Josh McCown for HC possibly in Houston

[whatdrought]

11 minutes ago, Mango said:

Chris Simms as OC?

 

Fine by me as long as I never have to hear him sing about our QB again... that was horrible.

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

If another NFL team hires another unqualified white candidate to be their HC, it will not - and should not - go ever well, at all.

I agree except for one factor: If Houston hires an unqualified white guy Stephen A Smith's head will explode and he'll go ballistic on the air.  It might be worth the trouble just to see Smith's reaction.  A few years ago he was going nuts because Jeff Fisher kept getting retained as a head coach in the NFL while qualified black candidates were overlooked.  I am biased against Smith because he once snubbed my nephew at a Warriors game when they were sitting in the same row and my nephew said hello to him.  

14 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

They must REALLY be struggling to find people who want the job. 

Like we were when Buddy Nix was GM & the best he could do was get Chan Gailey whose last job was getting fired as KC's OC in August before the season even started.  The definition of someone getting fired up.  

[Mr. WEO]

The best part of the story is that they also interviewed Jim Caldwell.

[PrimeTime101]

Deshaun says Josh WHO!!!!~ %$#@

 

Goes home to have his bags packed

[Roger Goodell]

Dear Mrs. McNair,

 

The league office is impressed with the slate of head coaching candidates currently being considered by the Houston franchise.  In particular, the league finds Eric Bieniemy, Leslie Frazier, Marvin Lewis and Jim Caldwell to be uniquely qualified candidates.  We are confident you will make a wise and informed decision in selecting one of these outstanding men to lead the Texans in the coming years.

 

Sincerely,

 

Roger

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

"If anyone can do it, Josh MCown can."  Based on WHAT??

 

 

He was kind of a coach on the sidelines and in the meeting rooms while he was playing. I think that's what they're referring to.

 

So maybe yeah, if anyone can do it he can. I doubt anyone can do it, myself.

 

Always liked the guy. Good luck to him. It would not be a good decision now, though. After 10 or 15 years of coaching experience, then maybe.

 

It's really too bad, though. I understand why Watson feels he wants to pressure them to get a good head coach. But the instant he did so he made the job toxic and the possibility of actually getting someone good pretty close to zero. It's now a self-fulfilling prophecy, making his departure much more likely.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Thurman#1

[PetermansRedemption]

This has to be a joke? Or someone called in a favor to get McCown some interviewing experience? There’s absolutely no way he would succeed going from player to head coach. Idc if he was “coaching” Darnold and Wentz, they both suck anyways. 

[y2zipper]

I think the bigger picture of what we're seeing in general is an erosion of what was once considered the traditional pipeline for becoming an NFL head coach. It used to be that you only hired really good offensive or defensive coordinators. The hiring cycle is also moving so fast that nobody in a game this weekend got hired.

 

Now it's those, special teams, college, and teams are really open to looking at other positions for guys who can lead and hiring young and energy more than ever and supplementing that with experiences coordinators. I compare it to baseball management, where the front offices and managers of teams are ivy league type guys.

[machine gun kelly]

It’s hard for me to believe this could be serious.  I don’t know.  If really is a valid inquiry, wow, Deshaun may be into something.  Probably not though.

 

Even if the jokes no one wants to go there, another experienced coach would take on the challenge.

[BillsfaninChicago]

Wow I just looked him up on Wikipedia. He has been around a looooong time (since 2002) . In a certain way that is more impressive than Brady’s 20+ year run since it is much harder to last in this league as a mediocre QB than one that is playing at Hall of Fame levels each year. Perhaps maybe I just felt like taking a roundabout swipe at Brady by saying McClown>Brady?

[batmanfreek]

Somewhere Van Pelt is fuming. 

[freddyjj]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

"If anyone can do it, Josh MCown can."  Based on WHAT??

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So I'm confused this isn't the backup QB for the Jets a couple years ago is it?

 

Yes

 

2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Deshaun says Josh WHO!!!!~ %$#@

 

McCown was on the Texans roster as a QB

 

SMDH

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Fine by me as long as I never have to hear him sing about our QB again... that was horrible.

 

Agreed and then the final insult - after a total FanGirl interview and making us listen to that song, he picked against us 🤬

 

2 hours ago, Roger Goodell said:

Dear Mrs. McNair,

 

The league office is impressed with the slate of head coaching candidates currently being considered by the Houston franchise.  In particular, the league finds Eric Bieniemy, Leslie Frazier, Marvin Lewis and Jim Caldwell to be uniquely qualified candidates.  We are confident you will make a wise and informed decision in selecting one of these outstanding men to lead the Texans in the coming years.

 

Sincerely,

 

Roger

 

This guy NEVER breaks character.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agreed and then the final insult - after a total FanGirl interview and making us listen to that song, he picked against us 🤬

 

 

This guy NEVER breaks character.

Yep. Even when he’s positive about us, he still has a horribly punchable face and persona....

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes

 

 

McCown was on the Texans roster as a QB

 

SMDH

I know.. I get it.. ITs a joke lol

[Big Blitz]

I'm waiting to hear Todd Bowles is a serious candidate.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, Roger Goodell said:

Dear Mrs. McNair,

 

The league office is impressed with the slate of head coaching candidates currently being considered by the Houston franchise.  In particular, the league finds Eric Bieniemy, Leslie Frazier, Marvin Lewis and Jim Caldwell to be uniquely qualified candidates.  We are confident you will make a wise and informed decision in selecting one of these outstanding men to lead the Texans in the coming years.

 

Sincerely,

 

Roger

[DaggersEOD]

14 hours ago, Gugny said:

If another NFL team hires another unqualified white candidate to be their HC, it will not - and should not - go ever well, at all.

Wow, so much to unwrap here. Pretty intense signaling going on here. Probably not a minority. 
 

I promise you, the owners are not racists circa 1950’s. Both the owners and the coach candidates are individuals. They make decisions as individuals. 
 

Trying to color this complex situations with simple crayon strokes (Must be racist) is lazy. 

14 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Progress is finally being made there, albeit slowly.  It has to start at the college level, too, IMO.  I don't follow college football, but I'd be willing to bet that the percentage of black HCs across the DI powerhouse schools is low.

 

Today, alone - we've seen the Ravens hire ROB RYAN as a position coach and the Texans talking about hiring a candidate with literally zero days of coaching experience as their HEAD COACH.

 

Skin color aside ---- you're telling me that either one of those people are the best person for those jobs????  Come the ***** on.

 

It's a problem.

Must be race. Only explanation. 
 

My questions is why would you support a league run by people who you think are blatant racists?

 

Why are you giving rich white racists your time/money?

 

I don’t think they’re racists so my conscience is clear...

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

Wow, so much to unwrap here. Pretty intense signaling going on here. Probably not a minority. 
 

I promise you, the owners are not racists circa 1950’s. Both the owners and the coach candidates are individuals. They make decisions as individuals. 
 

Trying to color this complex situations with simple crayon strokes (Must be racist) is lazy. 

Must be race. Only explanation. 
 

My questions is why would you support a league run by people who you think are blatant racists?

 

Why are you giving rich white racists your time/money?

 

I don’t think they’re racists so my conscience is clear...

 

You've used enough of the hip terms to understand the kind of person I'm dealing with, here.  

 

I'm going to try to explain this in a way I think you might grasp it.

 

First of all, whether or not I'm a minority is a) none of your business and b) totally irrelevant.

 

I am not accusing all NFL owners of being racist and I doubt anyone is - so save your promises for someone who wants to hear them.

 

This, to me, is not exclusively about HC vacancies/hirings.  It's more about the more entry-level, lower on the totem pole, positions.  Ex: when the Bills were the first team to hire the first female full-time coach.  They took a chance.  They opened the door. They showed other teams that it's okay to do those things.

 

Or the Cardinals, when they hired Byron Leftwich to be the QB Coach - and the Bucs who hired him as OC two years later.

 

That's progress.  That's moving forward.

 

Hiring a proven failure in Rob Ryan to be a position coach was stupid.  It was dumb.  It was also a perfect opportunity to give a minority or a female a chance.  They didn't take the chance.  Instead, they hired a man who has singlehandedly destroyed the last three defenses he's worked with.  Makes sense, right?

 

I'm just going to stop there and trust that you get it.  If not, I have zero interest in going back and forth with you.  So please do us both a favor and either don't respond or simply say that we can agree to disagree.

 

Peace!

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

If McCown gets this job over Bienemy something is seriously wrong. Eric is the playcaller for a juggernaut team and McCown never coached in the NFL. Houston fans should March in protest if McNair thumbs his nose at a great fanbase.

 

well.....kinda, maybe 

[Punching Bag]

14 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

It's really too bad, though. I understand why Watson feels he wants to pressure them to get a good head coach. But the instant he did so he made the job toxic and the possibility of actually getting someone good pretty close to zero. It's now a self-fulfilling prophecy, making his departure much more likely.

 

That is his goal.  He wants to be traded (only teams he wants to go to) or even more be cut and keep the signing bonus he just got. 

 

[DaggersEOD]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

You've used enough of the hip terms to understand the kind of person I'm dealing with, here.  

 

I'm going to try to explain this in a way I think you might grasp it.

 

First of all, whether or not I'm a minority is a) none of your business and b) totally irrelevant.

 

I am not accusing all NFL owners of being racist and I doubt anyone is - so save your promises for someone who wants to hear them.

 

This, to me, is not exclusively about HC vacancies/hirings.  It's more about the more entry-level, lower on the totem pole, positions.  Ex: when the Bills were the first team to hire the first female full-time coach.  They took a chance.  They opened the door. They showed other teams that it's okay to do those things.

 

Or the Cardinals, when they hired Byron Leftwich to be the QB Coach - and the Bucs who hired him as OC two years later.

 

That's progress.  That's moving forward.

 

Hiring a proven failure in Rob Ryan to be a position coach was stupid.  It was dumb.  It was also a perfect opportunity to give a minority or a female a chance.  They didn't take the chance.  Instead, they hired a man who has singlehandedly destroyed the last three defenses he's worked with.  Makes sense, right?

 

I'm just going to stop there and trust that you get it.  If not, I have zero interest in going back and forth with you.  So please do us both a favor and either don't respond or simply say that we can agree to disagree.

 

Peace!

Not sure what hip words you’re referring to. Just normal common sense and reasoning 🤣🤣

 

So you’re not a minority, you think that it’s a race problem not a nepotism problem but you’re cool enough with it to still support them. Gotcha. 🖍
 

Agree to disagree.

[DaggersEOD]

22 hours ago, Gugny said:

If another NFL team hires another unqualified white candidate to be their HC, it will not - and should not - go ever well, at all.

Just a reminder of where you started this convo. Not sure how you’re not implying racist intent. 
 

Just seems like you assume the worst in people. 

[WotAGuy]

7 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Just a reminder of where you started this convo. Not sure how you’re not implying racist intent. 
 

Just seems like you assume the worst in people. 

Well, there is a Rooney Rule for a reason, no?

[DaggersEOD]

7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Well, there is a Rooney Rule for a reason, no?

Yes, there is. Yet the same retreads keep getting hired and young talent is ignored.
 

IMO, the problem is nepotism, not racism. By not identifying the correct problem, we can’t enact effective solutions. 

[WotAGuy]

13 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

Yes, there is. Yet the same retreads keep getting hired and young talent is ignored.
 

IMO, the problem is nepotism, not racism. By not identifying the correct problem, we can’t enact effective solutions. 

But if it was simply nepotism, why is there a Rooney Rule requiring interviews of minorities?  Doesn’t that speak to the fact the league itself recognizes there is inherent racism, or at least favoritism?  
 

I remember when it was a controversial thing to play a black QB. When Buffalo started a rookie black QB in 1969 it was a very big deal.  

 

I have read OJ’s book about his rookie season in 1969, and he talks a lot about the inherent racism in the league. I think the remnants of that racism remain, or else there wouldn’t be a rule forcing teams to interview minorities. 

[Man with No Name]

50 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

But if it was simply nepotism, why is there a Rooney Rule requiring interviews of minorities?  Doesn’t that speak to the fact the league itself recognizes there is inherent racism, or at least favoritism?  
 

I remember when it was a controversial thing to play a black QB. When Buffalo started a rookie black QB in 1969 it was a very big deal.  

 

I have read OJ’s book about his rookie season in 1969, and he talks a lot about the inherent racism in the league. I think the remnants of that racism remain, or else there wouldn’t be a rule forcing teams to interview minorities. 

optics/virtue signaling are very high on the list of why things are currently done. logic is sometimes the last thing that dictates cause and effect. 

 

 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Man with No Name said:

optics/virtue signaling are very high on the list of why things are currently done. logic is sometimes the last thing that dictates cause and effect. 

 

 

Huh?

[Man with No Name]

12 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Huh?

you ask why is there a rooney rule, implying that the reason must be driven by logic. 

 

im not going to argue one way or the other. But not all decisions are based on logic and reasoning. 

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

you ask why is there a rooney rule, implying that the reason must be driven by logic. 

 

im not going to argue one way or the other. But not all decisions are based on logic and reasoning. 

Well, there is logic and reasoning involved even if the action taken is not sincere. So if the NFL is just employing  the Rooney Rule for the optics involved, there is a logic and reasoning behind it.  Perhaps for anti-trust reasons or whatever. A group of billionaires may look like a bunch of idiots at times, but they are savvy. 

[DaggersEOD]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

But if it was simply nepotism, why is there a Rooney Rule requiring interviews of minorities?  Doesn’t that speak to the fact the league itself recognizes there is inherent racism, or at least favoritism?  
 

I remember when it was a controversial thing to play a black QB. When Buffalo started a rookie black QB in 1969 it was a very big deal.  

 

I have read OJ’s book about his rookie season in 1969, and he talks a lot about the inherent racism in the league. I think the remnants of that racism remain, or else there wouldn’t be a rule forcing teams to interview minorities. 

I don’t think anyone would argue that there wasn’t overt racism in the 60’s. I just don’t think it’s a driving factor anymore.

 

While all the current focus is on hidden racists, the actual decision makers take a public stand against racism in all its forms (like any decent person). They vow to make sure they interview minority candidates...etc. 

 

Then the HC calls and says the LB coach needs some help and the assist LB coach’s son is willing to intern. 
 

Decision maker gets irritated and tells the coach to just do whatever he feels is best for these low level staffing decisions. 
 

If the focus was on fighting nepotism, a much wider field of entry level positions would suddenly be available to new blood, including minority candidates who may not know a guy already on the inside. 
 

I think this would do more to fix the issue of retread coaches getting a million undeserved looks, than whatever is going on now. 

[Man with No Name]

how do you fight nepotism? 

how do you make a rule against it?

[WotAGuy]

5 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I don’t think anyone would argue that there wasn’t overt racism in the 60’s. I just don’t think it’s a driving factor anymore.

 

While all the current focus is on hidden racists, the actual decision makers take a public stand against racism in all its forms (like any decent person). They vow to make sure they interview minority candidates...etc. 

 

Then the HC calls and says the LB coach needs some help and the assist LB coach’s son is willing to intern. 
 

Decision maker gets irritated and tells the coach to just do whatever he feels is best for these low level staffing decisions. 
 

If the focus was on fighting nepotism, a much wider field of entry level positions would suddenly be available to new blood, including minority candidates who may not know a guy already on the inside. 
 

I think this would do more to fix the issue of retread coaches getting a million undeserved looks, than whatever is going on now. 

Yeah, I see this happens. Belichick’s son comes immediately to mind. But I just don’t see it happening on a large enough scale to crowd out minorities. 
 

There is an old boys’ network in the league, and you seldom see black coaches be a part of it. That tells me it’s less about nepotism and more about racial bias. 
 

The league has several programs in place to promote development of minority coaches and administrative staff. To me, that shows the league understands it has an issue on it’s hands that needs to be addressed and they are taking action.  It may not seem sincere, but the proof is in the pudding. 

6 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

how do you fight nepotism? 

how do you make a rule against it?

Start by making a rule that you can’t hire your kid if he has a mullet. 

[DaggersEOD]

3 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

how do you fight nepotism? 

how do you make a rule against it?

That is a question I really think should be explored more! 
 

It’s truly systemic and has layers and layers to protect itself. That’s why I feel a lot more energy should be focused on this problem. Fighting ghosts just lets the system chug along unimpeded. 
 

I think just increasing awareness of the problem and more scrutiny on staffing decisions (ok Bob, is your son REALLY the best guy to do this??) would go a long way.

 

Look at most of the current successful HCs. Most were interns first. That’s the level that I think could make the most difference IMO. 

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

That is a question I really think should be explored more! 
 

It’s truly systemic and has layers and layers to protect itself. That’s why I feel a lot more energy should be focused on this problem. Fighting ghosts just lets the system chug along unimpeded. 
 

I think just increasing awareness of the problem and more scrutiny on staffing decisions (ok Bob, is your son REALLY the best guy to do this??) would go a long way.

 

Look at most of the current successful HCs. Most were interns first. That’s the level that I think could make the most difference IMO. 

Your point about interns is very true and Gugny also made that point. 

[Man with No Name]

success in life is largely about networking and connections. There are people who are good and bad at using that tool--on both ends of the equation. But I don't think you can eliminate it. And I'm not really sure you should. 

 

people who strive to get to certain places in life should be aware of this and be savvy enough to make those connections. It won't be real or lasting if it doesn't happen organically. 

[DaggersEOD]

7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Yeah, I see this happens. Belichick’s son comes immediately to mind. But I just don’t see it happening on a large enough scale to crowd out minorities. 
 

There is an old boys’ network in the league, and you seldom see black coaches be a part of it. That tells me it’s less about nepotism and more about racial bias. 
 

The league has several programs in place to promote development of minority coaches and administrative staff. To me, that shows the league understands it has an issue on it’s hands that needs to be addressed and they are taking action.  It may not seem sincere, but the proof is in the pudding. 

Start by making a rule that you can’t hire your kid if he has a mullet. 

I think the place we disagree is the prevalence of racism in NFL Exec level. 
 

My entire premise rests on my belief that they aren’t overtly racist. If they are then I am 100% wrong and more needs to be done. 
 

I respect your position. I just don’t agree (but acknowledge I don’t know the hearts of NFL Execs). 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, DaggersEOD said:

I think the place we disagree is the prevalence of racism in NFL Exec level. 
 

My entire premise rests on my belief that they aren’t overtly racist. If they are then I am 100% wrong and more needs to be done. 
 

I respect your position. I just don’t agree (but acknowledge I don’t know the hearts of NFL Execs). 

I appreciate that.  I don’t think the NFL or its team owners are overtly racist. But I think there’s enough institutional bias that has been recognized and has resulted in corrective actions being taken. Some may not think it’s effective, or even sincere - and some of that may be true. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 1/22/2021 at 4:30 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

By the Ghost of Curly Lambeau I believe he can do it!