Heavy Kevi Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Watching Davis' (non)TD today, and the announcers talking about McD's abysmal challenge ratio, I got to thinking. Should McDermott hire a person who's job is only to be the Challenge Specialist? This person would basically tell McD when to challenge, and when not to. Does this position exist already (in Buffalo or somewhere else), and if not why? To me a leader recognizes his weaknesses and delegates those tasks. Clearly knowing when to challenge is a weak spot for McD, and turning around his challenge ratio would be huge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I don’t know if a challenge is worth it there it’s first and goal from the one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: I don’t know if a challenge is worth it there it’s first and goal from the one. It’s always worth it on a scoring play. Not challenging cost them 4 points. That being said, I feel like there should be someone in NY that sees that immediately and calls in and says TD. I don’t know why this doesn’t happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Every team employs someone in this role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, r00tabaga said: I don’t know if a challenge is worth it there it’s first and goal from the one. And that's the argument for not challenging. The Bills also went hurry up to prevent the 'bags from substituting, so the coaching staff had little time to review the replay. Unfortunately Dabollocks called two very bad plays. The first play should have been the QB sneak. Instead we went backwards and settled for the FG rather than going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: Every team employs someone in this role We need a change then 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 If the challenge especialist doesn't have enough camera angles to look at plays, the job would be irrelevant. On that Davis TD, Davis himself should have been the one asking McD to throw the red flag. I liked that McD called out the refs on that illegal formation they missed on one of the TD drives. Can't believe they didn't call that penalty.l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I believe the Davis TD was too risky to challenge. We couldn’t lose the TO, and odds were really good we could punch it in. Hindsight is 20-20. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted November 9, 2020 Author Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: We need a change then Yes I would agree- if we have one, he or she needs to be replaced. 11 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: It’s always worth it on a scoring play. Not challenging cost them 4 points. That being said, I feel like there should be someone in NY that sees that immediately and calls in and says TD. I don’t know why this doesn’t happen. Sure, but it was NY who gave Knox's catch to the DB as an INT 🤷 It was clear and obvious Davis' foot didn't go OOB, but it was also clear that simultaneous catch goes to the receiver, so... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I think the Bills do have someone for that role. It was weird, we never got any kind of replay on TV and Davis didn’t really gesture like he was close so is it possible that it just flew under the radar. On TV, we didn’t even hear it was close until after the commercial break when they showed the relay. Brock Huard said that McDermott was gunshy because of his poor record with challenges and didnt want to risk losing a TO in what could have been a close game. I hope that wasn’t the case. it would be a good question to ask McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: Watching Davis' (non)TD today, and the announcers talking about McD's abysmal challenge ratio, I got to thinking. Should McDermott hire a person who's job is only to be the Challenge Specialist? This person would basically tell McD when to challenge, and when not to. Does this position exist already (in Buffalo or somewhere else), and if not why? To me a leader recognizes his weaknesses and delegates those tasks. Clearly knowing when to challenge is a weak spot for McD, and turning around his challenge ratio would be huge. Well even the TV crew had no idea until it was too late. If Fox can't get a replay up quick enough, how are you supposed to know? Bills don't have a private video feed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just now, JohnNord said: I think the Bills do have someone for that role. It was weird, we never got any kind of replay on TV and Davis didn’t really gesture like he was close so is it possible that it just flew under the radar. On TV, we didn’t even hear it was close until after the commercial break when they showed the relay. Brock Huard said that McDermott was gunshy because of his poor record with challenges and didnt want to risk losing a TO in what could have been a close game. I hope that wasn’t the case. it would be a good question to ask McDermott Agreed - they have someone in that role, but as Davis never acted like it was a TD - I doubt that they scoured looking for replays. Typically the player starts the process by making some kind of act like you scored or for a catch/Int - you signal to the coach. Then the coach gets the guy on the head set trying to find out if they have an angle because that is the key. McDermott ha been burned several times on challenges that look good and the NFL has stuck to the ruling on the field. My guess is they had that same feeling with that play. His feet were in bounds, but the camera angle was from behind and to the side not down the line and Davis did not appear to significantly reach the ball inside the pylon. My understanding from the off season is they have both a guy looking at the play and an analytics guy to work that function. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Agree. The TV crew had the benefit of time to look at it. I think it was 50:50 call. Might have been on 1 ft line. Hard to bust McClappy on that one🤷🏻♂️ Edited November 9, 2020 by QLBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 After they refused to say Brown scored a TD against the Raiders, I doubt he would have won this challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: Watching Davis' (non)TD today, and the announcers talking about McD's abysmal challenge ratio, I got to thinking. Should McDermott hire a person who's job is only to be the Challenge Specialist? This person would basically tell McD when to challenge, and when not to. Does this position exist already (in Buffalo or somewhere else), and if not why? To me a leader recognizes his weaknesses and delegates those tasks. Clearly knowing when to challenge is a weak spot for McD, and turning around his challenge ratio would be huge. Ok I will do it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 50 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Every team employs someone in this role How in the fudge are my drunk friends better at making these judgement calls. We all said and saw the same thing. The guy in the booth would ATLEAST have access to the normal game stream. Which was pretty freaking obvious. Hopefully somehow this serves as a wakeup call to these guys. Inexcusable really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: How in the fudge are my drunk friends better at making these judgement calls. We all said and saw the same thing. The guy in the booth would ATLEAST have access to the normal game stream. Which was pretty freaking obvious. Hopefully somehow this serves as a wakeup call to these guys. Inexcusable really I mean part of it is you have absolutely no idea what the referees are going to come up with as an answer. Nothing is clear. We could’ve challenged the play today and the call could’ve been a TD. Next week we’d challenge the same call and it would be out at the 1. It’s so inconsistent. It has nothing to do with what they think, it starts to become what do the refs think. I’m sure they felt 1st and Goal at the 2 wasn’t worth potentially losing a challenge and timeout at that point in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Correct me if I'm wrong, bu they never showed the view of Davis feet until after they had already kicked the field goal. Generally what the views they show on TV are the same as the ones in the stadium and in any coaches booth. The coaches don't have some magical access to call up camera angles at their request, it's all on the TV broadcast to show the other views. There was also no recognition by Davis that "Hey I scored" which isn't surprising as a receiver is going to be looking down at his own feet in a situation like that and to know I kept my heal off the ground. At that point all he was looking at was the flag. As was also pointed out the Bills were in hurry up mode at that point as they wanted to run two bad play calls quickly. If that hadn't been the case, maybe the replay from that angle would have been shown right away. There certainly have been legit times to criticize McD for his challenges, but this time without showing a camera angle, can't see how he's at fault here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) need to bring back the guy on the right Edited November 9, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said: Watching Davis' (non)TD today, and the announcers talking about McD's abysmal challenge ratio, I got to thinking. Should McDermott hire a person who's job is only to be the Challenge Specialist? This person would basically tell McD when to challenge, and when not to. Does this position exist already (in Buffalo or somewhere else), and if not why? To me a leader recognizes his weaknesses and delegates those tasks. Clearly knowing when to challenge is a weak spot for McD, and turning around his challenge ratio would be huge. Not one person posted until after the replay about it. What we need are Refs that don't suck at their jobs. Just now, Mr. WEO said: need to bring back the guy on the right Why b.c he is good at picking his nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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