Buffarukus Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, WideNine said: Sounds like a revival of the CNN Crossfire show the Tucker Carlson used to co-host. Jon Steward skewered the show as a guest and it was canceled soon after...not sure Tucker ever got over that. The audio on this copy was crap, but plenty others out there. It is a good listen about polarization and partisan divide. yeah ive seen that and was a big fan of Stewart. i miss him. im a big supporter of his fight for 911 workers. i didnt watch crossfire much. rising is different as its two moderate hosts together and they just present some stories from their takes. no major debates. no sensationalism and mostly agree on the foundation of the topic presented but at least you can hear some objections without the I'm absolutely right your wrong or demeaning attacks towards each other, besides towards the crazy op eds and media and corrupt government general rediculousness. here's just a random one. lots of daily topics. check it out and share if you think its ok. more views is the only thing that will change direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 5, 2021 Author Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: yeah ive seen that and was a big fan of Stewart. i miss him. im a big supporter of his fight for 911 workers. i didnt watch crossfire much. rising is different as its two moderate hosts together and they just present some stories from their takes. no major debates. no sensationalism and mostly agree on the foundation of the topic presented but at least you can hear some objections without the I'm absolutely right your wrong or demeaning attacks towards each other, besides towards the crazy op eds and media and corrupt government general rediculousness. here's just a random one. lots of daily topics. check it out and share if you think its ok. more views is the only thing that will change direction. I will definitely check it out. Just did...and they nailed it. All that manufactured privilege churn from an old dude wearing a jacket and recycled mittens. Edited February 5, 2021 by WideNine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, WideNine said: I will definitely check it out. Just did...and they nailed it. All that manufactured privilege churn from an old dude wearing a jacket and recycled mittens. keep going alot more topics. those who are not zealots need voices to unplug from the mainstream narratives of hate. it wasnt to long ago where disagreement did not make you a enemy and simply saying i think this side represents me but i also agree with you that they are not doing the right thing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 “Lou Dobbs Tonight” disappeared, like a miracle. Fox News cancels Lou Dobbs’ show; pro-Trump host not expected to be back on air 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Yes. Yes they are. Unless they are Islamic Extremists then we should not be monitoring phone calls no way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 11 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Yes. Yes they are. Unless they are Islamic Extremists then we should not be monitoring phone calls no way. Why only extremists who practice Islam? Why not any other extremists? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Why only extremists who practice Islam? Why not any other extremists? . Who determines what is extreme? Many people feel that if you don’t agree with their point of view, then YOU are an extremist... When Copernicus said the Earth revolved around the sun, the people of his time said he was an extremist... Trying to figure out what or who is extreme seems like a slippery slope to me... Edited February 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Extreme!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Definition of a snowflake: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, BillStime said: Definition of a snowflake: Tucker probably has something bad he is hiding about himself which is why he is so angry about things like this. I would love to see what he would say if it was the democrats who were the terrorists.. Sadly it won't happen b.c only Republicans seem to get brainwashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Who determines what is extreme? Many people feel that if you don’t agree with their point of view, then YOU are an extremist... When Copernicus said the Earth revolved around the sun, the people of his time said he was an extremist... Trying to figure out what or who is extreme seems like a slippery slope to me... Ya, ignorant religious people said that. Are you saying people that deny climate change are extremists now? Hey, let’s muddy the waters on what we call extremist so really, nothing is extreme. Everything is cool, unless you support Democrats. Woo hoo! Silly rhetoric to excuse how bad 5he Republican Party has become, oh ya! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ya, ignorant religious people said that. Are you saying people that deny climate change are extremists now? Hey, let’s muddy the waters on what we call extremist so really, nothing is extreme. Everything is cool, unless you support Democrats. Woo hoo! Silly rhetoric to excuse how bad 5he Republican Party has become, oh ya! They are fighting themselves on top of trying to fight democrats... Instead of trying to work with people they are alienating everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ya, ignorant religious people said that. Are you saying people that deny climate change are extremists now? Hey, let’s muddy the waters on what we call extremist so really, nothing is extreme. Everything is cool, unless you support Democrats. Woo hoo! Silly rhetoric to excuse how bad 5he Republican Party has become, oh ya! First off, I hate the term “climate change”... everyone knows that climate changes because we see it everyday...so, saying that people deny climate change always sounded stupid imho... Second, I think most people want to take care of the environment and find ways to come up with clean energy...However, I think the problem most people have is that the issue has become political, and people are concerned about how much big bureaucracies are controlling their lives- and who is making money off of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 23 hours ago, JaCrispy said: First off, I hate the term “climate change”... everyone knows that climate changes because we see it everyday...so, saying that people deny climate change always sounded stupid imho... Second, I think most people want to take care of the environment and find ways to come up with clean energy...However, I think the problem most people have is that the issue has become political, and people are concerned about how much big bureaucracies are controlling their lives- and who is making money off of it... But the people that just up and totally deny Man Made Global Warming? Are they extremists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: But the people that just up and totally deny Man Made Global Warming? Are they extremists? Not necessarily... I understand your concern, but I always try to put myself in the shoes of people on both sides...So let’s examine this particular situation that you describe. I think that most of those who take issue with climate change policy can probably be put into 1 of 2 categories... 1. The first category is the most obvious- people that don’t understand the science, or simply don’t care, or are just skeptical of big government, so they just deny there is any connection between humans and the environment... 2. The second category Is probably more important than the first, but doesn’t get talked about because it is, likely, easier for people to lump everyone into category 1 for political purposes...this category includes people who believe that humans probably have some impact on climate, but that there is no definitive data that shows exactly how much is related to human activity and how much is natural causes...Therefore it is unknown how much government intervention is necessary... Climate has always been changing, even long before humans were ever around...So, to say that “climate change” is man made isn’t really a logical statement...the key is figure how much human activity contributes to climate change...and I’m not sure that is possible...but I could be wrong... Edited February 8, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Not necessarily... I understand your concern, but I always try to put myself in the shoes of people on both sides...So let’s examine this particular situation that you describe. I think that most of those who take issue with climate change policy can probably be put into 1 of 2 categories... 1. The first category is the most obvious- people that don’t understand the science, or simply don’t care, or are just skeptical of big government, so they just deny there is any connection between humans and the environment... 2. The second category Is probably more important than the first, but doesn’t get talked about because it is, likely, easier for people to lump everyone into category 1 for political purposes...this category includes people who believe that humans probably have some impact on climate, but that there is no definitive data that shows exactly how much is related to human activity and how much is natural causes...Therefore it is unknown how much government intervention is necessary... Climate has always been changing, even long before humans were ever around...So, to say that “climate change” is man made isn’t really a logical statement...the key is figure how much human activity contributes to climate change...and I’m not sure that is possible...but I could be wrong... We are changing the climate. Yes, it changes on its own, also. There are people --Exxon-- that totally understand the issue but lie about it. Extremists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We are changing the climate. Yes, it changes on its own, also. There are people --Exxon-- that totally understand the issue but lie about it. Extremists? I would agree, that people are probably changing the climate to some extent...I liken automobile emissions to smoking cigarettes...if smoking isn’t good for you, than auto emissions probably aren’t good for the environment either... So, is it wrong for Exxon to lie about human culpability in influencing climate change, if the data shows some sort of correlation? Absolutely! But the term “extremist” is completely subjective, especially in this instance, since it can’t be proven just how much humans alter the climate, on their own imho... Furthermore, if a lie is all it takes for someone to be an extremist, then the whole planet is full of 8 billion extremists...and if that’s the case, then what meaning does the word “extremist” really have? Edited February 8, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 they should be removed from air immediately. There’s no place in this country for that kind of biased journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 18 hours ago, RiotAct said: they should be removed from air immediately. There’s no place in this country for that kind of biased journalism. all for removing biased journalism. This would be a fantastic positive step for mankind, and for this country in particular. Imagine if the news became just the news and not mouthpieces for their respective parties Who would remain though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tenhigh Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 10:29 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: all for removing biased journalism. This would be a fantastic positive step for mankind, and for this country in particular. Imagine if the news became just the news and not mouthpieces for their respective parties Who would remain though? There wouldn't be much to talk about. 24HR news would be gone, and that would be a breath of fresh air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 44 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: There wouldn't be much to talk about. 24HR news would be gone, and that would be a breath of fresh air. It’s actually pretty interesting when you think about it. Before Fox nobody watched the news at all, except to get the weather report, a late sports score, or some update on a war in a distant land somewhere. CNN was just background noise in the airport. These (for profit) companies have done an excellent job of gluing eyeballs to screens, and now we have ordinary people discussing, arguing, and ranting about issues they didn’t give a rats arse about just a few years ago. Pure marketing genius! The result: everyone pissed off, multiple impeachment trials, riots in the streets, ‘insurrection’, and an utterly divided nation. Brilliant! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 ....meanwhile ....Cnn is still the angry National Enquirer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Unforgiven said: ....meanwhile ....Cnn is still the angry National Enquirer Millionaires representing billionaires... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 America FIRST; except when there is a Democratic President standing up to Putin. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, BillStime said: America FIRST; except when there is a Democratic President standing up to Putin. Pathetic. You really didn’t know Fox News is opposed to the Democratic Party and spins manipulates editorializes everything accordingly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Funny, ( not the ha-ha funny) what put CNN on the map was the plane crash in the Potomac abd they couldn't show it in airports ( if they were in airports yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Fox News becomes even less recognizable as "News" 100%...particularly on the internet version - they are pushing leftist propaganda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: Fox News becomes even less recognizable as "News" 100%...particularly on the internet version - they are pushing leftist propaganda... Leftist?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoCal Deek Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 8 hours ago, BillStime said: Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I mean, yea.. Fox News is right propaganda. Doesn’t everyone know this by now? That being said, it’s hard for me to take criticisms of the network seriously when pointed out by those who get their news from opposing propaganda wings and grifters. On 2/7/2021 at 9:04 AM, BillStime said: Definition of a snowflake: Those who rioted on 1/6 were not “domestic terrorists”. Any reasonable person knows that by now. Yet many are being held without bail by the Feds. That’s the un-American piece to the story. Even Elizabeth Warren, to her credit, has spoken out about this. Yet here we are, with people who feared Nazi Fascism under Trump out here praising the modern day Stasi’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: I mean, yea.. Fox News is right propaganda. Doesn’t everyone know this by now? That being said, it’s hard for me to take criticisms of the network seriously when pointed out by those who get their news from opposing propaganda wings and grifters. Those who rioted on 1/6 were not “domestic terrorists”. Any reasonable person knows that by now. Yet many are being held without bail by the Feds. That’s the un-American piece to the story. Even Elizabeth Warren, to her credit, has spoken out about this. Yet here we are, with people who feared Nazi Fascism under Trump out here praising the modern day Stasi’s. Domestic Terrorist... Seditionists... that's exactly what they were. What would you call them? What was the end goal of 1/6? Why are you downplaying and trying to re-write history? It was broadcast on TV for the world to see. This was not a impromptu event. The Trump administration and campaign planned every aspect of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, BillStime said: Domestic Terrorist... Seditionists... that's exactly what they were. What would you call them? What was the end goal of 1/6? Why are you downplaying and trying to re-write history? It was broadcast on TV for the world to see. This was not a impromptu event. The Trump administration and campaign planned every aspect of the day. Go research, literally, any legitimate uprising in other countries and compare to 1/6. You’re simply repeating words and phrases taught to you by CNN/MSNBC. It was a riot. A black eye for America, absolutely. But just like they manipulated you with lies about Officer Sicknick, they are manipulating you with lies about what truly happened that day. Edited April 25, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) On 2/26/2021 at 8:27 AM, SoCal Deek said: It’s actually pretty interesting when you think about it. Before Fox nobody watched the news at all, except to get the weather report, a late sports score, or some update on a war in a distant land somewhere. CNN was just background noise in the airport. These (for profit) companies have done an excellent job of gluing eyeballs to screens, and now we have ordinary people discussing, arguing, and ranting about issues they didn’t give a rats arse about just a few years ago. Pure marketing genius! The result: everyone pissed off, multiple impeachment trials, riots in the streets, ‘insurrection’, and an utterly divided nation. Brilliant! I’ve been watching the news since I was 3 years old. I used to watch Jimmy Carter speak and my mother would always say what a nice man he was, but not a great president. I’ve seen every major speech all the way until Trump. He was an absolutely dreadful speaker. That’s when my streak ended. As a family we watched the local and national news every evening during dinner. I started watching cable news regularly around 1991 or so. I also had CSPAN and Washington Journal on pretty often before school. Edited April 25, 2021 by The Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 2:29 PM, WideNine said: I do think "conspiracy" is too grand for what Trump's campaign did. Opportunistic without a care in the world regarding campaign regulations and laws would be more fitting. If some of the most strident doubters here would just read the bipartisan Senate Intelligence report rather than just taking the twisted cliff notes of Ted Cruz, they would be better informed. Many on the outgoing staff of Obama were concerned that Trump's campaign just were not taking seriously their exposure and interactions with Russian contacts. This is reflected in the report as a bit of an excuse. That their inexperience made them more susceptible to doing something stupid like coordinating with Russia's attempts to influence the election. Does not take a conspiracy, just those that think the laws do not apply to them and a hefty amount of ignorance and ego. Handing Russian Intel polling data of specific states that Trump was behind and had to win was taking it to a different level. They got caught. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) On 1/26/2021 at 1:20 PM, The Frankish Reich said: You knew it was gonna happen: presenting your newest Fox News insider analyst! Basically her same old job, better pay. Maybe they'll even give her the "leg chair" - that oughta be worth a little bonus. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kayleigh-mcenany-likely-to-join-fox-news-because-of-course Trump killed a lot of young careers. The number could be in the hundreds. No future WH or respectable campaign is ever going to hire any of these folks. Damaged goods. News is their only option now. The right’s last Hail Mary, the fake Hunter Biden stuff, really hurt both Fox and Trump. No one wanted to here from either one of them after that. That’s when people just turned it off. All that was left were the extremists. Edited April 25, 2021 by The Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 4 hours ago, The Governor said: Trump killed a lot of young careers. The number could be in the hundreds. No future WH or respectable campaign is ever going to hire any of these folks. Damaged goods. News is their only option now. The right’s last Hail Mary, the fake Hunter Biden stuff, really hurt both Fox and Trump. No one wanted to here from either one of them after that. That’s when people just turned it off. All that was left were the extremists. I’m honestly dying to hear what part of the Hunter Biden ‘stuff’ you felt was fake? There were/are many chapters to that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 5 hours ago, The Governor said: I’ve been watching the news since I was 3 years old. I used to watch Jimmy Carter speak and my mother would always say what a nice man he was, but not a great president. I’ve seen every major speech all the way until Trump. He was an absolutely dreadful speaker. That’s when my streak ended. As a family we watched the local and national news every evening during dinner. I started watching cable news regularly around 1991 or so. I also had CSPAN and Washington Journal on pretty often before school. Same with my family. And we read three newspapers a day, Courier Express, Buffalo Evening News, and Tonawanda News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 9 hours ago, SCBills said: Go research, literally, any legitimate uprising in other countries and compare to 1/6. You’re simply repeating words and phrases taught to you by CNN/MSNBC. It was a riot. A black eye for America, absolutely. But just like they manipulated you with lies about Officer Sicknick, they are manipulating you with lies about what truly happened that day. Another non answer - what was the desired outcome of 1/6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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