NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) If I’m Frazier, I would attack their interior OL with blitzes. While I haven’t broke down any of their OL tape, I’m going off of name recognition and scouting reports. LG Nick Allegretti, C Austin Reiter, RG Andrew Wylie. The chiefs haven’t invested ANYTHING into their interior OL. Make them pay for it. Last time we played, their interior OL blocked 2 men with 3 men the entire game. Our ends have played much better in the containing role in recent weeks. Bring the heat up the gut with the ends keeping contain on Mahomes. Move him off of his spot and get ready to jump Kelces route. If I’m Daboll, I would try and force the chiefs to play 3 LBs early on. Harris and Niemann are liabilities. That could lessen Sneeds snaps. He’s a good ball player who didn’t play against us in the first game. If Spags stays in nickel and dime, I’d target Knox and whoever Charvarious Ward is guarding, while moving Diggs around to create mismatches. Breeland on Diggs is a great matchup for us as long as the refs open their eyes. Breeland was called on 2 PIs because he couldn’t stick with Diggs in the last game. Diggs only had 6-46 in that game but would’ve had 8-75+ if Breeland didn’t interfere that said.....I don’t expect us to run too many 2 TE sets or run the ball very much, I just think it could be a sneaky scheme to throw them off of their game from time to time Edited January 30, 2021 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Re stunts, Kollman has a video where he basically said don’t stunt the chiefs. Due to PM’s super deep drop at times, the edge rushers can race around the tackles pretty easily. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Re stunts, Kollman has a video where he basically said don’t stunt the chiefs. Due to PM’s super deep drop at times, the edge rushers can race around the tackles pretty easily. Ok, don’t stunt. Fixed 😂 Edited January 23, 2021 by NewEra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 expect the unexpected. Game will be about adjustments on both sides of the ball for each team. HC coaching matchup for the ages. This game is 2 SB quality opponents both Teams from Coaching to Players Just now, NewEra said: Ok, don’t stunt. 😂 Or " maybe stunt" but maybe Not. lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Ok, don’t stunt. Fixed 😂 To be fair to you, I am not sure PM does his 12-yard drifting drop backs all the time. Seems like it’s mostly in long-yardage situations to buy more time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 I suppose I’m a little frustrated that the chiefs can trot out the best QBs in football behind a 7th rd LG, UDFA C and a 7th rd RG, not to mention an UDFA journeyman RT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: To be fair to you, I am not sure PM does his 12-yard drifting drop backs all the time. Seems like it’s mostly in long-yardage situations to buy more time. It will be interesting to see if he can move well enough to try it IMO. 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I suppose I’m a little frustrated that the chiefs can trot out the best QBs in football behind a 7th rd LG, UDFA C and a 7th rd RG, not to mention an UDFA journeyman RT. Well, in all honesty, the Bills are trotting out much the same to block for Allen. We have the Chiefs old Center (bad move) and Dawkins who was supposed to be a guard 😆. Outside of that you have Journeymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: I suppose I’m a little frustrated that the chiefs can trot out the best QBs in football behind a 7th rd LG, UDFA C and a 7th rd RG, not to mention an UDFA journeyman RT. Patriots did it for years i still assume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Bring the heat. See if Mahomes' s toe is still bothering him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, DCofNC said: It will be interesting to see if he can move well enough to try it IMO. Well, in all honesty, the Bills are trotting out much the same to block for Allen. We have the Chiefs old Center (bad move) and Dawkins who was supposed to be a guard 😆. Outside of that you have Journeymen. concepts that are being executed have no preclusions as to when or where the players were acquired from nor how. O lines might be one of the most intense /important bit of the game. Where communication and familiarity weigh most heavy. Bills look pretty damned good to me right now. Much improved. for a bunch of regulars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, NewEra said: If I’m Frazier, I would attack their interior OL with blitzes. While I haven’t broke down any of their OL tape, I’m going off of name recognition and scouting reports. LG Nick Allegretti, C Austin Reiter, RG Andrew Wylie. The chiefs haven’t invested ANYTHING into their interior OL. Make them pay for it. Last time we played, their interior OL blocked 2 men with 3 men the entire game. Our ends have played much better in the containing role in recent weeks. Bring the heat up the gut with the ends keeping contain on Mahomes. Move him off of his spot and get ready to jump Kelces route. If I’m Daboll, I would try and force the chiefs to play 3 LBs early on. Harris and Niemann are liabilities. That could Sneeds snaps. He’s a good ball player who didn’t play against us in the first game. If Spags stays in nickel and dime, I’d target Knox and whoever Charvarious Ward is guarding, while moving Diggs around to create mismatches. Breeland on Diggs is a great matchup for us as long as the refs open their eyes. Breeland was called on 2 PIs because he couldn’t stick with Diggs in the last game. Diggs only had 6-46 in that game but would’ve had 8-75+ if Breeland didn’t interfere that said.....I don’t expect us to run too many 2 TE sets or run the ball very much, I just think it could be a sneaky scheme to throw them off of their game from time to time Regarding the bold. I would think that would make PM get out the pocket? I would much rather try and keep him in the pocket as much as possible. Like Josh, he does a good amount of his damage on the run and outside the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, DCofNC said: It will be interesting to see if he can move well enough to try it IMO. Well, in all honesty, the Bills are trotting out much the same to block for Allen. We have the Chiefs old Center (bad move) and Dawkins who was supposed to be a guard 😆. Outside of that you have Journeymen. Morse is one of the better pass blocking centers in the league. He hasn’t lived up to his contract, but he’s start for several teams. Dawkins was supposed to be a guard in your opinion. We used a 2nd rd pick on our LG, but he’s hurt and sucks. Feliciano, while not a big name FA, was seen as a good low risk, versatile interior OL. to the chiefs credit, their original starting LG Osemele was lost to injury. we’ve invested much more into our OL than the chiefs have 7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Regarding the bold. I would think that would make PM get out the pocket? I would much rather try and keep him in the pocket as much as possible. Like Josh, he does a good amount of his damage on the run and outside the pocket. I made it a point say that I’d have the DEs play contain roles when blitzed up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) I would spread them out with 5 wrs on field most of the plays. Make there defense attack against them. Use quick passing if needed. Use misdirection or iso run plays for runs. Bill's guards might be key since last game they attacked the guard area, now with better guards for o-line going to help more. Edited January 23, 2021 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Morse is one of the better pass blocking centers in the league. He hasn’t lived up to his contract, but he’s start for several teams. Dawkins was supposed to be a guard in your opinion. We used a 2nd rd pick on our LG, but he’s hurt and sucks. Feliciano, while not a big name FA, was seen as a good low risk, versatile interior OL. to the chiefs credit, their original starting LG Osemele was lost to injury. we’ve invested much more into our OL than the chiefs have I made it a point say that I’d have the DEs play contain roles when blitzed up the middle. Yeah, but it doesn't always work that way. I think I would try to get pressure on the edges. However, I'm sure they will attack many different areas and ways. Just saying I'd definitely want to keep him in the pocket which ever they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: To be fair to you, I am not sure PM does his 12-yard drifting drop backs all the time. Seems like it’s mostly in long-yardage situations to buy more time. Yea Mahomes and Josh are very similar, they love to play hero ball. It's what happened in the Chiefs loss to the Raiders. And like the video posted said, the Chiefs are an explosive offense which isn't the same as an efficient offense. They won't dink and dunk their way down the field. To the OP, I'm still not sure I would blitz PM. Maybe a couple but it wouldn't be a lot. All of the defenses that were able to "contain" the KC offense, used a lot of Cover 2 or Quarters. Like I said above, the Chiefs don't dink and dunk teams and honestly I think it annoys the crap out of them when they have to. They start forcing long plays because that's who they are, an explosive offense. If you make them march down the field and into the red zone, where they aren't one of the best offense there, there's more of a likelihood that they make mistakes. Edited January 23, 2021 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, die hard bills fan said: Bring the heat. See if Mahomes' s toe is still bothering him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Yeah, but it doesn't always work that way. I think I would try to get pressure on the edges. However, I'm sure they will attack many different areas and ways. Just saying I'd definitely want to keep him in the pocket which ever they do. Yeah, containment is paramount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yeah, containment is paramount I would think the Chiefs are likely thinking the same about Josh Allen. Wouldn't you think? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Patriots did it for years i still assume Their secret weapon was their coach, Coach Scar. They begged him to un-retire. He did. He re-retired last offseason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Regarding the bold. I would think that would make PM get out the pocket? I would much rather try and keep him in the pocket as much as possible. Like Josh, he does a good amount of his damage on the run and outside the pocket. There was a stat I saw the other day that Mahomes has a passer rating of only 55 or something when blitzed. I believe this wasn't the entire season, but more recent games. Either way, I'd take my shots at blitzing him if there's any truth to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Yea Mahomes and Josh are very similar, they love to play hero ball. It's what happened in the Chiefs loss to the Raiders. And like the video posted said, the Chiefs are an explosive offense which isn't the same as an efficient offense. They won't dink and dunk their way down the field. Except they do just that, when they need to. 12, 13, 10 and 12 play drives against us Week 6. 10 and 12 play drives ending on TOD against the Jets 12 play drive ending in FG against the Panthers 14, 16 and 12 play drives against the Raiders 12 and 13 play drives against the Bucs (fumble, FG) Two 10 play drives against the Broncos It's a bit frustrating to me when even a guy I have a lot of respect for like Kollman says stuff that is easily refuted by a glance at a handful of box scores It's not that KC can't or won't dink-and-dunk down the field. It's that they usually don't have to. But if a defense is effective enough to force it on them, they can and will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: There was a stat I saw the other day that Mahomes has a passer rating of only 55 or something when blitzed. I believe this wasn't the entire season, but more recent games. Either way, I'd take my shots at blitzing him if there's any truth to that For the season, Mahomes is the highest rated QB when blitzed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: There was a stat I saw the other day that Mahomes has a passer rating of only 55 or something when blitzed. I believe this wasn't the entire season, but more recent games. Either way, I'd take my shots at blitzing him if there's any truth to that I can’t say for sure, but I think they showed the passer rating of the 4 remaining qbs when blitzed......this post season. So I believe it was only 1 game for Mahomes and Rodgers, 2 for Brady and allen. Allen led with 104ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 We need a huge game from our DL. We must collapse the pocket from the interior using 4 man pressure. On the occasions we blitz it must be from a zone coverage where the timing and blitz are disguised in that Mahomes gets put on his back. Mahomes must be flushed from the pocket by interior pressure as an edge blitz allows him to step up and dance in the pocket. Make him move off his spot corral him & force him to his left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Steptide said: There was a stat I saw the other day that Mahomes has a passer rating of only 55 or something when blitzed. I believe this wasn't the entire season, but more recent games. Either way, I'd take my shots at blitzing him if there's any truth to that Yeah I think they will blitz this game. They didn't hardly at all the 1st meeting. I feel like the Bills have all of the D this go round and they are all healthy for the most part. So I think they can try a number of different things they couldn't the 1st meeting due to lack of personnel. Maybe they find something that works for a while, if they do you can be sure Andy Reid will adjust to it at some point. Then will have to counter. Will be an interesting coaching battle also that some may overlook. I believe there will be quite a few adjustments this game by both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Except they do just that, when they need to. 12, 13, 10 and 12 play drives against us Week 6. 10 and 12 play drives ending on TOD against the Jets 12 play drive ending in FG against the Panthers 14, 16 and 12 play drives against the Raiders 12 and 13 play drives against the Bucs (fumble, FG) Two 10 play drives against the Broncos It's a bit frustrating to me when even a guy I have a lot of respect for like Kollman says stuff that is easily refuted by a glance at a handful of box scores It's not that KC can't or won't dink-and-dunk down the field. It's that they usually don't have to. But if a defense is effective enough to force it on them, they can and will. I don't think that's what he's saying though. He's not saying they won't, he's saying they would prefer not to. It's what trips them up. Which he then backs up, with some evidence. Of course they can dink and dunk, so I suppose I shouldn't have said won't but they would prefer not to. They WANT to be explosive. They don't want to be a dink and dunk team because it forces them into mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: I don't think that's what he's saying though. He's not saying they won't, he's saying they would prefer not to. It's what trips them up. Which he then backs up, with some evidence. Ah!!! So he's saying they should dink and dunk more than they do? I would agree with that. 11 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Of course they can dink and dunk, so I suppose I shouldn't have said won't but they would prefer not to. They WANT to be explosive. They don't want to be a dink and dunk team because it forces them into mistakes. I think that's a fair cop on Allen, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ah!!! So he's saying they should dink and dunk more than they do? I would agree with that. Yea that's what he's saying but he thinks if they do it more, it may expose more of their weaker areas and might rely on guys who aren't All-Pros. Which is why he thinks it's a better way to defend them. 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think that's a fair cop on Allen, as well. Definitely. They both like to play hero ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Against us the first time, they didn't so much dink and dunk, as ran the football on those long drives. Mahomes was being more 'sensible' in taking small gains, but a lot of what they did was based off of the run game that time. I think it's a decent set of observations, and tbh, both Mahomes and Allen would have the same default mindset - i.e. go for the bigger gain. Josh has certainly reined that in a lot, especially since that KC game. Heaven forbid the game becomes a 'dink and dunk' fest, but if it does, I think Allen will show a bit more patience with it than Mahomes - and it might make all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I won't have a bad word said about Nick Allegretti. Today was supposed to be Shrine Game weekend and he was one of the stand outs I highlighted in my Shrine game scouting report two years ago. Out of Illinois. Think the Chiefs took him in the 7th round and I am not at all surprised he has been a solid find for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I won't have a bad word said about Nick Allegretti. Today was supposed to be Shrine Game weekend and he was one of the stand outs I highlighted in my Shrine game scouting report two years ago. Out of Illinois. Think the Chiefs took him in the 7th round and I am not at all surprised he has been a solid find for them. He is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyOutWest Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) Easy answer -Mahomes. First offensive play jet sweep to Lee Smith and send him barreling into Mahomes on the sideline. Problem solved. Edited January 24, 2021 by BillsGuyOutWest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 This game will be won in the trenches who ever does that will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Is this a Tonya Harding thing? Because I think that's wrong. Probably. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Steptide said: There was a stat I saw the other day that Mahomes has a passer rating of only 55 or something when blitzed. I believe this wasn't the entire season, but more recent games. Either way, I'd take my shots at blitzing him if there's any truth to that He's generally considered the best in the league at handling the blitz, though Brady has always been terrific, and Allen lately has looked just as good. You can blitz him, but not regularly. Regular blitzes he handles like an advantage to him. Occasionally, as a surprise, it can work. And it also helps if you do it in a non-standard way, like blitz an LB on the left and back up a DL on the right. If it's obvious how you're doing it, Mahomes knows just where to throw, into the area the blitzer vacated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Does anyone else see the "Subject" line of this post and somehow mentally conflate it with the Detroit Lions new head coach, and start wondering if Frazier and McDermott are dining on kneecaps? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, DCofNC said: It will be interesting to see if he can move well enough to try it IMO. Well, in all honesty, the Bills are trotting out much the same to block for Allen. We have the Chiefs old Center (bad move) and Dawkins who was supposed to be a guard 😆. Outside of that you have Journeymen. Morse hasn't been the same since he went out for the concussion, but overall that wasn't a bad move at all. If he doesn't regain his former level, yeah, he could be gone, but he might easily regain his old level. And while some on here thought Dawkins should be a guard, the Bills never thought so, nor did many of the rest of us. Edited January 24, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Buddo said: Against us the first time, they didn't so much dink and dunk, as ran the football on those long drives. Mahomes was being more 'sensible' in taking small gains, but a lot of what they did was based off of the run game that time. I think it's a decent set of observations, and tbh, both Mahomes and Allen would have the same default mindset - i.e. go for the bigger gain. Josh has certainly reined that in a lot, especially since that KC game. Heaven forbid the game becomes a 'dink and dunk' fest, but if it does, I think Allen will show a bit more patience with it than Mahomes - and it might make all the difference. I love me some Josh Allen...but I'm wondering what leads you to think Allen will show a bit more patience with the Dink n Dunk than Mahomes? To me, he's only one step removed from the place where I used to facetiously suggest that Singletary and Knox be equipped with orange snow poles to better aid Allen in finding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Re stunts, Kollman has a video where he basically said don’t stunt the chiefs. Due to PM’s super deep drop at times, the edge rushers can race around the tackles pretty easily. Not to mention it opens up interior rushing lanes to a team that pounded us for something like 250yrds the last time we saw them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsGuyOutWest said: Easy answer -Mahomes. First offensive play jet sweep to Lee Smith and send him barreling into Mahomes on the sideline. Problem solved. I'll bet you're a lot of fun at parties. "Here,hold my beer. Watch this" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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