Jets forum...so low....

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Anyone know who has the tiebreaker between the Jets and Jaguars? If the Jets would get 2nd overall and it comes down to that last game, I wouldn’t put it past Bill to actually give the Jets a chance to win. 

 

draft tie breaker is strength  of schedule.  The weak one gets the higher pick.

 

one year Miami was ahead of buffalo in standings with same record, but drafted before because of weaker strength of schedule

stregth is same as total opponents wins.

 

jets  

 

AE  24 x2=48

AW 28 

NW  30 

ind 9 

Cle 9 *

 

124

 

Jags

 AS 22x2=44

AN  30.5 *

NN 27 

Mia 8

LAC 4

 

114

 

cle can change based on tonight’s game but since they play within division a certain aw comes out in division so AN total is pist Monday’s game.

 

In general divisional games just add 1.  The only changes that can occur in week 17 are the 2 non common opponents.

 

 

[TroutDog]

17 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

That was Greg Bell.  Cribbs was gone by then. 

Ah yes, you are correct. Funny how an old brain works. 😃 

[Doc Brown]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned a possible OBJ trade in there.

[sullim4]

3 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Biggest Gase fan of all time, trust me, he thinks Gase is the next greatest thing.

 

There's a real judge of talent.  An avatar with Herm, Kotite, Coslet, and Joe Walton.

 

As bad as it is right now Jets fans, it is hard to believe it's worse now than it was with Rich Kotite.

[purple haze]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Ha...there was no internet when Vince Ferragamo was taking snaps for the Bills.  I can only imagine how this board would be if they had back to back 2-14 seasons in the social media era.

Or Bruce Mathison.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, sullim4 said:

 

There's a real judge of talent.  An avatar with Herm, Kotite, Coslet, and Joe Walton.

 

As bad as it is right now Jets fans, it is hard to believe it's worse now than it was with Rich Kotite.

Kotite seemed to always have that 'what just happened?' look on his face.  The current ringmaster has that ammonia inhalant gaze (Gase gaze?) that implies he's zoned out.

[wagon127]

Arent the sabres, the NY Jets of the NHL? 

Edited December 15, 2020 by wagon127

[May Day 10]

I have browsed around there the last few weeks.  I find it interesting, because I recall leading up to the opener last season, how 100% certain nearly everyone there was that Darnold was way ahead of Allen and was sure to be onto bigger and better things.  I was confused as to how they could be sure, at that point it looked maybe 50/50.

 

I like the banter about how amazing Allen is, it inflates my fan-ego.  I have to say a lot of them have a generally good and realistic view.  I do feel a bit bad for them.  Although I typically hate NYC teams, Jets fans have had it pretty rough for a long time.

 

Many though think.... that a 1st pick QB is a magic pill that fixes everything, along with cap space to spend on shiny toys.  That is not true.  The QB is important (but this day and age seems to be fairly common).  The most important thing is the football CEO who is generally the coach, who works with a savvy GM.  Need to get decent starters in the draft, and need to find decent but not all that splashy FA signings.  Maybe can swing for the fences if an opportunity arises like the Bills did with Diggs and Cardinals with Hopkins.  The environment for the QB is just as important as the QB, and a crummy environment will ruin any QB.   The turnaround only needs to take a couple years if done correctly.

 

[Greg S]

14 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

My big GREEN fear is Daboll in NJ with Trevor. 

 

He would be better off in LA with Herbert. Plus they have other talented players to work with. Its not a total lost cause.

[dma0034]

3 hours ago, wagon127 said:

Arent the sabres, the NY Jets of the NHL? 

 

The Sabres are the drought Bills of the NHL. If they don't make the playoffs next season they will own the longest postseason drought of all time

[Billzgobowlin]

1 minute ago, dma0034 said:

 

The Sabres are the drought Bills of the NHL. If they don't make the playoffs next season they will own the longest postseason drought of all time

Is that right?  Seems like they were in the playoffs 10 years ago..... maybe just wishful thinking

13 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I have browsed around there the last few weeks.  I find it interesting, because I recall leading up to the opener last season, how 100% certain nearly everyone there was that Darnold was way ahead of Allen and was sure to be onto bigger and better things.  I was confused as to how they could be sure, at that point it looked maybe 50/50.

 

I like the banter about how amazing Allen is, it inflates my fan-ego.  I have to say a lot of them have a generally good and realistic view.  I do feel a bit bad for them.  Although I typically hate NYC teams, Jets fans have had it pretty rough for a long time.

 

Many though think.... that a 1st pick QB is a magic pill that fixes everything, along with cap space to spend on shiny toys.  That is not true.  The QB is important (but this day and age seems to be fairly common).  The most important thing is the football CEO who is generally the coach, who works with a savvy GM.  Need to get decent starters in the draft, and need to find decent but not all that splashy FA signings.  Maybe can swing for the fences if an opportunity arises like the Bills did with Diggs and Cardinals with Hopkins.  The environment for the QB is just as important as the QB, and a crummy environment will ruin any QB.   The turnaround only needs to take a couple years if done correctly.

 

Especially if so called qb pick would rather stay at school than play for your team lol

[Greg S]

46 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

The Sabres are the drought Bills of the NHL. If they don't make the playoffs next season they will own the longest postseason drought of all time

 

The Pegula's need to find their Beane/McDermott of the NHL. They are doing so well with the Bills and yet so poorly with the Sabres.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

51 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

He would be better off in LA with Herbert. Plus they have other talented players to work with. Its not a total lost cause.

The lustre might be off anyone connected with Buffalo, after 'stumbling bumbling Anthony Lynn' has muddled his way through the last couple years.

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

He would be better off in LA with Herbert. Plus they have other talented players to work with. Its not a total lost cause.

 

The Beane-McD-Frazier-Daboll-Farwell Branch of the Andy Reid coaching tree has built a playoff contender out of a laughingstock with Pegs help. If Daboll leaves for his shot at being the big guy, that's that, so long as Pegs let's him name his price and gets turned down first.

[Buffalophil1948]

I kinda feel for every delusional dumba$$ over there. We have been there. It is also fantastic that this board isn't filled with a 1000 posts of what draft picks we need to get, before Christmas. Now with 3 weeks left of the regular season we are focusing on playoff seeding. I could get used to this . 

Viva Los BILLS, baby!

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

The Beane-McD-Frazier-Daboll-Farwell Branch of the Andy Reid coaching tree has built a playoff contender out of a laughingstock with Pegs help. If Daboll leaves for his shot at being the big guy, that's that, so long as Pegs let's him name his price and gets turned down first.

 

I think there is a very good chance Daboll leaves. You know the league has taken notice of the job he has done with the Bills especially helping Allen become the player that he is today. I just hope he doesn't go to NY and get to work with Lawrence.

[foreboding]

17 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

I think there is a very good chance Daboll leaves. You know the league has taken notice of the job he has done with the Bills especially helping Allen become the player that he is today. I just hope he doesn't go to NY and get to work with Lawrence.

Seriously.

But one would hope that NYC is not really a great place for Daboll and his huge family, he seems a small-town guy. But it the Northeast  is where his extended family live. LA is far, but would be a nice place to land with some good talent, Daboll would turn that program around immediately. Where else might he land? Houston? I doubt Pederson gets fired or that would be a decent spot for him.

Any chance is he not interested in being the top guy? Maybe he will take 2 mill a year and stay?!?

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Seriously.

But one would hope that NYC is not really a great place for Daboll and his huge family, he seems a small-town guy. But it the Northeast  is where his extended family live. LA is far, but would be a nice place to land with some good talent, Daboll would turn that program around immediately. Where else might he land? Houston? I doubt Pederson gets fired or that would be a decent spot for him.

Any chance is he not interested in being the top guy? Maybe he will take 2 mill a year and stay?!?

 

Trying to think of other teams that could be looking for a HC...Jacksonville, Philly, Chicago. Have to wait and see who gets fired.

[RoyBatty is alive]

17 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

They also think BB is going to tank the last game to prevent them getting Lawrence...

 

Paranoia running deep...

 

https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/week-17-very-well-could-kill-any-chance-at-trevor-lawrence.94812/

 

that was some loudmouth football expert i head on the radio go on and on about, said watch Belichek start Stidham last two games of the year so it isnt obvious he is trying to screw the Jets.  He said how would you like to be the Pats to face Josh Allen, Tua and Lawrence in your conference for the next 10 years.

[buffaloboyinATL]

18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

They also think BB is going to tank the last game to prevent them getting Lawrence...

 

 

Oh man! that would be so awesome!  All I can say is if they get Lawrence, I really hope they keep Gase, so that he never reaches his true potential.  (I like Lawrence, but I dislike the Jets more)

[Meatloaf63]

17 hours ago, Bleedingreennc said:

Does this surprise anyone? This forum would be low as well. JuJu would not be my first choice, Robinson would be. And players play for money, if a team is willing to pay out the arse then they will play for them. If i were you i would focus on how well your team is playing and stop focusing on a team that is the worst in history.

Do you have prove of that? Link please. 

Biggest Gase fan of all time, trust me, he thinks Gase is the next greatest thing.

Now the NFL needs to institute a lottery? Because the Jets suck? I guess people didnt want that after the Colts sucked for Luck? We had a coach that made a terrible play call but he has always been aggressive. They played hard against the Raiders and had that game won. But we need a lottery now because of this.....

I wanted a lottery after the Colts, actually during the season, you could tell they were tanking, thought it was bs.

[TBBills Fan]

18 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

If Belichik thinks Lawrence is that good, he will absolutely find a way to lose that last game to the Jets.  Past time that NFL institutes a draft lottery.  

 

this would be one time Id applaud Hoodie for his ability to really walk that fine line.....

 

Do it!  That would be epic

[billsfan89]

The Jets aren't in the worst position to rebuild if they get Lawrence. They have Seattle's first round pick this year and next year which should help any team rebuild, they have Darnold who they could flip for I would say at least a 2nd round pick which can help add a piece, and they have a lot of cap space. The issue with the Jets would be that they would need to fire their GM and coach and execute a singular vision for the team. They need to follow the blueprint that the Bills did with McBeane. Granted the Bills had Whaley in for a few months, but I think McD sold himself as needing the call on who the next GM would be. 

 

Overall I think the Jets like most teams that will be drafting number one overall simply in need to do a proper 3 year rebuild with a GM and coach brought in together. If they can get the QB and coach right that's 70% of the battle right there. 

[Greg S]

9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The Jets aren't in the worst position to rebuild if they get Lawrence. They have Seattle's first round pick this year and next year which should help any team rebuild, they have Darnold who they could flip for I would say at least a 2nd round pick which can help add a piece, and they have a lot of cap space. The issue with the Jets would be that they would need to fire their GM and coach and execute a singular vision for the team. They need to follow the blueprint that the Bills did with McBeane. Granted the Bills had Whaley in for a few months, but I think McD sold himself as needing the call on who the next GM would be. 

 

Overall I think the Jets like most teams that will be drafting number one overall simply in need to do a proper 3 year rebuild with a GM and coach brought in together. If they can get the QB and coach right that's 70% of the battle right there. 

 

GM Joe Douglas has a 6 year contract. He isn't going anywhere. Gase will definitely take the fall for this season. JD will get to pick his own HC assuming the Johnson's don't interfere.

[billsfan89]

21 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

GM Joe Douglas has a 6 year contract. He isn't going anywhere. Gase will definitely take the fall for this season. JD will get to pick his own HC assuming the Johnson's don't interfere.

 

I would scrap Douglas and start fresh. But fortunately I think you are correct and Douglas selects the coach. 

[May Day 10]

4 hours ago, dma0034 said:

 

The Sabres are the drought Bills of the NHL. If they don't make the playoffs next season they will own the longest postseason drought of all time

 

 

The Sabres have been much worse than the drought-era Bills IMO.  

 

At least the Bills were somewhat mediocre most of the time and would actually provide for some hope and entertainment.  Even if it was fruitless, eternal, in-the-hunt dreams.  Other than the Mike Williams and Darius seasons, they never really bottomed out, and never finished worst in the NFL.  

 

The Sabres have been plain bad.  Like worst-in-the league for large stretches of the time, included full seasons buried as worst in the league.  The NHL has >50% of its teams qualify for the playoffs and the Sabres have barely had a sniff past New Year's in any of these seasons.  

 

Add in the things that get rubbed in our faces like OReilly winning the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe and Lehner becoming a top goalie and Vezina Candidate.  They are a really tough team to root for

[WideNine]

Tis the season, and reading the OP I thought, those poor kids in Sombertown...

 

Good to be a Buffalo Bills fan watching good football being played by a good team in meaningful games late in the season.

 

Can empathize a bit, but we've been there done that. Our "bad weather" fan dues are paid up for a few decades worth of positive karma.

 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

 

The Sabres have been much worse than the drought-era Bills IMO.  

 

At least the Bills were somewhat mediocre most of the time and would actually provide for some hope and entertainment.  Even if it was fruitless, eternal, in-the-hunt dreams.  Other than the Mike Williams and Darius seasons, they never really bottomed out, and never finished worst in the NFL.  

 

The Sabres have been plain bad.  Like worst-in-the league for large stretches of the time, included full seasons buried as worst in the league.  The NHL has >50% of its teams qualify for the playoffs and the Sabres have barely had a sniff past New Year's in any of these seasons.  

 

Add in the things that get rubbed in our faces like OReilly winning the Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe and Lehner becoming a top goalie and Vezina Candidate.  They are a really tough team to root for

 

It's rare that a single player elevates a football franchise.  Stafford was picked #1 and they are 0-3 in the playoffs over his 12 seasons.  Jared Goff and Wentz helped their teams get to super bowls, but neither was a tank worthy player.  Burrow seems like he'll be a good/great player, but he didn't necessarily flip and put that team over the hump.

Mahomes went 10.  Watson went 12.  Allen 7.  Wilson was in the 3rd.  

 

I disagree on a draft lottery.  If you go 0-16, its so difficult to flip that into 13-3.  Probably takes 2 or 3 seasons to even sniff playoffs.  By that point your qb just became incredibly expensive, and now you're forced to somewhat dismantle what you built.  Not to mention, QBs with unparalleled ability flame out.  

 

In hockey, or basketball - if you have unparalleled ability, you control the puck/ball.  You can succeed all on your own.  A qb needs weapons, an offensive line, and a coach to make it all come together. 

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I would scrap Douglas and start fresh. But fortunately I think you are correct and Douglas selects the coach. 

Totally agree.   I keep hearing how good Douglas is but he had money and draft picks this offseason and blew them both.   It would be different if they were 4-11, but my goodness they are 0-13, you dont get that stink off of you.

[May Day 10]

51 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

It's rare that a single player elevates a football franchise.  Stafford was picked #1 and they are 0-3 in the playoffs over his 12 seasons.  Jared Goff and Wentz helped their teams get to super bowls, but neither was a tank worthy player.  Burrow seems like he'll be a good/great player, but he didn't necessarily flip and put that team over the hump.

Mahomes went 10.  Watson went 12.  Allen 7.  Wilson was in the 3rd.  

 

I disagree on a draft lottery.  If you go 0-16, its so difficult to flip that into 13-3.  Probably takes 2 or 3 seasons to even sniff playoffs.  By that point your qb just became incredibly expensive, and now you're forced to somewhat dismantle what you built.  Not to mention, QBs with unparalleled ability flame out.  

 

In hockey, or basketball - if you have unparalleled ability, you control the puck/ball.  You can succeed all on your own.  A qb needs weapons, an offensive line, and a coach to make it all come together. 

 

Im not a big fan of the lottery either, and that goes for hockey too.  IMO I think NBA has the most need for it because it seems that it is completely predictable, and it seems so easy just to overhaul a roster/team overnight.  

 

In the NHL and NFL, you have to cut deep to get to #1.  That is a huge risk and likely stunts your team's growth potential.  The Bills wouldn't be where they are today if they weren't scrappy in their transition years of 2017 and 2018.  This is true with the Dolphins as well.  The #1 pick is also a risky proposition.  Andrew Luck battled injury and then just decided to retire.  Lots of #1 picks dont end up as good as the #5, 7, or 10 picks who are selected on a team with a better infrastructure.  I'm sure NFL players really wouldn't like being on a tanking team as they are putting their health on the line and are made to look bad in their short career earning window.  

And lastly, fans of a team like the Jets really need a light at the end of the tunnel.  How awful would it be for them if they got screwed by some cloak and dagger lottery and ended up picking 4th or something.  That also opens the door for conspiracy feelings that do not sit well with fans.

 

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Totally agree.   I keep hearing how good Douglas is but he had money and draft picks this offseason and blew them both.   It would be different if they were 4-11, but my goodness they are 0-13, you dont get that stink off of you.

 

I liked Douglas's approach to the 2020 off-season philosophically. He went for depth and avoiding weak spots over big top heavy signings. But his more expensive singings have ranged from average (Fant) to underwhelming (McGovern) and his more low key singings like Van Rotten and Andrews have been busts. The only good thing that you can say about Douglas was that his signings are easy to get out of and won't tie down the Jets long term and that he drafted Becton who looks to be a really good talent at LT. 

 

Douglas's first draft class looks like ass outside of Becton, his free agency crop was a bust and I just don't see why you would have faith in the guy to install a new coach and get a new draft class and free agency class to help out a new QB. Just scrap it all and start over with a new QB and a good LT. 

Edited December 15, 2020 by billsfan89

[Punching Bag]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well......we do get our share of visiting-team trolls but something just seems to happen 🤷‍♂️

 

Yes some become "Bills are my 2nd team now" and more Bills fans than some of the natives.