roster and hit on the QB that many analysts saw as a guaranteed bus....he pulled the trigger and traded up. He got the most important piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Beast said: I don't understand why Levi Wallace is not looked upon as a legit #2 CB. I think he is doing a helluva job. shoot I liked him since I first started seeing him out there. I think he was the CB3 at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Kwai San said: Tre White.....and.......wait for it...........Ed Oliver. He is improving, yeah he should be better at this stage but he is improving. Just looking at #1 picks..... The problem is hes almost done with his rookie deal and we didn't get the benefit of that enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, streetkings01 said: That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) The good news is they have lots of cap space to do all this and resign Mongo, D Williams, Milano and give Allen a ginormous extension. They have at least 1.5 million to do those things from what I have seen. 25 minutes ago, FormerlyPT5P said: can't coach speed But we can watch it...like the Bills did yesterday yesterday, short pass to T Hill and then he runs all over the place with 11 guys watching/chasing him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, mattynh said: But we can watch it...like the Bills did yesterday yesterday, short pass to T Hill and then he runs all over the place with 11 guys watching/chasing him around. Edmunds frustrated me there. For all the athleticism he's supposed to bring to us he gets completely manhandled on a block from some dinky WR on a bad angle no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Diggs stopped showing up with the Vikings because he was unhappy with this production in the offense....he was considered a diva. Beane still pulled the trigger and gave up a good amount to get him. Yeah Diggs was already a very good player but you are going to be lying to me if you thought he was going to have the 6th most receptions in a single season in NFL history. Nah....not huge props. You knew Diggs was going to be this good right? The ROI is incredible on this trade. Here are other WR that were traded for 1st round picks.....any of them have a year Diggs had? This is a few years old but as you can see.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/share.fcgi?id=JDI5G He has been here 3 out of the 4 years, he has his fingerprints all over this roster and hit on the QB that many analysts saw as a guaranteed bus....he pulled the trigger and traded up. He got the most important piece. Maybe I'm still salty over that awful performance last night, but I'm not going to give Beane huge props for the Diggs trade. Diggs definitely had a great year, but I would argue that Josh Allen elevated Diggs, just as he elevated Beasley. And you're not even addressing the fact that the Bills could have stayed at 22 and picked Justin Jefferson, who's six years younger than Diggs, is on a much cheaper contract over the next four years, and put up numbers that were every bit as good as Diggs's this year, with Kirk Cousins throwing him the ball. Care to address that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 overall, I agree: more speed BUT I am hoping for at least 1 gigantic, angry man to play DL or OL You also cannot coach size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmoneybills Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 If you want speed Rondalle Moore is the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Maybe I'm still salty over that awful performance last night, but I'm not going to give Beane huge props for the Diggs trade. Diggs definitely had a great year, but I would argue that Josh Allen elevated Diggs, just as he elevated Beasley. And you're not even addressing the fact that the Bills could have stayed at 22 and picked Justin Jefferson, who's six years younger than Diggs, is on a much cheaper contract over the next four years, and put up numbers that were every bit as good as Diggs's this year, with Kirk Cousins throwing him the ball. Care to address that? Every bit as good as Diggs? Diggs had 127 receptions and Jefferson had 88....that's a difference of 39 catches. That's very equal. That means that a WR that had 49 catches, it was every bit as good as Jefferson's if we are using your analogy. I'm not sure if you know this but Kirk Cousins has thrown for over 4,000 yards 5 times in his career. WR getting numbers isn't the problem with Cousins accept last year...because they went run heavy. Diggs lead the league in catches and yards and was a HUGE reason why we improved 10-11 points per game. But nope, we should have drafted Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Every bit as good as Diggs? Diggs had 127 receptions and Jefferson had 88....that's a difference of 39 catches. That's very equal. That means that a WR that had 49 catches, it was every bit as good as Jefferson's if we are using your analogy. I'm not sure if you know this but Kirk Cousins has thrown for over 4,000 yards 5 times in his career. WR getting numbers isn't the problem with Cousins accept last year...because they went run heavy. Diggs lead the league in catches and yards and was a HUGE reason why we improved 10-11 points per game. But nope, we should have drafted Jefferson. Jefferson finished with 1400 yards, averaged almost 4 yards per catch more than Diggs and had 1 less TD. That’s pretty damn comparable. And Jefferson was a 21-year old rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Beast said: I don't understand why Levi Wallace is not looked upon as a legit #2 CB. I think he is doing a helluva job. Levi is solid but not spectacular. I'd put him on a list of replacements. If we stay at pick 30 a CB wouldn't be a surprising pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, mannc said: Jefferson finished with 1400 yards, averaged almost 4 yards per catch more than Diggs and had 1 less TD. That’s pretty damn comparable. And Jefferson was a 21-year old rookie. Do you know the difference between an X and Z receiver? Edited January 25, 2021 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, mannc said: Jefferson finished with 1400 yards, averaged almost 4 yards per catch more than Diggs and had 1 less TD. That’s pretty damn comparable. And Jefferson was a 21-year old rookie. So it’s guaranteed that Jefferson will be every bit as good as Diggs for their careers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: So it’s guaranteed that Jefferson will be every bit as good as Diggs for their careers? I recall saying no such thing. What are talking about? 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Do you know the difference between an X and Y receiver? I’m sure you can explain it to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: I recall saying no such thing. What are talking about? Well, you said we should have just stayed at 22 and just picked Jefferson....so you must feel pretty confident that he will always be as good as Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Well, you said we should have just stayed at 22 and just picked Jefferson....so you must feel pretty confident that he will always be as good as Diggs. There’s no reason to think he won’t. Are you confident that in five years Diggs will be outperforming Jefferson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, mannc said: I recall saying no such thing. What are talking about? I’m sure you can explain it to me Think Michael Irvin vs Alvin Harper. https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/6/10/18659578/clearing-up-the-differences-between-the-x-and-z-receivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Diggs worked out great. I had my concerns going in. But he was great. That being said Jefferson may end up having the better career. As to the original question. I like our secondary. Think they’re all strong in technique. But maybe we need to inject some raw speed back there. We looked so slow compared to the Chiefs last night. I’ve never liked Edmunds. Think he will always be chasing plays. That gets you some tackling stats but doesn’t impact the game the way you’d like. As everyone else has said. Oliver has not been worthy of his draft position. We need a real pass rush. Last night was an eye opener in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 hours ago, streetkings01 said: That should be the focus in the offseason for Beane on both sides of the ball. #1 - Pass rushers(2) #2 - Homerun threat at RB #3 - More speed at the TE position #4 - MLB that can cover #5 - #2 CB(a true #2 guy not a band-aid) 1. A Watt and a Bosa 2. McCaffrey 3.Hunter Henry 4. Vander Esch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said: Agree, as the saying goes "speed kills", "can't coach speed". That said, can't fill every single need but its a solid list to work from. Beane needs to be very honest this offseason and make some tough decisions, ie: roster cuts. Perhaps creating enough cap to sign Milano back, or look for an upgrade at other positions. Then absolutely need to continue hitting on the 1st, 2nd round picks. Oliver and Epenesa need to stand out next season I think the train is leaving the station on Oliver. And the Scouting Reports on Epenesa were he was an 8 sack kind of guy in the NFL tops. His Combine showed lack of explosion with a 5.01 - 40. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said: The problem is hes almost done with his rookie deal and we didn't get the benefit of that enough I agree 110%...all I said was he is improving....not to our liking and probably not to the coaching staffs either.....time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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